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Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/24/2017 2:05:41 PM

OxfordGuy3

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Does anyone have any recommended Axis Unit deployment examples for a typical 1941 Barbarossa (no German Lithuania)?

I'm having problems even vaguely figuring out how to deploy my units best for this, so any suggestions welcome! A screenshot of each sector would be great.

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/24/2017 2:24:47 PM

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I've still to try it but have you looked at the set up in the Barbarossa scenario? Btw nice to see another ex CEAW-GS player has made the transition to here.

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/24/2017 2:42:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ironclad

I've still to try it but have you looked at the set up in the Barbarossa scenario? Btw nice to see another ex CEAW-GS player has made the transition to here.

Yes, I guess that's one starting point, but that didn't work out so well in real life...

I like CEAW-GS very much, but found the low max screen resolution very limiting and there is nothing to prevent cheating in MP (except hoping that you're playing an honest player). Also quite like the expanded scale of SC3 and expanded diplomatic and research choices. I miss manpower and oil limits, though. AI is *much* better, though a human opponent will still be the only real challenge.

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/24/2017 3:41:19 PM

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That pretty well matches my view. I had got quite skilled with managing manpower and both it and the oil were truly realistic curbs on the Axis, but the more I get into SC the less I'm missing them. The screen was the real reason I gave up on CEAW-GS, by the end it was only taking up a quarter of my then latest laptop screen.
SC is hugely enjoyable and reconverted me to playing against an AI - but you can't beat multiplayer (up for a game if you are). Hope they keep the matrix server save system though can't see how that will work if they want to keep the reload count check.

Back to the topic. Due to start another Axis 39 game soon (still on intermediate) so will see how the next Barbarossa goes. Since I've started winning with the Axis after the first couple of disasters facing the those devastating D Days in 43, its been the long haul in the east whatever the strategy employed so no great opening set up up to recommend yet.

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/24/2017 4:12:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ironclad

That pretty well matches my view. I had got quite skilled with managing manpower and both it and the oil were truly realistic curbs on the Axis, but the more I get into SC the less I'm missing them. The screen was the real reason I gave up on CEAW-GS, by the end it was only taking up a quarter of my then latest laptop screen.
SC is hugely enjoyable and reconverted me to playing against an AI - but you can't beat multiplayer (up for a game if you are). Hope they keep the matrix server save system though can't see how that will work if they want to keep the reload count check.

Sure, I'd be up for a game, still an SC newbie, though, and was no expert at CEAW-GS, though I enjoyed most of the MP games that I played and managed to hold my own in most of them.

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Back to the topic. Due to start another Axis 39 game soon (still on intermediate) so will see how the next Barbarossa goes. Since I've started winning with the Axis after the first couple of disasters facing the those devastating D Days in 43, its been the long haul in the east whatever the strategy employed so no great opening set up up to recommend yet.

Okay, though currently I don't even know where to start with my Barbarossa setup - maybe just variations on the historical setup for now, I guess.

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/25/2017 10:29:29 PM

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Anyone?

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/26/2017 7:51:51 PM

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Okay, though currently I don't even know where to start with my Barbarossa setup - maybe just variations on the historical setup for now, I guess.

yep, the scenario is a good start. Also, some of the reviewer videos provided some insight.

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/26/2017 8:08:45 PM

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quote:

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Okay, though currently I don't even know where to start with my Barbarossa setup - maybe just variations on the historical setup for now, I guess.

yep, the scenario is a good start. Also, some of the reviewer videos provided some insight.

Thanks, will take a look. I guess I should just go with the historical option for carving up Poland for now too.

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/26/2017 8:11:21 PM

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Take a look at the historical OOB for Barbarossa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_battle_for_Operation_Barbarossa

Then try to correlate that with the force pool available in the game. It's not going to be possible, corps by corps, or by armies, as those in the game are abstractions. Perhaps do it by percentages of the total force available as compared to the historical OOB. Example, if 30% of the German force was assigned to Army Group North historically, then the same can be done in the game.

Of course this assumes you want a historical type setup. If not, then decide what your objectives are, and set up the forces accordingly.

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/31/2017 10:14:32 AM

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I would say that as far as strategy goes, absolute for 41 priority should be Leningrad . In center Smolensk is a must and anything beyond is a bonus . South is not so important in 41 - Only obvious target is Kiev and the Dnieper line .
From these priorities follows the set-up :

North Front :
On the road to Leningrad there are 2 bad choke points : Riga and Daugavpils (this was not historically true because Riga was a push over and Daugavpils fell to the 4th Panzergroup basically in 1 week) .
Your main supply line is the track Ostrov-Pskov Luga . You get there 2 Panzers, 1 Waffen SS , 2 Armies (mot), 1 or 2 artillery (mot) and Stuka support . The corps are distributed as you like .

Central Front :
You need 2 Panzer to close the Lvov Pocket fast - they will push on Luck and Tarnopol . The Byalystok Pocket can be closed with corps only . The rest just goes straight on Minsk .

Southern Front :
Here mileage may vary . Personnaly I always leave the South in the hands of minors (they are ahistorically strong in the game) .
I buy tanks for Hungary and Rumany . Italy also comes there with 1 mechanised and 1 tank . The tanks push to Tarnopol to close the Lvov Pocket in the South . The rest just goes straight to Odessa and Uman .
It may be good to reinforce a bit with German tactical bombers and 1 fighter to destroy entrenchments .

With this set up, the idea is to get good starting positions for the real offensive which will take place in 42 with priority on Moscow .
If Leningrad is taken in 41, you make junction with the Finns and the Soviets are very badly fekked - the Finns take over the North front and you free the huge mobile force described in the Northern set up for the push on Moscow in 42 .
Besides the railroad Novgorod Kalinin is your Attack vector and the Soviets can't reall Attack it because they have no good supply line there .

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/31/2017 10:47:33 AM

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I would say that as far as strategy goes, absolute for 41 priority should be Leningrad . In center Smolensk is a must and anything beyond is a bonus . South is not so important in 41 - Only obvious target is Kiev and the Dnieper line .
From these priorities follows the set-up :

North Front :
On the road to Leningrad there are 2 bad choke points : Riga and Daugavpils (this was not historically true because Riga was a push over and Daugavpils fell to the 4th Panzergroup basically in 1 week) .
Your main supply line is the track Ostrov-Pskov Luga . You get there 2 Panzers, 1 Waffen SS , 2 Armies (mot), 1 or 2 artillery (mot) and Stuka support . The corps are distributed as you like .

Central Front :
You need 2 Panzer to close the Lvov Pocket fast - they will push on Luck and Tarnopol . The Byalystok Pocket can be closed with corps only . The rest just goes straight on Minsk .

Southern Front :
Here mileage may vary . Personnaly I always leave the South in the hands of minors (they are ahistorically strong in the game) .
I buy tanks for Hungary and Rumany . Italy also comes there with 1 mechanised and 1 tank . The tanks push to Tarnopol to close the Lvov Pocket in the South . The rest just goes straight to Odessa and Uman .
It may be good to reinforce a bit with German tactical bombers and 1 fighter to destroy entrenchments .

With this set up, the idea is to get good starting positions for the real offensive which will take place in 42 with priority on Moscow .
If Leningrad is taken in 41, you make junction with the Finns and the Soviets are very badly fekked - the Finns take over the North front and you free the huge mobile force described in the Northern set up for the push on Moscow in 42 .
Besides the railroad Novgorod Kalinin is your Attack vector and the Soviets can't reall Attack it because they have no good supply line there .

Thanks that's very useful, though do you have some screen shots of typical unit starting points? BTW what do you mean by a "Warren SS" unit - do you mean a Special Forces unit? By "motorised" armies and artillery I assume you those with mobility upgrades? The Italian tank I usually use in Africa and don't build more, as don't take Advanced Tanks tech for the Italians, only Armoured Warfare (which also helps Mech infantry).

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 1/31/2017 5:57:33 PM

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es the Waffen SS is special force . Pretty good and fast .
Yes, motorised is the mobility upgrade . It is pretty expensive but I like to have also my armies (not corps) mot .
For the Italians you are right - I only take tanks and mech infantry for trhe mobility which is important on the Eastern Front .

Unfortunately no, I have no screen shots but the d�tails are not so important - you just put what is needed to push to Daugavpils fast and then to Pocket the 2 early cauldrons - Bialystok and Lvov .
Panzers go around and infantry compresses the pocketted units .
As the basis in the East is to encircle the ennemy, you only need to focus on how you use your fast units (Panzers and mot) .

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 5/8/2017 1:22:16 PM

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I usually organize the barbarossa army into independent battlegroups, easch of them assigned various objectives. A battle group usually consists of 2 tanks, 1 mech inf, 1 arty unit, 3 armies. Each battle group is under the command of a HQ (very important!). Then we have the support units in the form of bombers, fighters, paratroops - I also assign HQs for the support units but their mission is to help more battlegroups not just only one. Then we have the corps units, usually not under a HQ, which are used to hold flanks, help with encirclements, partisan duties and, if the need arise, replacement for weakened battlegroup units.
How to employ them , it is up to you. for example Vonik shows a strong prefference for a northern approach, to link Finland up and free valuable assets for Moscow theater. I find myself hitting south more often than not - trying to capture or cut Caucasus off and capture Stalingrad before Moscow - this opens up a turkish campaign and the possibility to link mid east and africa with europe further increasing your mpps and supply levels.
The northern approach might be safer since it aims to protect the Baltic flank, pretty exposed to russian incursions if left unattended, the southern approach might be more romantic though :D

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 5/8/2017 2:59:21 PM

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I aim at buying out as many as possible before Barbarossa;
1. Tanks
2. Mechanized
3. Tactical Bombers

Also a good investment is atleast one HQ unit since the frontline is so large that your exisiting HQs will struggle to cover it all.

IF you have all those in place, I would buy armies for the minors.

All should be upgraded. It is fully doable to have ground attack researched to lvl3, Infantry maxed out at 2, and tanks at 2 or 3 before you start Barbarossa. If so, you should be able to chew through the USSR units rather easily.

After you start to make progress in the USSR, I tend to build a few garrisons to send to the cities around the Pripjet, as those areas tend to get flooded with partisans.

Where to push, well I usually go north first, to link up with the Fins, in the centre I usually do not push that hard (usually Moscow is the last objective I take), whereas in the south I will focus on killing USSR units while advancing in a medium pace (think of it as the AP crunch of WITE). If you manage to wipe the UK from North Africa, an advance into Persia will force the USSR to send forces south to meet you, increasing the speed of AGS.

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RE: Axis Barbarossa Deployment Examples? - 6/15/2017 8:51:52 AM

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Game setting - AI veteran, campaign on west 1940. After successful France campaign I prepare east push according to this plan. Don't try push hard east front on more then two directions, in my opinion it's impossible to do because you will end up with splitted and weakened forces against furious Soviet counterattack.
So my two main objectives in 1941 is to capture Leningrad and Moscow. Attack in early May if possible!!! Autumn weather and supply problem will pin down your forces really fast, faster then commie does. My south group in 41 is just to tie some Soviet forces and capture Kiev and Odessa. Winter 41/42 - just rest and refit your forces and try to save them on Soviet wildly attacks.
Early spring 42 is a good time to go for Stalingrad.
And patient my friend :) I wasn't able to be clearly superior force on east before early spring 1944

Just when D-day started

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