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east front OOB editor - 2/24/2017 12:43:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm having problems with some of the nations.....in certain years they are missing sub units but when i go to a different year they are there but will be missing different sub units. i never had this problem. i even did a fresh installation and it still does it.


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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/7/2017 2:06:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		If a nation was not any longer in the fighting in "year XX" their subunits will not show up- thus you will find no Polish subunits after date Okt 39, for example, except units which may fight under Polish flag in some other times.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/7/2017 4:16:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		i totally understand, but that's not the case. this photograph will explain everything. it will have this type of error in a few of the countries i wanted to use. this is the russians it has only 3 errors like this. 3 of the division is missing that heavy gun rvgk bm (152mm Heavy) tank corp b (division) and d (division) [lend lease].






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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 8:59:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will look at ths later today when I can use my laptop... I seem to recall having a few strange errors like this before, and that the problem ended to be simple, perhaps when I open it up will "come back to me".

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 9:06:48 AM   
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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 9:23:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I want to think that there was a problem with a single missing file that caused many "weird issues" like this with mine before, and that it was related to patching incorrectly... ie. patching 2.02 over an older version than 2.01, because the updates were not "cumulative" but had to be done in an order... but I will probably remember it more clearly when I can open the game up at home.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 10:18:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		What is the date you are trying to have a look at? Also: which formation do you open?

Let me see if I can recreate the error. Looks like a data error in one of the OOB files.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 3:00:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		i actually have all the updates downloaded....1.03 - 2.02. i install them in order.

russia from april - october 1942 [campaign divisions]
hungary july 1943, june-august 1944 the 3rd army is missing from those dates [army level]

these ones are from all - Forgotten Battles 2.0 mod. i dont know if you guys work on that.

romania july 1941 - august 1944 [company level]
Slovakia oct 1939 - December 1940 [company level]

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 4:36:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Right you are. With JTCS 2.02 I was able to recreate the errors. I then compared to JTCS 1.04 which I also have on my desk. Russian data bug as above does not reveal itself. For Hungary there's no 3rd Army at all, so no error either.

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I'm having problems with some of the nations.....in certain years they are missing sub units but when i go to a different year they are there but will be missing different sub units. i never had this problem. i even did a fresh installation and it still does it.

thanks for any help in advance

Robert


Well the thing is, you need to open the exact formation that has the error, at the time the error happens, to witness it. These are notoriously difficult things to readproof

I checked the Org Editor error log, which should report all missing units. It is hush on these ones, so those were never spotted by manual testing, or having the Org Editor run its internal testing.

Regarding your comment on updates: updates are all cumulative ie a newer one always includes everything from an earlier one as well. So if you want to install 2.02, you only need to install the base game (my CD has JTCS 1.01), then install the one update level you want to have.

I have all three versions on my disk: 1.01, 1.04 and 2.02, for comparison.


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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 4:43:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		i understand. would that fix the russian bug?

these are the formations, but i couldnt find them in the oob file

tank corp - a (division)
tank corp - b (division)
tank corp - d (division) [lend lease]

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 5:02:41 PM   
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i understand. would that fix the russian bug?

these are the formations, but i couldnt find them in the oob file

tank corp - a (division)
tank corp - b (division)
tank corp - d (division) [lend lease]


What are you working with that caused you these errors? Do you want to create a new OOB for a new scenario? You could create a new OoB with 1.04, and it would be possible to use that with 2.02 scenario editor. If scenario design was what you were at, of course.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 5:05:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		i was looking through the org editor and to see what i wanted to use for a oob and i ran into that error.

i'll figure something out. i thought there would be some way to fix it, but if it can't be fix. i will figure something out and use a different unit.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 5:19:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh it could be fixed, if the exact missing subunit can be identified. It just takes time to do so. If you can spot the exact sub unit that is missing, that would be a help.

According to error message you posted one of the corps sub units would be missing, ie. the numeroc ID field that points to a lower org does not exist in that particular level. It could be any subunit the particular corps lists.

It cannot be found with editor itself, one would need to open all Russian oob files with Notepad or sonething similar and compare them side by side.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 5:21:10 PM   
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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 5:42:09 PM   
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i would like to help,

how would i compare?

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 6:08:26 PM   
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its ok.

i would like to help,

how would i compare?


Well I started to look, and was going to post you need to check each ID the higher echelon refers to lower echelon units must exit. I looked, they all existed




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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 6:11:47 PM   
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Well I started to look, and was going to post you need to check each ID the higher echelon refers to lower echelon units must exit. I looked, they all existed



So no obvious error. Then I checked the dates match, so the time span the higher echelon expects to find the lower echelon would match. Therein was the bug. The actual Regimental 155mm Battery became available 11/42, while the Division expects to find it already as of 04/42.

The error would occur when trying this out before 11/42, but not after it.

I don't know which date is wrong at this stage, I'd need to have the Soviet formation data available. But there was the error. Probably something similar with Hungary and Romania. If you could hunt those down that would be great. Meanwhile, I will try to figure out how to set up this properly...





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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 6:32:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		would it matter if Romania has those errors only if i use all - Forgotten Battles 2.0 mod, would it be able to be fixed?

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 6:40:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you mean would Forgotten Battles scenarios work even with these ORg errors, yes they work. Just enablethe mod and play any scenario.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 6:51:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		ok. i will go through romania and see whats the problem

the soviet side doesnt have that problem at all, but i dont know if they have that formation with the heavy gun rvgk (152mm)

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 7:03:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Changing that highlighted '42 04 46 12' to '42 11 46 12' in Division00.oob would likely fix the Russian error.

Edit: there's three references iirc.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 7:09:06 PM   
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and

i will try that out with Romania, Hungary and Slovakia

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 7:14:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for reporting this, good catch! There were plenty of new formations added to 2.02, seems a few anomalies slipped in at the time as well.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/8/2017 7:49:27 PM   
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The erroneous 42 04 46 12 R0021243 $ Heavy Gun RVGK BM references were at lines 2706, 2731 and 2757 of Division00.oob. Changing those entries to 42 11 46 12 solved the issue. For now.

I will try to find the reference if those Tank Divisions indeed should have had the Regimental batteries already as of April 1942. The Battalional batteries themselves exist already from January 1941, so either the Divisional (available too early) or Regimental (available too late) date is wrong.

I will provide a hot fix over the weekend as a JSGME mod.

Let us try to nail the Hungarian and Romanian data bugs then as well.






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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/12/2017 7:47:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have Russia figured out, decided to trust the three divisional entries over the single regimental one. Ran out of the time to check the other nations, will do thst later.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 3/29/2017 5:04:47 PM   
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RE: east front OOB editor - 5/18/2017 2:38:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		i noticed in the Hungarian army.oob

for the 3rd Army which is giving the errors of missing sub-units for July 1943 and June-August 1944

then i checked the army HQ unit in the army.oob the start date and end date is

41 04 43 06

so there isn't an army hq past those dates, so i changed the army hq unit date to match the end date for the 3rd Army which is May 1945

41 04 45 05

now im not having an error

i hope you understand.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 5/18/2017 5:11:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Romania is having date issues.

1st Guards Company start date and end date is 41 07 44 08
1st Platoon start date and end date is 41 10 44 08
2nd Platoon start date and end date is 41 10 44 08
3rd Platoon start date and end date is 41 10 44 08

the rest of the guards company are like this. i dont know what to do to fix it.

guards infantry battalion level mortar group also having date issues.

infantry battalion level mortar group is also having date issues

$ Frontier Battalion level mortar group is also having date issues

the unit is starting before the platoon is available.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 5/19/2017 11:02:55 AM   
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i noticed in the Hungarian army.oob

for the 3rd Army which is giving the errors of missing sub-units for July 1943 and June-August 1944

then i checked the army HQ unit in the army.oob the start date and end date is

41 04 43 06

so there isn't an army hq past those dates, so i changed the army hq unit date to match the end date for the 3rd Army which is May 1945

41 04 45 05

now im not having an error

i hope you understand.


Thanks for pointing this out. How it works is the higher formation, in this case the Army level formation, is expecting to find its organic units at lower levels to be available during the whole time range it portrays. So indeed here, the HQ unit the Army is looking needs to be available between 41 04 to 43 06. As it is now available from 41 04 to 45 05 it fullfils this criteria.

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Romania is have date issues.

1st Guards Company start date and end date is 41 07 44 08
1st Platoon start date and end date is 41 10 44 08
2nd Platoon start date and end date is 41 10 44 08
3rd Platoon start date and end date is 41 10 44 08

the rest of the guards company are like this. i dont know what to do to fix it.

guards infantry battalion level mortar group also having date issues.

infantry battalion level mortar group is also having date issues

$ Frontier Battalion level mortar group is also having date issues

the unit is starting before the platoon is available.


Here, you'd need to have all the Platoons starting at 41 07, or alternatively, the 1st Guards Coy begin at 41 10. To be safe, as I don't know what 1st Guards Battalion expects to see in 1st Guards Coy, I'd change the Platoons to start from 41 07.

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RE: east front OOB editor - 5/19/2017 3:04:23 PM   
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