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Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/20/2017 4:42:02 PM

Soviet_Union

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im doing a multi game with a friend and my divisions get 0 air support most of the time when I attack on my turn. However on HIS turn whenever he attacks, my men do get plenty of air support.

The lack of air support has been completely crippling any attempts of mine to advance. Im not sure what is wrong considering i have my ground support set at 85 and percent required to fly at 20. My airfields are also filled with aircraft.

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/20/2017 4:48:48 PM

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Do you have ground support on? (This is the toggle near the bottom of the air doc screen)
Are the airbases in range?
Do your airbases have fuel/ammo?
Are your airgroups on night missions?
Are your airbases on anything other than clear, light woods or city (but not urban) terrain?
Do your airgroups have enough READY aircraft in them to cross the 20% threshold you have to fly?
Have you tried lower ground support levels - it is best to start low to get something and then increase to make it bigger.

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/20/2017 5:17:58 PM

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Yes I meet all those requirements. I will give your lower support suggestion a try. Dont really get how that would make it work though.

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/20/2017 5:22:08 PM

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Yes I meet all those requirements. I will give your lower support suggestion a try. Dont really get how that would make it work though.

Lower numbers means more missions with fewer aircraft in each, higher numbers means fewer missions with more aircraft in each. Your problem is you have zero missions - so if for this reason need to go lower to start getting at least 1.

I assume you have bombers (just fighters will not work) and their fatigue/morale in 1944 is at levels where they will fly.

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/23/2017 12:24:28 AM

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Well I was just getting ready to start a new post when I saw this. Having similar problems but in my case I'm also scratching my head. Have numerous air groups in the center and when I attack no problem, lots of aircraft flying in support on my attacks. In the North however, not one aircraft flew in support of my 1st Baltic Front. Chain of command is solid, and all criteria mentioned in this post have been met. Now here's the thing - after all my attacks with 1st Baltic Front, I decided to try 'Bomb Unit' mode with those same aircraft that wouldn't fly support and they flew every bombing mission I directed them to. I haven't yet attacked in the south so I don't know if I'll have the same problem. This certainly frustrating. I have a lot of experience with this game but I'm at a loss as to why my Baltic front aircraft won't fly ground support.

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/23/2017 12:37:17 AM

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Dumb question, but you do have Ground Support set to ON, in the air doctrine page?

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/23/2017 11:33:40 AM

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This certainly frustrating. I have a lot of experience with this game but I'm at a loss as to why my Baltic front aircraft won't fly ground support.

With the Soviets also aircraft only fly ground support for units in the same front - so did you have 1st Baltic front units in any combats?

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Well I was just getting ready to start a new post when I saw this.

It is quite common and I have helped in quite a few of these air will not fly type of threads. Perhaps there should be a sticky for all of them. But probably also a message to developers that the interface/ process should be improved - at least to make it easy to know why they do not fly.

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/23/2017 11:41:54 AM

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Personnally, to maximise the chance of my air force reacting during ennemy turn (ground support, interdiction), i do not use the air force attached to fronts during my turn.

Air force attached to front is used to support the front during ennemy turn.

For offensive operations during my turn, i use dedicated the BAK air HQ and bases attached to long range command, under stavka.

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/23/2017 11:46:20 AM

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For offensive operations during my turn, i use dedicated the BAK air HQ and bases attached to long range command, under stavka.

Is that just for ground bombing missions or will they also do ground support when your ground units attack? And is that only for STAVKA ground units not oterhwise under any other front? I wanted to know this and got no answers when I asked in another thread when I asked - so apologies for hijacking this thread for an old query of mine! If yes does that not mean they could also do ground support during the enemy's action phase for when your ground units are attacked?

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/23/2017 11:55:24 AM

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Ground support for front troops requires front air force.

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/23/2017 11:57:03 AM

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Is that just for ground bombing missions or will they also do ground support when your ground units attack? And is that only for STAVKA ground units not oterhwise under any other front? I wanted to know this and got no answers when I asked in another thread when I asked - so apologies for hijacking this thread for an old query of mine! If yes does that not mean they could also do ground support during the enemy's action phase for when your ground units are attacked?

Airfield under long range command do not usually provide ground support to troops, except if the troops are under stavka, but the efficiency is quite bad with low reaction performance.

One thing also to consider is that a mission can be intercepted. A ground support mission is in fact 3 elements :
1- The bombers supporting the ground troops, 2- the escort of the bombers, 3- the interception of ennemy ground support (fighter intercept, described as CAP (combat air patrol) on the report).

I think, although not sure, that anyone can do the part 3.

Currently my organisation of air force, and i'am quite happy about it is the following :
- Front airfield do nothing during my turn, so they are fresh during ennemy turn to react with maximum efficiency.
- Attack airfield, under long range command and subordinate HQ, painted in an unique color (like black). Used only to perform missions during my turn (ground attack, strategic attack, airfield attack, supply drop, etc..), and rest during ennemy turn.

Using this i'am s�re not to spend too much air force during my turn, preventing my airforce to fight during ennemy turn.

I can also use expendable planes for offensive operations.

The drawback is that you cannot disband tons of long range HQ to gain manpower

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/23/2017 12:09:10 PM

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3- the interception of ennemy ground support (fighter intercept, described as CAP (combat air patrol) on the report).

I think, although not sure, that anyone can do the part 3.

I can confirm that is correct. So sometimes it looks like multiple fronts are providing ground support but under the bonnet in fact other fronts are only doing fighter interception. A similar thing happens with Axis when it looks like multiple nations etc. are providing ground support to troops of another nationality. There also used to be advice to leave ground support on but at zero percent with escort higher, but again I think the fighters were there because of interception not escort.

My question is related to an old post about not overloading fronts and leaving STAVKA armies in the centre with STAVKA as a sort of extra "front". One of the arguments against it was they would get no ground support. I guess from what Stelteck and Morvael are saying they will get ground support from airforces not in fronts (e.g. BAK) but it is lower in probability.

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RE: Getting no air support as USSR 1944 - 6/23/2017 12:17:28 PM

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Yes, this was added a few patches ago, non-front armies get support from non-front air.

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