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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/18/2017 5:46:54 PM   
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The last Chinese base falls...



Truly the last, or are there any northern holdouts?

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/18/2017 5:49:09 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/18/2017 5:53:04 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/18/2017 6:25:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having waited patiently till October, I finally get my first Jack Sentai. I move it to Singers, a level 8 runway with over 60K supplies, and I cannot manually upgrade it.

This is the 2nd squadron that upgrades are screwed up on, the other a key Oscar III squadron cannot upgrade to Oscar IV.

This bites.




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/18/2017 6:29:13 PM   
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The last Chinese base falls...



Truly the last, or are there any northern holdouts?


Truly, you lack faith!




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/18/2017 7:05:32 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/18/2017 8:23:54 PM   
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Having waited patiently till October, I finally get my first Jack Sentai. I move it to Singers, a level 8 runway with over 60K supplies, and I cannot manually upgrade it.

This is the 2nd squadron that upgrades are screwed up on, the other a key Oscar III squadron cannot upgrade to Oscar IV.

This bites.





My experience with this, when playing PDU Off against the AI for all of a few months, is that you need the unit size in planes in the pool. So 27...

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/18/2017 10:40:52 PM   
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My experience with this, when playing PDU Off against the AI for all of a few months, is that you need the unit size in planes in the pool. So 27...


Has not been true for other squadrons...I have been able to manually upgrade with as few as 1 plane. If this becomes the case I am really screwed.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/18/2017 10:43:14 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/19/2017 12:01:15 AM   
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For example, just manually upgraded to Peggy here with only 10 planes...





Hrm.

Well, what you have then is potentially a DB bug, which may not be fixable in a game in progress without Michael's help, if you can find him.

This would be the sort of thing I would ask for his gracious assistance on, if it doesn't resolve itself. Having several squadrons stuck on early war planes for no good reason isn't entirely game breaking, but it is limiting when you need every front line squadron you can get.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/19/2017 12:24:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think if the squadron gets removed later in the game...then it needs a full contingent of planes to upgrade. Serious problem for me with Tony & Jack perhaps more...

Still testing my hypothesis however.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/19/2017 12:33:20 AM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/19/2017 12:39:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		So far two squadrons stuck at Tony 61A, No Jack squadrons for another two months to three at least., if I blow the supply to make a new factory. Not sure what else is impacted... probably more Tony squadrons that come as reinforcements...probably night fighters...probably some of the stranger recon planes...

Ergh, what a royal mess.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/19/2017 2:34:09 AM   
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Air units which are not scheduled to withdraw can be manually upgraded if there is 1 airframe in the pools.  Units which are scheduled to withdraw can only be manually upgraded if the full TOE complement in airframes are in the pool.  For automatic upgrades the full complement is necessary to be in the pool for both PDU OFF and PDU ON.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/19/2017 3:02:15 AM   
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I think a string of them could slow a bombardment TF down enough for a KB trap. Sounds like a good idea. Of course, the lack of fuel is going to make things tough.

Wa



Not really my experience. Mostly, they just sink and provide the Allies with 4 free VPs. Ops points burn on the Allied ships appears negligible - when I've encountered them, sometimes as many as 3 or 4 in a single night phase, my ships have been completely unimpeded in terms of how much they moved.


Lokasenna is correct in his conclusion but the process is not accurate.

Ops points do not factor in actual ship movement per se. They are taken into account in areas such as loading/unloading, refuelling which are "stationary" activities. In abstract terms they represent the time necessary to undertake those "stationary" activities and consequently reduce the available time for actual travel movement in the turn.

The actual travel movement is really only impacted by the fuel usage and fuel stock. Thus more hexes will be travelled at a higher fuel consumption rate (aka full speed), fewer hexes travelled if the fuel stock is exhausted necessitating "at sea" refuelling (where the ops points again come into play by determining how much time is consumed).

When players ascribe their TFs not arriving on schedule due to Ops points issues what they are usually seeing is really the effect of combat. For combat (be it surface, air attack et al) causes additional fuel consumption.

So when Lokasenna notes his TFs arrival not being impacted by midget subs it is because his TF's increased fuel consumption was not sufficient to eat into his TF fuel stock to the extent where an Ops points activity (aka at sea refuelling) became necessary and thus no travel time was lost.

Alfred

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/19/2017 3:22:55 AM   
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This is not a bug but WAD from day one.  It applies equally to PDU OFF as to PDU ON.

Alfred 


Yep, stir the bitter tea I brewed for myself by trying to be too clever by half.

I vaguely recall this being the case...probably take 100,000 supply to fix over the course of the game. That or use them as trainers.

What a harsh blow, only 4 squadrons fly the Jack for the entire game, and one of them gets pulled and pulled relative early. Oh, cruel game.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/19/2017 11:35:03 AM   
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Ops points do not factor in actual ship movement per se. They are taken into account in areas such as loading/unloading, refuelling which are "stationary" activities. In abstract terms they represent the time necessary to undertake those "stationary" activities and consequently reduce the available time for actual travel movement in the turn.

Alfred

This is a most succinct description. It now becomes clear.

Thank you.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/19/2017 6:27:11 PM   
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Ops points do not factor in actual ship movement per se. ...

This is a most succinct description. It now becomes clear.
Thank you.


+1

more gold for my WitP-AE notebook.
thanks again

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/20/2017 1:54:35 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/20/2017 2:09:54 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/23/2017 1:24:05 PM   
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A quiet day...Allied carriers retreat from Darwnin past Horn Island...

Japanese reinforcements arrive at Seward...putting into jeopardy his two tank units there (one is at 0 AV the other 40). Japanese artillery bombards and destroys 1 vehicle. Some Japanese bombers strike, but do no lasting damage...

More mines for Rabaul...where there are 18 Allied Units in a stalemate with Japanese forces...this should bring the total number of mines close to 1000.

Spent 30,000 supply making tow production plants (J2M2 and Ki61c). Hurt, but I figured I need the planes.

Allied troops still marching in the central plains of Burma.

The Kaga is making nice progress...




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/23/2017 2:48:20 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/23/2017 2:50:53 PM   
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I'd be sending her to a shipyard with those damage levels. Her crew is plenty good enough to make the journey.


Waiting for the subs to diminish a little...but you are right she will be making the trip shortly (especially now that her speed picked up).

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/23/2017 3:52:03 PM   
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I'd be sending her to a shipyard with those damage levels. Her crew is plenty good enough to make the journey.


Waiting for the subs to diminish a little...but you are right she will be making the trip shortly (especially now that her speed picked up).



Best move her before the better torpedoes kick in! There's an 80% dud rate...

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/24/2017 5:01:23 PM   
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I plan a little trap down here with Lillys, but accidentally click on ground attack. 18 Lillys sortie and fly into PM and get eaten up alive. But I have all the fighter's patrol altitudes and will sweep tomorrow with 100 fighters. Sub par sweepers, but lets see what they can do.








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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/24/2017 5:59:28 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/24/2017 9:43:42 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/25/2017 11:15:39 AM   
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Sweet.




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/25/2017 11:16:59 AM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/25/2017 11:17:59 AM   
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There is a single commonwealth unit, probably a division, moving east to join the Allied horde in the middle of the plains...I am going to hit it with everything that can carry a 250 kg bomb...only a few Tojo will guard/sweep/lrcap.



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