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Very minor nitpick - 617 Squad (dambusters) experience ... - 7/24/2017 2:08:27 PM

Arkham

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I know, I know, I am being pedantic, but why is the famous RAF 617 squadron have such a average experience/morale? They were the famous dambusters squadron, and at least in GG's Bombing the Reich game they had the highest experience of all of bomber command.

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RE: Very minor nitpick - 617 Squad (dambusters) experie... - 7/24/2017 8:34:00 PM

Denniss

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Hmm, they lost 8 of 19 crews in the dambuster raids, afterwards the commander went on promo tour in the US.
But as they were understood as specialist/elite squadron we should probably use at least 80 experience and 85 morale for this unit, maybe even assign modified lancaster specials

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RE: Very minor nitpick - 617 Squad (dambusters) experie... - 7/25/2017 9:01:16 PM

HMSWarspite

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They still had very experienced 2nd tour crews even after the losses of the Dams raid, until well into 1944. Even then they were hand picked.

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RE: Very minor nitpick - 617 Squad (dambusters) experie... - 7/25/2017 9:32:57 PM

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Although I wonder if they should be there at all - I am not sure the bombing model really allows their role to be modeled. The dams raid is before the game starts. Their following raids with the 12000lb HC (=3 blockbusters joined together) would be ok, but I am not sure the Tallboy and Grand Slam bombs would be covered properly (even if they were in the game which they don't seem to be - not sure what the 12000 DP is meant to be). In principle the use of the anti hard and anti soft ratings would cover it, but I don't know what ground targets are hard (as distinct from ground units)?

Ideally, V weapons site should have a variable hardness, UBoats in France should be harder, but most other targets should be much less affected by Tallboys.

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RE: Very minor nitpick - 617 Squad (dambusters) experie... - 7/25/2017 9:43:58 PM

Denniss

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I have them changed to 85 exp/morale, equipped with Lancaster specials which got a modifed early loadout with 4000lb bombs

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RE: Very minor nitpick - 617 Squad (dambusters) experie... - 7/25/2017 9:49:19 PM

HMSWarspite

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12000 DP is Tallboy (DP =Deep Penetration not dual purpose!), I had only seen it as a MC classification

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