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"By no means do I condone the atrocities of the upper echelon NAZI regime. But, I don't look badly upon the NAZI party."
So, if you don't understand this statement, what you're telling me is, forgive this simple analogy, "if a few apples on a tree is bad, that whole tree must be rotten too"?
The NAZI party did not start with an Aryanist movement. The NSDAP was created to remove the selfish nobles out of positions of power to make the German man worthy of some respect. The Common man did not have any money, the common man did not have any good jobs, the common man was basically treated like a peasant on the curb.
It was the NAZI party movement that took the Greatest Depression the world had ever seen, and turned it into one of the greatest successes. German industrial capacity rivalled the US's in the 1930s, BECAUSE Hitler made the common man have pride in his country and himself.
The fact that during the "LATER" years of the war, the atrocities against mankind happened, I won't deny, and won't condone or praise. But ANY nation, during any time of conquest, has committed attrocities. But because the WW2 Holocaust is the most recent and most documented event it has been "martyrized" by other nations that are themselves no better than Hitler and his henchmen...
To excuse the fact that the English, French, Spanish, and later the Americans killed almost twice as many Indians in the 1600's through the 1700's, is absurd... but no one ever mentions that, do they? They always try to justify that attrocity by saying, "Well we didn't know any better back then...". That is just rediculous.
No one ever mentions Stalin killing his own people in mass Genocides...
But to say that the NAZI regime was based on a lie, is a farce. I'm am not an anti-semitist by any means, I'm not racist, but what I'm about to say just kind of makes sense to me... Every nation in Europe and Eurasia was refusing the immigration of the Jewish people. Why? Because they would take valuable jobs from the indiginous population of that area. Because, today, every nation has problems with immigrants, the US with Cubans, Mexicans, Koreans, Japanese, Germans, etc etc etc... the list goes on, for the US. Back in the 1900s it happened to be the Jewish people that were chastised for their immigration into other nations. At the time that the Jews were immigrating to Germany, Hitler had through his younger years been observing the slow takeover of jobs by the Jews. During his years understood that if the German people couldn't amass to something decent, by having a good job, and contributing to Germany as a whole. But this was not just happening to Germany, it was starting to affect the surrounding nations as a whole, but "BECAUSE" of the holocaust, Germany will always be isolated in being the nation that didn't like the Jews. The same happened with the Irish population in early America, the same happened with the Hispanic population, the Japanese... etc.
BUT, of course Germany and the NAZI party is the bad guy. YES, the NAZIs were the ones "terminating" the "undiserables". (sickening terminology), but it wasn't EVERYONE that decided to terminate them... it was the upper echelon of the NAZI party that made this decision in the 1940s. WAAAY after the party had already been formed. The party wasn't based on extermination of races... it was based on the unification of Germany because of the Great Depression. The fact that because the German people were blinded by the great successes of the German folk as a whole, because this "great man" Hitler, pulled them out of the depression, would make you think differently.
We, the ones reading about these things in our vast amount of history books, can step back and without bias (using that losely) comment on the "devilish" manner with which Hitlers henchmen designed "the cleansing". But, I don't believe that if I was to have been that family living off of the dirt on the road, back in 1920, elevated to a medium income family with enough food on the table, if I would have been able to differenciate between Hitler between a good leader and a maniac. And I can never say that I would have been the one to speak against the NAZI leadership, when my Jewish neighbors, and the guy next-door that was putting down the NAZI party, disappeared overnight. I don't think that I would have risked mine or my whole families life.
But like I said earlier... People always judge others, but never themselves. NO one... is better than anyone else. Man is equal everywhere.
My point being, that the NAZI party as a whole, as a government system, was not bad, that it was the leadership running the party during the later years, was what made it bad.
Some of what you say SLAAK, has a lot of truth in it, but Someguy's analysis appears as if it's based on periodical readings, that was written by anti-german movements. To state that Hitler "wanted to lose" subconsciously is rediculous. To say that Germany believed that Russia was inferior was nothing but pure BS. He seems to have no historical knowledge of Germany of that timeperiod and as such cannot make any valid assertations on the subject. You on the other hand seem to have astute knowledge of the era (more than me it seems :)) and I'm willing to listen to your comments. Heck, you may even change my viewpoints, but again, I'm more open-minded than some folks that come straight out and start NAZI bashings.
I may not agree with your comment on NAZIism being a combination of racism and totalitarianism, because that was not the true intent of the party.
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