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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/14/2017 10:15:09 PM

Anachro

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Rio Bravo, a well fought campaign so far and we look forward to future developments. I suspect that if the Bomb had not been invented the Allies would have shifted to a long-term blockade and not invaded Kyushu. The experiences at Okinawa and Iwo Jima as well as the extremely worrying evidence that Japan had guessed correctly where the invasion would be (and subsequent huge build-up of forces) were making Allied commanders increasingly leery of ground combat on the home island.

In your game, hopefully we get to see such a blockade in action.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/14/2017 10:15:38 PM

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*Ahem* Two BBs.

"Miss Primly, kindly remind me to wear my spectacles when counting battleships."

The old optimistic blur strikes again

< Message edited by CaptHaggard -- 7/14/2017 10:17:06 PM >

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/14/2017 11:32:48 PM

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Have you trained them to do that? Do they have night radar to improve their ability to fly, find targets and attack them at night? Sounds like some wishful thinking on your part to rely on a few hundred mines, PT boats and a few hundred planes on vulnerable ports and bases to defend against the KB that has lost only 2 carriers and a surface fleet that has only lost 2 BBs. Your maneuver/feint towards the Bonin Islands might win a tactical surprise and pin those ground forces already committed to the Bonin Islands there but the more flexible air and sea forces will be quickly moved to counter-attack your landings. I think you will find yourself in the same situation as the Allies did in Arnhem too deep in enemy territory to exploit your capturing those bases/ports. capturing something is just phase one, being able to hold them and then later using them as a springboard to future operations is the ultimate goal. In other words i think this is a bridge too far and too early, he has sufficient forces in his backyard to deal with whatever you throw ashore and leave, temporarily to there own devices. Those few hundred mines and few dozen PTs boats won't keep him off you for more than several days. For you aircraft to fly and strike any bombardment TF you will need decent weather, another factor you can't control and he doesn't need it to be good, so it will have little or no affect on him.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 12:30:34 AM

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CaptHaggard: I have NO idea how long FOW affects this list, but there it is, what? five weeks later?

Confirmation of loss of important ships like BBs and CVs (unless seen to go down during combat) rarely happens before six months, and sometimes goes over a year.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 1:22:52 AM

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Have you trained them to do that? Do they have night radar to improve their ability to fly, find targets and attack them at night? Sounds like some wishful thinking on your part to rely on a few hundred mines, PT boats and a few hundred planes on vulnerable ports and bases to defend against the KB that has lost only 2 carriers and a surface fleet that has only lost 2 BBs. Your maneuver/feint towards the Bonin Islands might win a tactical surprise and pin those ground forces already committed to the Bonin Islands there but the more flexible air and sea forces will be quickly moved to counter-attack your landings. I think you will find yourself in the same situation as the Allies did in Arnhem too deep in enemy territory to exploit your capturing those bases/ports. capturing something is just phase one, being able to hold them and then later using them as a springboard to future operations is the ultimate goal. In other words i think this is a bridge too far and too early, he has sufficient forces in his backyard to deal with whatever you throw ashore and leave, temporarily to there own devices. Those few hundred mines and few dozen PTs boats won't keep him off you for more than several days. For you aircraft to fly and strike any bombardment TF you will need decent weather, another factor you can't control and he doesn't need it to be good, so it will have little or no affect on him.

Actually, Lobo doesn't have to win any CV battles or anything like that. He just has to wait for The Allies to dee-dee back to Pearl/Guam than sweep the mines, strafe the PTs and bombard the fields, than he can roll in with the Sallies and Helens.

Now, most Japanese won't juts kick-back and let this happen, but that is what I would do; wait for the Americans to leave than start on them.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 1:31:18 AM

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Rusty it looks like the us 1961 brothers are the old men in the balcony of the muppets.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 4:48:57 PM

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Rusty & Bifi-

I have carefully reviewed and appreciate your comments, advice, conclusions, and the information both of you have provided in an effort to help the Allies.

Although I remain inclined to implement Operations Bottle, Cork, and John B. Hood, I will, for now, continue to give your thoughts careful consideration.

Sometime prior to the Operation Stockpile Fleet unloads everything at the four southern Marianas Islands, I will make a final decision as to whether to proceed with the aforementioned and planned operations or to heed your advice and cancel the operations.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 5:00:10 PM

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August 14, 1943

Highlight for Today

Captain Haggard is in sick-bay at Pearl Harbor.

He became overly excited and his blood pressure shot off the charts from receiving numerous shiny new submarine reinforcements today.

His Adjutant (his wife) advises that Captain Haggard has recovered nicely and is dead-set on leaving Pearl Harbor tomorrow to protect the Operation Stockpile Fleet.

*laughing hard*

Synopsis of Combat Events for Today

Approximately 250 Helen and Sally bombers lit-up Chungking again.

Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for August 14, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry

Attachment (1)

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 5:03:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

quote:

CaptHaggard: I have NO idea how long FOW affects this list, but there it is, what? five weeks later?

Confirmation of loss of important ships like BBs and CVs (unless seen to go down during combat) rarely happens before six months, and sometimes goes over a year.

BB�

I never counted on any of them actually being sunk, especially the BBs... the possible exception to exuberant and exaggerated and ultimately empty sunk-reports by the SS commanders is Junyo, because it mentioned aviation gas fire onboard.

Thanks for articulating the time element, BB I shall remember!

Hag

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 5:18:26 PM

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Anachro,BB, Bif & Rusty,

For me, this is what the War College is all about: spirited dissension and well-reasoned arguments. Pretty compelling stuff.

My only regret is that I'm not of Bill Gates' wealth-strata. If I was, I'd fly everybody into the Hawaiian compound on private jets. On the lanai overlooking waves dashing into volcanic cliffs, we'd pour ourselves a libation from the bar, help ourselves to the banquet table featuring fish just off the boat, and get down to business. I'd have my WITP board-game map mounted and displayed, and of course the game itself projected through a 72" screen...

And then�since I'm as wealthy as Bill Gates anything can happen�Betty Grable, shot through a boom tube from 1943, strolls in...

Your friend and dreaming fool,

Hag

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 5:23:04 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

August 14, 1943

Highlight for Today

Captain Haggard is in sick-bay at Pearl Harbor.

He became overly excited and his blood pressure shot off the charts from receiving numerous shiny new submarine reinforcements today.

His Adjutant (his wife) advises that Captain Haggard has recovered nicely and is dead-set on leaving Pearl Harbor tomorrow to protect the Operation Stockpile Fleet.

*laughing hard*

Not only that, I nicked your DE out of Aden, sir. It will pair like brown-buttered scallops and oaky chardonnay with that CL I have my eye on...

Hag

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 5:38:52 PM

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Rusty it looks like the us 1961 brothers are the old men in the balcony of the muppets.

Hell yes!

I ask these questions to enhance my understanding of the game. These guys are great and I enjoy learning from them.

'61 rules.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 6:38:29 PM

CaptHaggard

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ORIGINAL: Anachro

Rio Bravo, a well fought campaign so far and we look forward to future developments. I suspect that if the Bomb had not been invented the Allies would have shifted to a long-term blockade and not invaded Kyushu. The experiences at Okinawa and Iwo Jima as well as the extremely worrying evidence that Japan had guessed correctly where the invasion would be (and subsequent huge build-up of forces) were making Allied commanders increasingly leery of ground combat on the home island.

In your game, hopefully we get to see such a blockade in action.

Anachro�

Since you have been ceremoniously posited to the command center at the Hawaiian compound (see fantasy post above), we'd be very interested in your take.

15 August 1943: The Japanese are almost pushed out of Burma, but still have many units in the vicinity; only Chungking holds out in China, but it's getting mercilessly blasted on a daily basis; we hold southern Marianas and now wish to glissade across the Philippine Sea and take Formosa and Pescadores. We have suffered no CV losses and we can assume the enemy has not, either.

Is this a "Bridge too far"?

Thank you for your considered response...

Hag

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 10:13:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: CaptHaggard

Anachro,BB, Bif & Rusty,

For me, this is what the War College is all about: spirited dissension and well-reasoned arguments. Pretty compelling stuff.

My only regret is that I'm not of Bill Gates' wealth-strata. If I was, I'd fly everybody into the Hawaiian compound on private jets. On the lanai overlooking waves dashing into volcanic cliffs, we'd pour ourselves a libation from the bar, help ourselves to the banquet table featuring fish just off the boat, and get down to business. I'd have my WITP board-game map mounted and displayed, and of course the game itself projected through a 72" screen...

And then�since I'm as wealthy as Bill Gates anything can happen�Betty Grable, shot through a boom tube from 1943, strolls in...

Your friend and dreaming fool,

Hag

Captain Haggard (alias Mr. Resilient)-

Well put, Commander.

I completely agree. I do appreciate the respectful input and The War College members have definitely enhanced our knowledge in many respects.

Dibs on Betty!

Your pal,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 10:15:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptHaggard

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

August 14, 1943

Highlight for Today

Captain Haggard is in sick-bay at Pearl Harbor.

He became overly excited and his blood pressure shot off the charts from receiving numerous shiny new submarine reinforcements today.

His Adjutant (his wife) advises that Captain Haggard has recovered nicely and is dead-set on leaving Pearl Harbor tomorrow to protect the Operation Stockpile Fleet.

*laughing hard*

Not only that, I nicked your DE out of Aden, sir. It will pair like brown-buttered scallops and oaky chardonnay with that CL I have my eye on...

Hag

Captain Haggard-

I simply feel fortunate that you left the DE reinforcements in the States to me.

*chuckling*

Your pal,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/15/2017 10:19:48 PM

Rio Bravo

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Rusty and Bifi-

I was born in 1951.

Hag was born before me.

As I recall, 1961 was a very good year for chasing skirts with Hostess Cupcakes offered as a bribe for a kiss on the cheek.

*laughing*

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/16/2017 12:48:37 AM

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Maybe a move to NW NG and Southern PI to cut off eastern Borneo oil fields? Since is defending the Bonin Islands maybe a move West would take him by surprise and not risk you being cut off if things don't go the way u hoped as you might be able to secure a LOS through the Carolinas. Though your Formosa, Pescadores operation would be fun to watch.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/16/2017 2:11:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

Rusty and Bifi-

I was born in 1951.

Hag was born before me.

As I recall, 1961 was a very good year for chasing skirts with Hostess Cupcakes offered as a bribe for a kiss on the cheek.

*laughing*

Best Regards,

-Terry

Why, sir�I didn't know you were paying for it at that age!

Our esteemed members were six when I entered boot camp???

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/16/2017 12:23:46 PM

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August 15, 1943

Highlights for Today

1.) Allies captured Pegu.

2.) The Operation Stockpile Fleet left Pearl Harbor bound for the Marianas Islands.

Synopsis of Combat Events for Today

1.) Japanese PB sinks Pt-107 off the coast of Pagan.

2.) Japanese deliberately attacked near Tsuyung. The Japanese won the battle. Both sides received minimal casualties. The Chinese didn't budge.

3.) Allies deliberately attacked near Chiang Mai. Japanese suffered moderate casualties and were forced to retreat.

4.) Allies deliberately attacked Pegu and captured the base; Japanese retreated. 6 Dinahs and 6 Nicks were destroyed.

Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for August 15, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry

Attachment (1)

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/16/2017 12:30:10 PM

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Maybe a move to NW NG and Southern PI to cut off eastern Borneo oil fields? Since is defending the Bonin Islands maybe a move West would take him by surprise and not risk you being cut off if things don't go the way u hoped as you might be able to secure a LOS through the Carolinas. Though your Formosa, Pescadores operation would be fun to watch.

Bifi-

After Operation Stockpile unloads on the four southern Marianas Islands, the Allies will have several good choices to invade next.

However, I continue to lean toward Operations Bottle, Cork, and John B. Hood.

*grins*

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/16/2017 8:12:45 PM

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The only weak-point, as I see it, to Operation Bottle, Cork and JBH is the operation's vulnerability to BB bombardment.

If you can catch the Japanese BBs below the Formosa/Pescadores invasion zone than by all means proceed with the operation-as long as you proceed to attack the BBs and render them incapable of attacking the operation zone after you leave for HI.

So if you have RECON coverage of the major harbors of Asia and the Western Pacific as well as the Subs deployed in picket lines capable of informing you of the moves of the BBs by all means proceed with the operation.

Perhaps you can launch some feint in the South that draws the Japanese BBs down to Indonesia or the PI?

All bets are off, though, if the Japanese keep their BBs in the Sea of Japan and wait for you to leave after the invasion.

Take out the BBs and you win.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/16/2017 11:16:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: Rusty1961

The only weak-point, as I see it, to Operation Bottle, Cork and JBH is the operation's vulnerability to BB bombardment.

If you can catch the Japanese BBs below the Formosa/Pescadores invasion zone than by all means proceed with the operation-as long as you proceed to attack the BBs and render them incapable of attacking the operation zone after you leave for HI.

So if you have RECON coverage of the major harbors of Asia and the Western Pacific as well as the Subs deployed in picket lines capable of informing you of the moves of the BBs by all means proceed with the operation.

Perhaps you can launch some feint in the South that draws the Japanese BBs down to Indonesia or the PI?

All bets are off, though, if the Japanese keep their BBs in the Sea of Japan and wait for you to leave after the invasion.

Take out the BBs and you win.

Rusty-

I agree that the most dangerous Japanese threat to Operations Bottle, Cork, and John B. Hood are the Japanese Bombardment Fleets.

I am fairly convinced that El Lobo believes that the next major Allied Invasion will be the Bonin Islands. Nothing is going to convince El Lobo to move his battleships south. He will keep his battleships very close to the Bonin Islands; close enough to get there in plenty of time should the Allies head to the Bonin Islands.

Accordingly, as we are all in consensus, after the Allied carriers head back to Guam and Pearl, El Lobo will send his battleships to bombard Takao, Pescadores, and Amoy.

However, I am fairly confident that El Lobo will not be able to kick the marines off of Formosa nor kick the U.S. Army out of southern China.

Pescadores, will be ripe for the taking as I don't plan to leave much behind on Pescadores; at the most two infantry divisions. Though I would love to have the shipyard at Pescadores, for now, I can live with the fall of Pescadores. When the Allied carriers return, Pescadores can be captured for the second time and then held.

At this point, I remain inclined to proceed with Operations Bottle, Cork, and John b. Hood. I will accept moderate losses of ships and aircraft to 1.) Land a minimum of five U.S. Army Infantry Divisions with 500,000 supply on the southern coast of to China to support the Chinese and Operation Land Shark, and 2.) By owning Formosa, being in a position to implement the naval blockade of Japan Proper (i.e., denying Japanese access from the south to the China and Philippine Seas.

As I mentioned to Bifi, I will make a final decision shortly prior to Operation Stockpile unloading everything at the Marianas Islands.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/17/2017 1:27:32 PM

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August 16, 1943

Highlight for Today

El Lobo has laid mines at Guam and elements of the Haggard Group is busy clearing mines.

Synopsis of Combat Events for Today

1.) Allied PC Travis hits Japanese Submarine SS I-7 4 times off the coast of Wake Island.

2.) Japanese bombed Chungking.

3.) Japanese deliberately attacked near Chengtu. The Japanese didn't suffer a single casualty while inflicting substantial casualties on the Chinese. However, the Chinese held their ground.

4.) Japanese deliberately attacked near Kweiyang. The Japanese suffered minimal casualties while inflicting moderate casualties on the Chinese and forced the Chinese to retreat.

Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for August 16, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry

Attachment (1)

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/17/2017 1:34:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: Anachro

Rio Bravo, a well fought campaign so far and we look forward to future developments. I suspect that if the Bomb had not been invented the Allies would have shifted to a long-term blockade and not invaded Kyushu. The experiences at Okinawa and Iwo Jima as well as the extremely worrying evidence that Japan had guessed correctly where the invasion would be (and subsequent huge build-up of forces) were making Allied commanders increasingly leery of ground combat on the home island.

In your game, hopefully we get to see such a blockade in action.

Anachro-

Sorry, I neglected to respond to your post.

Thank you for the compliment.

I too think it will be interesting to discover just how well a naval blockade will do to shut down Japan's economy.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/17/2017 2:32:25 PM

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PB4Y-1P Liberators Reconnaissance

Pacific Ocean

August 16, 1943

PB4Y-1P Liberators flying out of Saipan and Guam report that El Lobo has the following assets at the following Pacific Locations:

Chichi-jima

Ground Forces: 18 units; 38,980 troops; 274 guns; and 107 AFVs.
Aircraft: 103 fighters; 17 bombers; and 16 auxiliary.
Ships in Port: 63

Haha-jima

Ground Forces: 13 units; 37,260 troops; 358 guns; and 122 AFVs.
Aircraft: 73 fighters and 6 auxilliary.
Ships in Port: 11
Ships in TF: 5

Iwo-jima

Ground Forces: 18 units; 32,200 troops; 468 guns; and 64 AFVs.
Aircraft: 60 fighters; 36 bombers; and 63 auxilliary.
Ships in Port: 16

Pagan

Ground Forces: 14 units; 28,860 troops; 233 guns; and 40 AFVs.
Aircraft: 62 fighters; 79 bombers; and 21 auxilliary.
Ships in Port: 6
Ships in TF: 26

Ulithi

Ground Forces: 3 units; 5,320 troops; 20 guns; and 6 AFVs.
Ships in TF: 32

Yap

Ground Forces: 4 units; 10,160 troops; 48 guns; and 80 AFVs.

A Map of the vicinity of the Marianas is displayed below.

Best Regards,

-Terry

Attachment (1)

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/17/2017 4:06:28 PM

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I suspect he is weak where you intend to hit him in B&C&JBH.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/19/2017 3:36:54 PM

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August 17, 1943

Highlight for Today

The 3rd New Chinese Corps is on a vindictive pilgrimage. First they capture Pegu and today they shoved the Japanese out of the hex just southeast of Pegu. Revenge is a powerful motivator.

Synopsis of Combat Events for Today

1.) Japanese bombed Chungking.

2.) Japanese bombed near Toungoo (hex 56,51).

3.) Chinese shock attacked near Moulmeim (hex 56,54). Japanese retreated.

Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for August 17, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry

Attachment (1)

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/20/2017 10:24:05 PM

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August 18, 1943

Highlights for Today

1.) The Allies captured Rangoon.

2.) The Operation Stockpile Fleet (i.e., the operation to move more Ground Forces, LBA and Carrier Capable Aircraft, fuel, and supply to the four southern Marianas Islands) is 960 miles NW of Pearl Harbor and 2,240 miles SE of Guam.

Synopsis of Combat Events for Today

1.) El Lobo's E Boats get the best of Captain Haggard's PT Boats off the coast of Saipan and Rota. The E Ishinui takes two hits and PT Boats 154, 155, and 161 are sunk.

2.) Japanese bomb Chungking continuing with their endeavor to keep Chungking ablaze with hundreds of thousands of fires while destroying Manpower and LI. The cost to Japan is but a few damaged bombers.

3.) Japanese bombed near Toungoo (hex 56,51). Japan lost one bomber and had six bombers damaged. The Allies did not suffer a single casualty.

4.) Japanese bombed near Chiang Mai (hex 57,52). Japan did not suffer a single damaged bomber. The Americal Division took 4 casualties with one squad being disabled.

Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for August 19, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/20/2017 11:29:18 PM

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The Burma Situation

August 19, 1943

With the fall of Rangoon, the Allies control all the Burma bases north of Moulmein. The Allies are moving to close off a few remaining open hex-sides to trap the Japanese within hex 56,51 (SW of Toungoo) and within Pegu.

Trapping the Japanese is one thing, destroying them is another. El Lobo has 227,280 troops in hex 56,51 and 55,540 troops in Pegu. Though the Japanese should shortly, if not already, be hurting for supply, it will still be bloody and costly to Allied ground and air forces.

The Allies are hoping to wrap things up in Burma by the end of September in order to move into China with the American, Australian, British, and Chinese forces. These forces should arrive in China shortly before five U. S. Army Infantry Divisions with supporting tank, support, AA, artillery, and engineer units hit the beach at Amoy, China.

The Burma Corps and Indian forces will remain in Burma to garrison Burma.

The following known Japanese forces are at the following locations:

Burma

Hex 60,49: 9 units; 21,440 troops; 166 guns; and 172 AFV.

Hex 56,51: 52 units; 227,280 troops; 1,992 guns; and 1,395 AFV.

Pegu: 10 units; 55,540 troops; 282 guns; and 156 AFV.

Hex 56,53: 7 units; 4,220 troops; 31 guns; and 42 AFV.

Moulmien: 16 units; 6,540 troops; 130 guns; 6 AFV.

Thailand

Hex 58,52: 1 unit; 2,280 troops; 13 guns; and 6 AFV.

Hex 57,53: 3 units; 2,080 troops; 5 guns; and 0 AFV.

Chiang Mai: 16 units; 16,040 troops; 124 guns; 141 AFV; 78 fighters; and 55 bombers.

A map of the Burma vicinity is below.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 7/21/2017 1:09:45 AM

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Pegu is a clear hex and you own the base, so trap him, build forts and let them attack while you bomb them to bits.

The other hex has good defensive position so surround him for now and starve them for a few months. Again, let them be the attackers if possible so you get the defensive bonuses. Bombing here will be much less effective so wait until Pegu is cleared and your bombers can concentrate on this mass.

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