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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:03:09 PM   
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What did the Union boys in blue think when they heard the name 'Stonewall' Jackson?


Yank #1: "Whadn't that the guy what the Rebs shot earlier in the war?"
Yank #2: "I thought that was Longstreet?"
Yank #3: "What about Johnston?"
Yank #4: "I thought it was Jenkins?"
Yank #5 (officer): "Shaddup you guys. And keep yer fool heads down. The Rebs shot 'em all."

[Yanks #1-4 laugh amongst themselves...]

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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:15:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		What’s in a name, you say? I don’t know. My 4 year old son likes to eat Peanut Butter and Hazelnut spread sandwiches. Sometimes he calls it “Peanut Butter and Chocolate” sandwiches. Sometimes he just wants the hazelnut without peanut butter, and in this case, he asks me to make him a “Poop Sandwich”. *sigh* Boys and their butts. (well honestly, I don’t think boys ever grow out of the “butts/fart/poop" jokes)

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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:29:35 PM   
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As the poem goes, "it was a dark and stormy night."

The Japanese Battlecruisers have served as fantastic carrier escorts throughout the war; however, many times they have been ordered out of their Task Forces for quick, devastating bombardments of enemy bases. Those old 14" guns, with their special shells, can be absolutely magnificent to watch land among parked Allied aircraft, troops, massive supply stocks, guns, and vehicles. This night Vc-Adm Tanaka Raizo knows he will have to fight past American DDs to get to the objective.

The Japanese Admiral places the three Battlecruisers in line with a heavy and light cruiser 5,000 yards ahead and a fan of 6 DDs operating in trios on the starboard and port bow. It is a flexible formation set to repel surface craft.

Captain Arleigh Burke places his six DDs in line and races in to attack the Japanese heavies. An entire base is depending on his actions to protect over 200 planes and other assets at Foochow.

Surface Fights: The Bombardment TF faces the Americans in three distinct engagements and are slaughtered.
--Phase One 6 DDs close on the Japanese a few hits are scored on BC Kirishima while DD's The Sullivans and Abner Reed are sunk.
--Phase Two Three undamaged DDs engage a second time. This time John Rodgers and Stephen are sunk. A Japanese DD takes two shell hits.
--BOMBARDMENT
--Phase Three The surviving pair of DDs are engaged again and quickly sunk. Down go William Porter and Haley Powell.

So much for the vaunted, radar-equipped modern Flethcher-Class DDs. (At least for this day!)

Does Arleigh Burke survive his ship getting sunk? You must ask my noble opponent that question? I truly HOPE so!

Bombardment
The Japanese formation re-arranges itself into the a line-ahead formation with the CL leading the remaining CA and 3 BCs. A total of 24 14", 10 8", and 9 6" guns open up on the well scouted Allied airfield. It is a TURKEY SHOOT! Plane after plane explodes, fires fill the horizon, and jubilation fills the Admiral's Flagship. When photo recon passes over the field--to NO fighter opposition--nearly 60 planes are found destroyed, dozens are damaged, nearly 1,000 troops killed, and the Airfield is CRUSHED (Airbase Hits-53, Supply Hits-18, and Runway Hits-111).

It--is--GLORIOUS!

The Japanese Task Force peels away and gets past the American subs without issue. By the end of the day they are only 50 miles from Shanghai. There they will re-load, prepare, and RETURN to Foochow.





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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:35:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nice! Can you post the combat reports verbatim for our perusal, John?

Also, what of NYGiants' request for the disposition of your armored divisions? Where are they and what are their planning intentions?

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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:36:50 PM   
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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:38:47 PM   
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Surface Fights: The Bombardment TF faces the Americans in three distinct engagements and are slaughtered.



I read that and thought you got slaughtered!

Sweet day!

Burke was the wrong Commander for that task force...he should have choosen high naval low aggression and sought to launch torpedoes and retire using up the IJN ammuntion levels but living to fight another day.

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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:39:45 PM   
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Also, what of NYGiants' request for the disposition of your armored divisions? Where are they and what are their planning intentions?


I think that is classified...Japan has something major planned.

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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:41:05 PM   
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1. Hanoi gets Allied attention from 62 B-24 and (almost ALWAYS used tactically) 49 B-29. They bomb the troops there--of course.

2. Dan appears to be pulling out of Pucheng on the northern portion of his China salient. Interesting choice. WHY?

3. Damn but there is a bunch of everything at Manila. Over 1200 planes, nearly 800 ships, lots of TFs, etc... YIKES!

4. Two more Allied Subs sink this day! One is killed by Japanese DDs and other succumbs to bombs. Definitely scoring on the killing subs front.


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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:42:14 PM   
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Also, what of NYGiants' request for the disposition of your armored divisions? Where are they and what are their planning intentions?


I think that is classified...Japan has something major planned.


Then John can say so without prejudice. Until he addresses the previous requests, it is more logical to assume that it is just an oversight until told otherwise.

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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:42:16 PM   
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Also, what of NYGiants' request for the disposition of your armored divisions? Where are they and what are their planning intentions?


I think that is classified...Japan has something major planned.


All THREE are moving--due east from the west.

Does that help?


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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:42:42 PM   
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Also, what of NYGiants' request for the disposition of your armored divisions? Where are they and what are their planning intentions?


I think that is classified...Japan has something major planned.


All THREE are moving--due east from the west.

Does that help?



No.

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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:47:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		By any standard this was a very good day for the Empire. Don't get many of those in late-1944 and will happily enjoy for the rest of this day.

Who knows? It'll probably all fall apart next turn but THIS turn was nice.


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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 3:48:07 PM   
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Also, what of NYGiants' request for the disposition of your armored divisions? Where are they and what are their planning intentions?


I think that is classified...Japan has something major planned.


All THREE are moving--due east from the west.

Does that help?



No.


Sorry Chickieboy. It made perfect sense to me...


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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 4:00:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

In OTHER news:

1. Hanoi gets Allied attention from 62 B-24 and (almost ALWAYS used tactically) 49 B-29. They bomb the troops there--of course.

4. Two more Allied Subs sink this day! One is killed by Japanese DDs and other succumbs to bombs. Definitely scoring on the killing subs front.



I find it a little funny that you complain about the effectiveness of using strategic bombers as tactical weapons, because they did not achieve that sort of effectiveness in real life. But then laud the effectiveness on Japanese ASW something they did not and likely could not have achieved IRL.

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RE: August 1944 - 6/20/2017 4:19:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japanese ASW is better here because is in IN THE MOD that way. I know that it is somewhat artificial. That said, I have taken the time to train up six large bomber groups (Daitai/Sentai) whose ONLY job is look for, isolate, and SINK enemy subs. Am 100% certain the Japanese did not do that during the war. It is, thus, player choices AND the Mod itself adding some extra--not too much--but some extra ASW weapons on the late-war 2nd Class DDs.

Won't address the 4EB comment since opinions on both sides are well known and documented. No point beating that dead horse for the 50th time in the AAR.



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RE: August 1944 - 6/21/2017 12:48:36 AM   
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RE: August 1944 - 6/21/2017 1:17:46 AM   
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We'll have to see how he reacts. Will he immediately bring more up from Manila or stick to whatever his current plan is?


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RE: August 1944 - 6/21/2017 1:23:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great work by Tanaka and the sisters. Very satisfying to get in late war victories against the USN. Keep it going.

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RE: August 1944 - 6/21/2017 5:45:43 AM   
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RE: August 1944 - 6/21/2017 1:45:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Won't be any action until later today. Had a late night with doing inventory and then have an early, large catering order to do at my store. Once that is done and I am home, we'll have the chance to run the turn.


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RE: August 1944 - 6/21/2017 7:14:14 PM   
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whatever his current plan is?


That's a very good point. What do you think his current plan is? What are your assessments of his near term tactical and strategic goals?

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RE: August 1944 - 6/21/2017 10:14:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you'd want my real GUESS, I would say that China is a distraction designed to keep my eyes THERE instead of elsewhere. If this is the plan then it hasn't worked. I've only reinforced China with Base Forces and several Regiments/Brigades.

REAL TARGET?
1. Formosa to use a massive base to build-up for the invasion of Japan

OR

2. An immediate landing on the Home Islands. Shikoku would be my best bet there.


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RE: August 1944 - 6/21/2017 10:24:44 PM   
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Have you been having sporadic industry failures?

And, has there been any night bombing yet?

I still am smiling about that surface fleet and the work they did on the Chinese coast.

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RE: August 1944 - 6/22/2017 7:41:25 PM   
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RE: August 1944 - 6/22/2017 7:54:39 PM   
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RE: August 1944 - 6/22/2017 10:28:31 PM   
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How much fuel and oil is left and where is it all?

Have you been having sporadic industry failures?

And, has there been any night bombing yet?

I still am smiling about that surface fleet and the work they did on the Chinese coast.


We're starting to have sporadic Failures. I MUST get TK-6 home and do it soon...

There was a terrible six plane B-29 strike at Harbin the first night possible. STUNNED me as a target. To be candid, I hadn't even thought about Manchuria. That is now fixed. If he comes back to any of the major Manchuria centers there shall be resistance.

Nothing since then.

He keeps using them tactically to bomb ground targets. NOT COMPLAINING too much about that...


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RE: August 1944 - 6/22/2017 10:32:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		We're had no action for a day-and-a-half.

Paula was in a wreck earlier but, more seriously, went to the ER last night with a high fever and all sorts of flu-like symptoms. While concerning, the real issue was she was having chest pains like a weight was on her chest (and NOT me Chickieboy!) that only felt better when she leaned forward or when I pressed down (NOT in THAT way Chickenclucker!). The Docs did blood work, Chest X-Ray, and C-T without finding anything. They then sent us home at 11pm without any solution. STUPID. We're supposed to come back Friday afternoon if everything continues. So far--for the day--it has...

Tune in more for developments.

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RE: August 1944 - 6/22/2017 10:48:15 PM   
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RE: August 1944 - 6/22/2017 10:49:02 PM   
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We're had no action for a day-and-a-half.


Lemme guess-not in *that* way, Chickenboy?

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RE: August 1944 - 6/22/2017 11:03:46 PM   
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How much fuel and oil is left and where is it all?

Have you been having sporadic industry failures?

And, has there been any night bombing yet?

I still am smiling about that surface fleet and the work they did on the Chinese coast.


We're starting to have sporadic Failures. I MUST get TK-6 home and do it soon...

There was a terrible six plane B-29 strike at Harbin the first night possible. STUNNED me as a target. To be candid, I hadn't even thought about Manchuria. That is now fixed. If he comes back to any of the major Manchuria centers there shall be resistance.

Nothing since then.

He keeps using them tactically to bomb ground targets. NOT COMPLAINING too much about that...



So sorry to hear about your wife. Having owned and operated a business for 25 years, 3 shift, 25 employees, the travails of being a small business owner does transfer over to the wife. Perhaps more so than to the owner as the owner has perfect information and some control. The wife, unless she is heavily involved, might not. Maybe not applicable to your situation, just my experience both first and second hand from a long time owner. YMMV.


Anyhow, I am glad that the Harbin raid was a wakeup call. Nowhere is safe...not ports not airfields. Make sure you have decent AA and both daytime and night CAP in place for where-ever you park your ships and planes and industry.

The first manpower raid on Osaka or Tokyo will stun you. You may think your defenses good, but if he flies everything at them has good weather and DL...the bombers will get thru losing on average one bomber to each NF destroyed if your pilots are good. The last splinter of 3 bombers that makes the run without any nightfighters present will absolutely stun you with the amount of fires that start, how long the fires burn, and how much VP you lose and the damage done to your industry.

All I can say is watch your dl...and try to ambush him, but don't let him get in a free whack like at Harbin. Something must be in the air everywhere.

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