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OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 6:18:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am thinking to buy a Sony tv say 43 inch to use as my laptop monitor. Need some advice. Laptop display at 15 inch too small and computer monitors on the market like LG and Samsung here are not cheap 32 inch already SGD1,000. A new good quality Sony 43 inch tv costs only SGD650. I know HDMI wire is required but some adjustments are needed on the laptop setup. Appreciate your advice. Thks

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 7:06:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm no expert, but I think refresh rate is important if you are going to play any graphics intensive games like first person shooters.
I am not sure all TVs are built to have compatibility with the software of a computer video output, unless it says so on the box. OTOH, the game controllers kids use (like XBOX, Playstation) are small computers so maybe it isn't a big deal.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 8:09:23 AM   
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Usually one can just adjust the aspect ratio on the telly if the laptop gives out an inflated picture. If you have the 4:3 ratio on the laptop it should work OK on the TV, too.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 9:53:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		If this is not too old SONY, I doubt any adjustments would be needed. I have 50 in SONY BRAVIA, and I just put HDMI into laptop, and have instant picture on TV.
There is small problem with my older 42 in LG, because I am using RGB cable (only because I had one long, spare), and somehow my laptop resolution is 1360, but TV resolution is 1366 (It's actually full HD, but I didn't tried to force it yet). So keep in mind, that your TV could have better supported resolution, than laptop, so make sure you are setting it as second monitor, or your laptop screen would go black. HDMI cable also transfers sound, so you just use TV Remote for everything.
And, if you actually buy ANDROID TV (like SONY BRAVIA), it also works as wireless display for your ANDROID Smartphone. Setting it takes only few seconds. You can project pictures, movies, or even working screen onto TV, without problem.
As long as TV is not too old LCD, WINDOWS should actually recognize it, and its resolution.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 9:56:59 AM   
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I'm no expert, but I think refresh rate is important if you are going to play any graphics intensive games like first person shooters.
I am not sure all TVs are built to have compatibility with the software of a computer video output, unless it says so on the box. OTOH, the game controllers kids use (like XBOX, Playstation) are small computers so maybe it isn't a big deal.


TVs almost always support 60Hz as refresh rate which is the same as low cost computer monitors (special gaming monitors go a lot higher). Connecting a modern laptop to a TV is usually no problem.

Two remarks:
- If your laptop is older, check that it can supply the TVs resolution via the HDMI output (might be FullHD 1920*1080 at 60 Hz?!). Unfortunately this information is not easy to find in many cases. You could just try rigging it to another (a friend's) TV. In this case: Make sure that it is running at the full resolution. Sometimes laptops set lower resolutions on their own accord if set up to an external screen.
- Keep in mind that one reason TVs are cheaper is their lower pixel density. A 32" at FullHD screen is around 70 dpi (dots per inch), but a 43" TV is at ~50 dpi. You are buying more screen but no more pixels, just bigger ones. Low dpi numbers make sense for TVs since their viewing distance is usually a lot higher (> 3m) than computer screens (< 1m). Seen from a distance the big pixels don't matter anymore. Personally I prefer dpi > 90 for a computer screen at a typical working distance and am willing to sacrifice screen size for this, but your individual preference might differ a lot, depending on experience, eye sight, etc.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 1:13:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks guys for your excellent advice. Time to move to TV panels as monitors. Sony TV sound is excellent.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 1:19:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I hook up to hotel TV's all the time with my laptop. As my 8yo would say: "easy, Peasy, Lemon Squeazy".

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 1:41:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		It depends what are you going to be using it for; if it is for playing WITPAE and watching movies, sure you can

however, you might want to take a look at "4K monitors" which gives more resolution (more pixels) and are needed if you plan to get into other games like first person shooters or simulators
EDIT: Important to mention that a 4K monitor needs a powerful processor and video card, check if your laptop can take it,

I am getting hooked into air simulators and just recently bought a 27 inch 4K monitor.. size is perfect as I sit close to the screen, and with things like TrackIR (some form of headset), I really feel like I am flying a combat plane!!



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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 2:06:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm connected to an external 4K monitor with my 2 year old MacBook Pro. Love the real estate! I can only get WitP-AE to display up to 2560 x 1600 in windowed mode. (I'm using Wineskin to run it on the Mac.) I don't play any graphics heavy games so it works fine.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 4:49:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The biggest thing is the lower pixel density on TVs. If you are sitting far away from the screen, that's fine. But if you're up close, like at a desk, I absolutely would not ever use a TV as a monitor.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/1/2017 9:41:01 PM   
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....I can only get WitP-AE to display up to 2560 x 1600 in windowed mode...


"only" he says... lol


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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/2/2017 12:38:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks guys. I will go for a 4K Ultra HD Sony a 43 inch should be good.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/2/2017 3:01:56 AM   
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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/2/2017 3:07:11 AM   
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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/2/2017 9:40:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I use a 65" Samsung plasma TV as my monitor.

Its 600 Hz refresh rate blows away even the fastest first-person shooter and allows me to play WitP-AE from my La-Z-Boy.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/2/2017 11:37:55 PM   
patrickl


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Status: offline 		65 inch screen with 600 Hz refresh rate . Now that is a beauty. The set up costs 10 grand but we men need our man cave to be just a bit more comfortable.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/5/2017 4:28:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Refresh rates between plasma and LCD/LED don't compare. Plasma works by basically creating a bunch of dark images of the same frame and passing them over and over without changing them. This slowly brightens the image to the desired level. Large Samsung plasmas take 10 refresh passes per frame. While it has a 600Hz refresh rate, the frame rate of the big Samsungs is actually 60Hz.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/7/2017 2:11:08 PM   
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Refresh rates between plasma and LCD/LED don't compare. Plasma works by basically creating a bunch of dark images of the same frame and passing them over and over without changing them. This slowly brightens the image to the desired level. Large Samsung plasmas take 10 refresh passes per frame. While it has a 600Hz refresh rate, the frame rate of the big Samsungs is actually 60Hz.


Thanks, no plasma tv for me.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/7/2017 3:11:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		AFAIK, plasma TVs or monitors are a dead end, technology speaking. I mean all major manufacturers stop production a few years ago, but of course I can be wrong

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/7/2017 11:22:49 PM   
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AFAIK, plasma TVs or monitors are a dead end, technology speaking. I mean all major manufacturers stop production a few years ago, but of course I can be wrong

You are right. I only see LCD and LED TVs in the stores nowadays.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/8/2017 1:09:25 AM   
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AFAIK, plasma TVs or monitors are a dead end, technology speaking. I mean all major manufacturers stop production a few years ago, but of course I can be wrong

You are right. I only see LCD and LED TVs in the stores nowadays.

Having had the fluorescent backlight on my LCD TV fail once, at great expense, I recommend going for the LED. What extra cost there is will be recouped in savings on electricity and on less heat emitted - requiring less A/C to counter it.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/8/2017 1:42:51 AM   
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AFAIK, plasma TVs or monitors are a dead end, technology speaking. I mean all major manufacturers stop production a few years ago, but of course I can be wrong

You are right. I only see LCD and LED TVs in the stores nowadays.

Having had the fluorescent backlight on my LCD TV fail once, at great expense, I recommend going for the LED. What extra cost there is will be recouped in savings on electricity and on less heat emitted - requiring less A/C to counter it.

Roger. Got to look out for those LED TVs.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/8/2017 2:38:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		You may also be able to just use VGA connection if that is what your computer and the TV have, otherwise would need to get an adapter. If you are only playing WItPAE and not flight sims, action type games just about any LCD/LED/PLASMA TV will do. Some cheaper TV's may have color issues but most should be fine. With electronics I tend to stick with name brand's for quality.

All an LCD tv is is a computer monitor with a tuner in it. I have a 55 inch plasma bought several years ago and my kids play action.graphic intense games on it with the play station, no problems. But plasma is warm, can feel the heat from the screen about a foot away.

Refresh rate, it can make a difference for fast action/graphic intense games but won't matter for WITPAE. Aspect ratio may need to try a few different settings to see which works/looks best. The rest should not matter. VGA doesn't have as high a quality picture or resolution (think VCR level) but HDMI or DVI have higher resolutions (Blue ray and DVD level) than WITPAE runs at. If there is an electronics store around, maybe they will let you hook up your laptop to try it out before you buy it.

But would not worry too much, most should be fine.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/8/2017 3:10:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		With a 4K ultra HD TV, the minimum requirement is HDMI connection. VGA connection is no longer possible. I have retired from playing first person shooter/ simulation games for nearly a decade. Got motion sickness

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/8/2017 7:57:18 PM   
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With a 4K ultra HD TV, the minimum requirement is HDMI connection. VGA connection is no longer possible. I have retired from playing first person shooter/ simulation games for nearly a decade. Got motion sickness

Oh, just admit it - you stopped because the young-uns always beat the pants off you!
I watch my grandsons play video games and I have to keep asking them "What just happened?"

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/9/2017 1:42:09 AM   
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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/10/2017 11:40:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a 70 inch Sharp tv. I routinely play on it. I just had to make some small adjustments to the x and y command lines. So I now have 2 shortcuts on my computer, one for the laptop screen and the other for the tv.

All in all it took about 30 minutes of experiments. Good luck and enjoy.

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/11/2017 4:26:08 AM   
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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/11/2017 8:11:39 AM   
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I always find it interesting that in these type of discussions, the abbreviations IPS, VA, PLS, AHVA & TN never seem to come up where size and resolution seem to be the overriding factor. .

The technology and quality of the LCD panel is a far more important consideration when choosing the perfect monitor. To be fair, if you are paying for some of the brand name 50/70" monsters above they will be constructed from the upper end panels but they will still have some technology compromises as well.

The primer below won't make you an instant expert but it might give you an idea of the strengths and weaknesses of each type.
LCD Panel Types

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RE: OT : Tv to replace pc monitor - 6/11/2017 12:00:15 PM   
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70 inch TV, now that is a monster. I will be very happy to have a 50 inch.


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