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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/6/2017 8:55:44 PM   
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And the afternoon strike...


Allied Ships
CVE Natoma Bay, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Mississippi, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, on fire
BB Colorado, Bomb hits 7, on fire
PG Charleston, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
AP William Ward Burrows, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
BB New Mexico, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sigsbee
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB New Mexico



Well this was from a day ago, and they weren't 250 kg bombs...but 500kg off which some penetrated.



Oh, sorry - I was thinking of the Mississippi being the one that took 3 torpedoes and then bombs for a "new" heavy damage result.

In that case... I don't think your latest hits on her really did all that much. Maybe a few points of system .

It's like it's my job to puncture balloons or something.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 12:02:36 PM   
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350 of Japan's best fighters ferry into Magwe...the repair facilities are 90 percent damaged, but the runways in perfect condition. Japan High Command is thinking this will be a bloodbath with heavy Allied sweeps by Jugs, Corsairs, Hellcats and P40s followed by massed 4E bombing....but no, it is a quiet day till later.

A sentai of Tojo IIa doesn't get the orders, and provides LRCAP over the troops in the jungle NE of Shwebo, and to their horror two sweeps of Jugs comes in downing 15 before they could retire. Ooops. But Magwe is quiet....perhaps something in the afternoon.

From the screen picture of bomber losses below, you would say those 350 fighters at Magwe intercepted with authority a bombing mission there in the afternoon and Allied sweeps didn't fly... Magwe has 80,000 Allied troops arrayed in battle order to take the town and those pristine oil wells.

Boy, you would be mistaken. Those bombers were all gunned down ferrying in supplies! Never in life have so many 4E beasties, expert bombing pilots & bristling with defensive guns suffered so much for so little!

Transports flying to 57,47 intercepted by 381 Ku S-1

Removing 50 4E bombers from the short term bombing campaign has huge implications for the Allied divisions currently isolated, which number 10 now, and in another day will number 20. Surely heads will roll in the Allied command structure here in Burma.

And, what is even better, there were no, as in none, aerial bombing of the troops preparing to attack those cut off divisions.




AIRCRAFT LANDING
AIR TRANSPORT PHASE
Transport Liberator II shot down by CAP
Transport Liberator II shot down by CAP
Transport Liberator II shot down by CAP
Transport Liberator II shot down by CAP
Transport B-24D1 Liberator shot down by CAP
Transport B-17F Fortress shot down by CAP
Transport B-17E Fortress shot down by CAP
Transport B-24J Liberator shot down by CAP
Transport B-24J Liberator shot down by CAP
Transport B-17E Fortress shot down by CAP
Transport B-25D1 Mitchell shot down by CAP
Transport B-25D1 Mitchell shot down by CAP
Transport B-25D1 Mitchell shot down by CAP
Transport B-24D1 Liberator shot down by CAP
Transport B-24D1 Liberator shot down by CAP
Transport B-24D Liberator shot down by CAP
Transport B-24D1 Liberator shot down by CAP
AIRCRAFT LANDING

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 12:17:18 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 12:24:33 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 12:27:18 PM   
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The 2nd Tank Division, the 11th Tank Regiment and 18th Division are all racing north from Schwebo to join forces in place and destroy this Allied Army, in the open, in November of 1943. Who would have thunk it?


Not me. He should be bombing your moving guys or the guys sitting in the open instead of flying in supplies in 4Es.

The entire Burma Shuffle is a head scratcher. This is someplace the Allies should be making you pay for staying in the central plains in late 43.

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It's like it's my job to puncture balloons or something.


Usually Lowpe is Debbie Downer ... Reality Rhonda ... Don't Get Ahead of Yourself Doris or something ...

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 12:38:39 PM   
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Their effective AV is now just 400...and I will attack again as soon as the supplies roll in. A day or two.






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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 12:40:49 PM   
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Usually Lowpe is Debbie Downer ... Reality Rhonda ... Don't Get Ahead of Yourself Doris or something ...

Wa


Are you implying gender there?

A year from now the picture will be fairly grim, I bet. The Allies will most likely convert to kitchen sink movements.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 2:55:51 PM   
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The 2nd Tank Division, the 11th Tank Regiment and 18th Division are all racing north from Schwebo to join forces in place and destroy this Allied Army, in the open, in November of 1943. Who would have thunk it?


Not me. He should be bombing your moving guys or the guys sitting in the open instead of flying in supplies in 4Es.

The entire Burma Shuffle is a head scratcher. This is someplace the Allies should be making you pay for staying in the central plains in late 43.

Wa


I blame the Ramree Fetish, but also don't think the timeline is that out of whack. Burma is a tough place to fight - there are a few lines of hexes that are more easily defensible than they appear.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 5:05:48 PM   
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1st Sentai converts to Frank R...42 planes of joy.

Starting the bombing campaign against the tanks at Midway

Bombing, from 20k, the Allied troops north of Schwebo...lots of AA there I believe.

Bolstered Magwe's air defense more. Strength versus strength there. Will Allies divert to close that base again?

Many troops are making their way to the next lines of defense...and in 8 days I get almost a dozen infantry regiments. Can't wait!

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 5:06:46 PM   
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The 2nd Tank Division, the 11th Tank Regiment and 18th Division are all racing north from Schwebo to join forces in place and destroy this Allied Army, in the open, in November of 1943. Who would have thunk it?


Not me. He should be bombing your moving guys or the guys sitting in the open instead of flying in supplies in 4Es.

The entire Burma Shuffle is a head scratcher. This is someplace the Allies should be making you pay for staying in the central plains in late 43.

Wa


I blame the Ramree Fetish,


Sounds nasty, but I think you lost me. Are you saying Allies think taking Ramree means instant success in Burma?

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 7:01:09 PM   
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The 2nd Tank Division, the 11th Tank Regiment and 18th Division are all racing north from Schwebo to join forces in place and destroy this Allied Army, in the open, in November of 1943. Who would have thunk it?


Not me. He should be bombing your moving guys or the guys sitting in the open instead of flying in supplies in 4Es.

The entire Burma Shuffle is a head scratcher. This is someplace the Allies should be making you pay for staying in the central plains in late 43.

Wa


I blame the Ramree Fetish,


Sounds nasty, but I think you lost me. Are you saying Allies think taking Ramree means instant success in Burma?


More or less, yes. I've tried to argue back against it, but it's highly fetishized as a target. I found it underwhelming in the extreme (borderline useless or potentially detrimental in terms of time/forces used to take it), and I suspect Bullwinkle has also.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 7:11:56 PM   
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More or less, yes. I've tried to argue back against it, but it's highly fetishized as a target. I found it underwhelming in the extreme (borderline useless or potentially detrimental in terms of time/forces used to take it), and I suspect Bullwinkle has also.


It's a highly-useful base, especially for LRCAP and sweeps. It can hold huge supply reserves.

Downsides are that the hex crossing to the east is very slow. Visions of using it for rapid R&R swaps should be rejected. And, as I found, getting onto the road to the east with a vision of a rapid move south toward Rangoon can be stymied by Japan placing a huge, well-supplied (cough), armor-heavy stack in the jungle. And sitting there. So after coming east out of Ramree the Allies must then do a LOT of hexside-control maneuvering/fiddling to bypass that stack. Which I didn't do fast enough, before I had clocked my beautiful stack. And with British, Indian, and Aussie pools, that blows up the campaign.

OTOH, not using Ramree and instead going amphibious farther south has its own dangers if the heavy carriers are busy elsewhere. Pt. Blair and Akyab are range-limited for landing cover, and landing right on top of Rangoon is problematic due to the river, as well as big LBA from Chiang Mai and other Japan mega-bases. Other bases such as Pegu and Moulmein have their own mix of problems.

The game makes it far too easy to supply massive stacks in triple-canopy jungle. Both sides, although the Allies could build roads and were motorized. I think it's another example of what the devs thought "normal" and "reasonable" ten years ago has been overcome by JFB learning and optimizing in that time.

All things considered I think Ramree is worth doing, but it's not a slam dunk in every case and against every opponent.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 8:08:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I mostly meant that the mantra is usually, "Take Ramree and you'll be able to supply everything in Burma and then it's just game over", which is exactly how it doesn't work.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/7/2017 8:12:30 PM   
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I mostly meant that the mantra is usually, "Take Ramree and you'll be able to supply everything in Burma and then it's just game over", which is exactly how it doesn't work.


Never subscribed to this myself, but the advantage of its coastal location meaning you can dump supplies into the hex and not need to worry about the overland routines is not to be taken lightly...

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/8/2017 11:41:58 AM   
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At Magwe the Allied fighters come, and come and come.

Tbolts, Warhawks, Hurricanes, Lightnings, Corsairs, Hellcats...everything and some in startling large numbers. They all dive from 30,000 feet on the stacked low CAP between 4000 and 9000 feet.

No Allied bombers come, and in the afternoon some Japanese Fighters down more transport planes flying in supplies.

There was only one small Allied bombing run for the day.




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/8/2017 11:46:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Japanese dive bombers level bomb the Allied forces checking for flak presentation, not sure of that Aussie unit, and do very light damage, but the howitzers dial in the range and knock out many tanks, dropping the Aussie AV to 40 (from 60) while the Yankee tank unit is still at 0.

A good day here.




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/8/2017 12:00:59 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/8/2017 12:05:34 PM   
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The supplies have made their way to the troops in the jungle NE of Shwebo so another attack is ordered.

100 damaged fighters on the ground at Magwe, and their repair facilities are only 70%.




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/8/2017 12:14:16 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/8/2017 2:19:41 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/8/2017 2:23:30 PM   
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Allies swept Magwe with 500 fighters this day.


Sounds anticlimactic

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/8/2017 10:40:42 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/9/2017 4:34:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hm., I will send 27 Frances on a strike against these guys if they keep heading for Taberfane. If they veer off for Darwin they should be out of range.

I suspect the Allies want to invade, to take advantage of the KB being near Midway...so there is a window of opportunity here.

However, I did make some provisions for this, and it seems from my detection levels that this task force is light on surface ships, as they bulk of the heavy ships were around Rabaul pounding it into submission.

Perhaps this a rushed invasion...perhaps I have a card up my sleeve.

I hate to lose the Frances, but there should be 150 fighter escorts. Cross your fingers...




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/9/2017 11:59:23 AM   
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Nick's strafing again...lots of supply for the troopers there to shoot up.




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/9/2017 12:00:08 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/9/2017 12:01:02 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/9/2017 12:01:56 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/9/2017 12:06:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, here is one reason why the KB didn't elect to pursue at Midway. I figure sting the Allies a few times and they will resort to massed strength invasions. I was hoping for a cobbled together invasion force. Sigh.

Better recon, and thankfully outside of the Frances range for naval attack (shortened to allow for heavy fighter escort).

Allies backtrack a little and assemble. Depending where these ships go, it is sure to get real nasty. Allie have 9/10dl on Taberfane and 300+ planes there. They can't do much against these ships except in unorthodox ways. Doho has lots of planes too, and no DL. I think he is aiming for the islands west of Taberfane which are lightly defended.

I thought for sure the Allies would exploit up New Guinea's northern coast line...but no DL there.

Flew lots of troops out of the jungle west of Rabaul. Will try again today, but tomorrow the runways at Rabaul will most likely allow CAP.




Bombed Darwin's runways again with Peggy this time...40 runway hits.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/9/2017 12:16:30 PM   
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Most likely no turn today...as the family is off to Gettysburg, and I am behind in my turn to Obvert. Those turns are a real bear! That's a pun folks!

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 7/10/2017 4:18:13 PM   
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So much excitement this turn with foot races going on to close hexsides -- or if Allies win to open hexsides.

Some big fireworks will surely come this day...

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