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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/24/2017 9:45:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of my highest priorities - maybe the highest - is to get the B-24Js into normal range of the Home Island strategic targets. Foochow is just a tad bit too far away. Ningpo brings Kyushu and southern Honshu within range. Too, Ningpo brings my long-range fighters within range of Kyushu (and possibly as far north as Hiroshima).

My PBY Liberators bombing at normal range from Foochow (at 17, their normal range can make southern Kyushu) have been very effective. Based on that, I think the B-24Js should be effective or perhaps devastating. And those combined with the B-29s should accelerate the strategic war results dramatically.

B-29s are flying from Manila every night. That's extreme range but I'm learning and scoring a few points. The night fighters John is using haven't been very effective. To this point, I find that I'm doing better against Nagasaki, despite heavy opposition, as compared to unopposed raids over smaller bases.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/24/2017 11:58:30 PM   
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B-29s are flying from Manila every night.
I presume they will be flying form Formosa soon?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 12:12:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah. In a week, Formosa will have a level eight airfield, doubling aviation support and thus making it possible to bring in the heavies. To this point, all aviation support has been devoted to fighters needed to protect the navy left to guard Formosa in Death Star's absence.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 12:15:52 AM   
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Peep Show continues gathering assets in good order. The symphony is preparing to crescendo fortissimo, if that's possible.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 1:30:03 AM   
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Peep Show continues gathering assets in good order. The symphony is preparing to crescendo fortissimo, if that's possible.



"Odor (from hiking for days) To Joy" ?




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 3:43:23 PM   
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I was disappointed. I'd give it a 5 out of 10 or 4 out of 10. Based upon reviews and other comments, I was expecting a 9 out of 10 or higher. The filming was good, the actors were good, the music was good. The storytelling seemed disjointed, uninteresting, and unable to convey the massive scale of Dunkirk and why it was so important. Instead it was a few implausible vignettes cobbled together in uninspired fashion.




What would you say o the Thin Red Line then?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 4:49:35 PM   
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I was disappointed. I'd give it a 5 out of 10 or 4 out of 10. Based upon reviews and other comments, I was expecting a 9 out of 10 or higher. The filming was good, the actors were good, the music was good. The storytelling seemed disjointed, uninteresting, and unable to convey the massive scale of Dunkirk and why it was so important. Instead it was a few implausible vignettes cobbled together in uninspired fashion.




What would you say o the Thin Red Line then?




I thought Thin Red Line was just horrible. Can't remember any of the details as I shut it out of my mind after being so disappointed.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 5:41:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I hated it too. There seems to be a sharp divergence in how people view Thin Red Line. A respectable percentage of forumites really liked it (Obvert, for one). Probably a majority didn't like it.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 5:46:17 PM   
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Peep Show: Encouraging deliberate attack at Karenko today; Taichu airfield 91% to level 8. So the endgame is in sight for Formosa, when it will transition to full use as an offensive airfield.

China: John may be moving a large stack to the coast. I'm a bit nervous, because my army in his target hex is low on supply. I have to maintain status quo for about another week until Death Star (the sheriff) arrives and imposes order throughout this theater. In the meantime, if weather cooperates, Allied 4EB are ready to hit anything that pops up in a coastal base.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 6:00:36 PM   
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Death Star is making its way to Manila. KB South is within striking distance, if John is thinking that way. It's possible but unlikely that KB North is within striking distance.





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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 6:28:50 PM   
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I was disappointed. I'd give it a 5 out of 10 or 4 out of 10. Based upon reviews and other comments, I was expecting a 9 out of 10 or higher. The filming was good, the actors were good, the music was good. The storytelling seemed disjointed, uninteresting, and unable to convey the massive scale of Dunkirk and why it was so important. Instead it was a few implausible vignettes cobbled together in uninspired fashion.




What would you say o the Thin Red Line then?




I thought Thin Red Line was just horrible. Can't remember any of the details as I shut it out of my mind after being so disappointed.

Me too.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 9:30:32 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 10:38:46 PM   
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Yeah, I hated it too. There seems to be a sharp divergence in how people view Thin Red Line. A respectable percentage of forumites really liked it (Obvert, for one). Probably a majority didn't like it.

I agree with you. Having read the book when I was in my teens, I expected something more about desperate and beleaguered men fighting an implacable enemy rather than an artsy "war is bad for nature" film. It was so slow in pacing I fell asleep watching it.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 10:44:53 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 10:45:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you think he might be putting more troops on Mindanao to try take back that lone base you have there?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/25/2017 10:49:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think so. He's probably fear that I'd turn Mindanao into another Luzon or Formosa. The two units I have there are 2/3rds of a very good Aussie division. They can hold against a lot.

...but I've recently considered pulling them out (the other third is at Beaufort on Borneo). The division is 100% prepped for Shanghai. I don't foresee ever attending to Mindanao unless everything else is taken already and I'm just gobbling up the map while the Empire teeters.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 12:06:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hated the Thin Red Line as well, bad acting, lack of action. I heard that the editing of Dunkirk was based on on the Beach 7 days the soldiers view, on the sea 1 day the sailors view and in the air 1 hour the pilots view and they run at the same time. That editing directing decision might be the cause of the disjointed aspect of the final product. I am looking forward to seeing it soon.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 3:13:07 AM   
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USN sub dampens enemy carrier strength just a bit, while Death Star continues to make the long journey back to Manila.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 3:18:58 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 3:34:04 AM   
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John is coming in coastal China; he's pretty jazzed, judging by his body language. It's an important little campaign that will turn on weather, Allied air power, and the exact date of arrival of Death Star.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 5:17:26 AM   
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Battle of Chaochow: Stakes are pretty high here. John has a chance to beat up an American division. At the moment, though, there is a viable retreat path, so I don't think destruction is possible. On the flip side, if the 4EB fly on time (good weather) against John's stack, he's going to see yet another army get clobbered. It's possible that the tables could turn completely in a few days: Allied army resupplied (when Death Star arrives) goes after badly beat up enemy army.

So lots at stake here.






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 8:27:59 AM   
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John may be moving a large stack to the coast. I'm a bit nervous, because my army in his target hex is low on supply
BTW, where are your transport aircraft? MAybe too late here but if you can get a bunch in you can airlift supply

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 8:51:28 AM   
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Yeah, I hated it too. There seems to be a sharp divergence in how people view Thin Red Line. A respectable percentage of forumites really liked it (Obvert, for one). Probably a majority didn't like it.


In my personal rating, The Thin Red Line is best war movie I've ever seen, by far. Two or three levels higher than save private ryan, for example .

My measuring meter, as well as yours I figure, is realism. In this I find that film over any other, by far .

Had it been shooted at Guadalcanal , on the Austin (?) mountain hill and on Lunga Point, as it in first intentions to be done but then discarded due to the prohibitive costs, then that would had been the ultimate of the ultimates.

+, its beauty. because is beautiful.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 11:08:55 AM   
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Open, coastal terrain hex.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 1:01:48 PM   
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I have to maintain status quo for about another week until Death Star (the sheriff) arrives and imposes order throughout this theater.


If Death Star is The Sheriff, does that make KB Superman?






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 1:31:18 PM   
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No AA in that stack moving towards you, except for what is inherent in the the Tank Divisions.

Open, coastal terrain hex.


I've long had the impression that John really went all-in to protect the Home Islands from strategic bombing, going back to late '43. He has tons of fighters posted there plus a lot of his AA. As a result of the decisions he made, he left too many forward areas without adequate AA, hastening his losses in Burma, Indochina, Luzon, Formosa and China. He probably would do things differently if he had it to do over again.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 1:32:24 PM   
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Death Star closing on Luzon....and at Manila, all troops for the next phase are loaded aboard transports.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 1:38:34 PM   
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Peep Show II: Movement dots raise the possibility that John is re-thinking his plans to besiege Chaochow. I hope that's the case but I'm still preparing for the siege.

On Formosa, two US divisions will attack at Karenko tomorrow. The enemy stack seems very worn down and about ready to give it up.





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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 2:35:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your Formosa campaign went much faster than I've seen up to this point. John still really needs to get a handle of defensive tactics - though, his use of the KB has been much restrained over the past months of gameplay.

Any chance that you'll be able to pounce on these divided sections at some point in the future?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/26/2017 6:37:46 PM   
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I'm hoping to lull John into accepting as a matter of course the slow, deliberate pace of Death Star as it always (always!) sticks close to the merchantmen it is shepherding here or there. I've been doing it just that way for more than a year now. Never deviating. Never leaving the merchantmen behind. Never using flank speed. Never doing anything unexpected.

One of these days, Death Star will escort a group of empties that are nothing more than decoys. Then, if something juicy turns up, Death Star will do the unexpected and radically pounce.

Other than that one possibility, the only thing I know to do is to keep applying pressure in John's heartland so that he faces a Hobson's Choice: commit KB against Death Star or risk a gasping, wheezing death by increments in which KB is either irrelevant or eventually whittled down in rather hopeless Banzai attacks or rather meaningless battles on the fringes.

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