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OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 9:17:41 AM   
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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 9:25:28 AM   
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Nice - which ones would the ships behind her be?

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 11:52:24 AM   
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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 1:04:45 PM   
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Here's my guesses on the flattops. No guesses on the BBs.




Great picture,thanks for sharing. Do you know what the large cylindrical drum is at the bottom right of the island? It located between some circular antennas.

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 1:43:15 PM   
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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 1:58:53 PM   
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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 2:12:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Akagi at Staring Bay on March 26, 1942. She has just left Celebes Is. for the Attack on Colombo, the rest of the Kido Butai are with her."


https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/115036-color-pics-of-h%C5%8Dsh%C5%8D-akagi-and-kaga-image-heavy/

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 2:16:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		1-"Aircraft carrier Akagi shortly after leaving Port Stirling, Celebes for the Indian Ocean, 26 March 1942. Note other carriers and battleships (probably the 4 ships of the Kongo-class) in the background."

2-"flight deck scene HIJMS Akagi in 1942.

Unusual colourised photo of Akagi(Above), clearly showing splinter protection to the bridge area. It is slightly confusing, I know, but this is a view looking AFT along the flight deck, Akagi being rare in having her island on the port side. There is a very powerful force of ships astern of Akagi in this photo, with four other carriers and four capital ships visible. The second carrier, the one immediately ahead of the four battleships, also has a port side island, which identifies her as Hiryu. I am assuming this photo was taken during the preparations for the operation intended to destroy the remainder of the US fleet and capture Midway, which took place in June 1942. Akagi and Hiryu were both among the Japanese carriers lost at Midway."


3-"Photograph taken from the deck of Akagi, the rest of the carriers, from left to right, are: Kaga, Shokaku, Zuikaku, Hiryu ..."

4-"Other ships visible:

CarDiv 2 (Soryu, Hiryu)
3rd Battleship Squadron (Kongo, Haruna, Hiei, Kirishima)
CarDiv 5 (Shokaku, Zuikaku)"


https://nl.pinterest.com/pin/769130442581564408/



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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 2:35:22 PM   
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http://www.combinedfleet.com/chokai_t.htm
(CHOKAI at target practice in 1938)




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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 3:34:40 PM   
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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 6:37:58 PM   
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"Cruiser Chōkai firing her 120 and 203mm guns against Allied ships during the Indian ocean raid, minutes later she sank the American freighter Bienville, and later on, the British steamship Ganges."



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The caption on the picture suggests otherwise - that this is from 1938. The Combined Fleet website states that this is a gunnery exercise in that year too.


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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 6:49:49 PM   
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"Cruiser Chōkai firing her 120 and 203mm guns against Allied ships during the Indian ocean raid, minutes later she sank the American freighter Bienville, and later on, the British steamship Ganges."


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The caption on the picture suggests otherwise - that this is from 1938. The Combined Fleet website states that this is a gunnery exercise in that year too.





That's why I posted that pic... error? ; as with the 4 statements on the other pic. For analysis, even of mistakes.

http://www.ww2incolor.com/japan/4e89d4a5.html
https://www.pinterest.se/pin/320881542186735389/

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 6:57:52 PM   
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https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/OnlineLibrary/photos/sh-fornv/japan/japsh-c/chokai2.htm




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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/20/2017 10:12:03 PM   
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Range Finder - Fire Direction/Control Station I guess, for the AA...

That "drum like structure" looks like a larger version of the searchlight just above it - presumably to light up the flight deck for night ops.

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 2:37:49 AM   
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Range Finder - Fire Direction/Control Station I guess, for the AA...

That "drum like structure" looks like a larger version of the searchlight just above it - presumably to light up the flight deck for night ops.

Thanks for answering. I'm retired Army, still learning about ships.

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 2:22:00 PM   
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1-"Aircraft carrier Akagi shortly after leaving Port Stirling, Celebes for the Indian Ocean, 26 March 1942. Note other carriers and battleships (probably the 4 ships of the Kongo-class) in the background."

2-"flight deck scene HIJMS Akagi in 1942.

Unusual colourised photo of Akagi(Above), clearly showing splinter protection to the bridge area. It is slightly confusing, I know, but this is a view looking AFT along the flight deck, Akagi being rare in having her island on the port side. There is a very powerful force of ships astern of Akagi in this photo, with four other carriers and four capital ships visible. The second carrier, the one immediately ahead of the four battleships, also has a port side island, which identifies her as Hiryu. I am assuming this photo was taken during the preparations for the operation intended to destroy the remainder of the US fleet and capture Midway, which took place in June 1942. Akagi and Hiryu were both among the Japanese carriers lost at Midway."


3-"Photograph taken from the deck of Akagi, the rest of the carriers, from left to right, are: Kaga, Shokaku, Zuikaku, Hiryu ..."

4-"Other ships visible:

CarDiv 2 (Soryu, Hiryu)
3rd Battleship Squadron (Kongo, Haruna, Hiei, Kirishima)
CarDiv 5 (Shokaku, Zuikaku)"


https://nl.pinterest.com/pin/769130442581564408/



If this was taken March 26, 1942 at Staring Bay Java, then Kaga couldn't be in this photo. She was at Sasebo, about to enter drydock on March 27.

Based on the low freeboard profiles of the two left-most carriers, I'd have to agree that they are Soryu and Hiryu, with Shokaku/Zuikaku bringing up the rear. The heavies do indeed appear to be the four Kongo class of BatDiv3.

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 4:24:28 PM   
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1-"Aircraft carrier Akagi shortly after leaving Port Stirling, Celebes for the Indian Ocean, 26 March 1942. Note other carriers and battleships (probably the 4 ships of the Kongo-class) in the background."

2-"flight deck scene HIJMS Akagi in 1942.

Unusual colourised photo of Akagi(Above), clearly showing splinter protection to the bridge area. It is slightly confusing, I know, but this is a view looking AFT along the flight deck, Akagi being rare in having her island on the port side. There is a very powerful force of ships astern of Akagi in this photo, with four other carriers and four capital ships visible. The second carrier, the one immediately ahead of the four battleships, also has a port side island, which identifies her as Hiryu. I am assuming this photo was taken during the preparations for the operation intended to destroy the remainder of the US fleet and capture Midway, which took place in June 1942. Akagi and Hiryu were both among the Japanese carriers lost at Midway."


3-"Photograph taken from the deck of Akagi, the rest of the carriers, from left to right, are: Kaga, Shokaku, Zuikaku, Hiryu ..."

4-"Other ships visible:

CarDiv 2 (Soryu, Hiryu)
3rd Battleship Squadron (Kongo, Haruna, Hiei, Kirishima)
CarDiv 5 (Shokaku, Zuikaku)"


https://nl.pinterest.com/pin/769130442581564408/



If this was taken March 26, 1942 at Staring Bay Java, then Kaga couldn't be in this photo. She was at Sasebo, about to enter drydock on March 27.

Based on the low freeboard profiles of the two left-most carriers, I'd have to agree that they are Soryu and Hiryu, with Shokaku/Zuikaku bringing up the rear. The heavies do indeed appear to be the four Kongo class of BatDiv3.



For those who think the first two carriers are the Soryu and Hiryu ..... Why are the Islands on different sides of each vessel ? Unless the second one is traveling in the opposite direction to ram the battlewagon ;>




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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 4:51:33 PM   
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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 5:02:50 PM   
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Huh? Soryu and Hiryu are not sister ships. Soryu had the island to starboard.



Actually they were sister ships of the Soryu class .... Odd, they made such a radical change as to the Island .... I'm guess somebody misread the plans during construction .... ;>




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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 5:04:09 PM   
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If this was taken March 26, 1942 at Staring Bay Java, then Kaga couldn't be in this photo. She was at Sasebo, about to enter drydock on March 27.

Based on the low freeboard profiles of the two left-most carriers, I'd have to agree that they are Soryu and Hiryu, with Shokaku/Zuikaku bringing up the rear. The heavies do indeed appear to be the four Kongo class of BatDiv3.



For those who think the first two carriers are the Soryu and Hiryu ..... Why are the Islands on different sides of each vessel ? Unless the second one is traveling in the opposite direction to ram the battlewagon ;>




Because like Akagi (pictured), Hiryu also had her island on the port (left) side of the ship... So she is indeed NOT sailing backwards to ram the battlewagon.

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 5:12:46 PM   
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Huh? Soryu and Hiryu are not sister ships. Soryu had the island to starboard.
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They were sort of half sisters.


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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 5:19:13 PM   
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Huh? Soryu and Hiryu are not sister ships. Soryu had the island to starboard.



Actually they were sister ships of the Soryu class .... Odd, they made such a radical change as to the Island .... I'm guess somebody misread the plans during construction .... ;>




They are NOT sisters. Hiryu was built to a heavily modified Soryu design, making her a "semi-sister" maybe.

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 5:19:50 PM   
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Wnst Soryu the first Japanese purpose build carrier ?

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 5:22:33 PM   
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What sort of like Cinders and Druzella/Anastasia?





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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 5:23:21 PM   
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Wnst Soryu the first Japanese purpose build carrier ?
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Yes, the first designed from the keel up. Hosho is sometimes given this award, but she wasn't designed as a pure carrier originally - but a part seaplane carrier.


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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 5:27:24 PM   
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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 6:33:25 PM   
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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 6:56:30 PM   
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What sort of like Cinders and Druzella/Anastasia?





This looks more like Shokaku and Zuikaku with ugly little Shoho on their way to Coral Sea.

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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 7:06:27 PM   
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What sort of like Cinders and Druzella/Anastasia?





This looks more like Shokaku and Zuikaku with ugly little Shoho on their way to Coral Sea.
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What!!!????!!!! I trust you are not calling the delectable Lily James ugly Grafin?

This picture calls to mind HMS Illustrious and Lexington and Kaga. FACT.






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RE: OT: Inedited picture of Japan Navy Power at Sea - 8/21/2017 8:32:56 PM   
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I'm guess somebody misread the plans during construction .... ;>


No, the island on the opposite side was an intentional design to see if the ships would operate more efficiently when working in tandem.

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