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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 10:02:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you want to be careful to have the destination classes be convert to only so they can't switch them out on demand, but I like it.

One of my major beefs with playing Japan is that historical 12/7 locations of ships/LCU/iar groups make day 1 moves by the JFB more difficult. I have to contend with historical deployments even if they do not make sense for the plan I intend to follow. The First turn movement bonus mitigates that somewhat, but not enough.

I'm not a fan of more than 1 port attack/Meirsing gambit/deep invasions. However, I'd love to have more flexibility with opening plans. One thing I know a lot of JFB's spend time fighting is prewar AK/AP positioning. We can spend two weeks of largely pointless effort collecting ships of certain classes together. Would be nice to just dump all uncommitted AK/AP in one of Osaka/Hiroshima/tokyo/etc. Having all LCU not in their co0mmand area (Southern Army troops in Home Islands for example) set to Strat Mode so I could at least move them in the direction I want them to go on Turn 1.

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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 10:29:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have done a lot of merchant shipping around from pre-war starts. Most of the Tanker Fleet is in places that MAKE SENSE. Can continue along the lines of basing AKs in more appropriate places. Even if another 100-200 get moved to places making sense it would certainly help.

Am going to work on some CL possibilities now...

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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 10:32:08 PM   
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I think you want to be careful to have the destination classes be convert to only so they can't switch them out on demand, but I like it.
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Agreed.


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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 10:42:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. Let us show the current classes. Here is the Tenryu-Class Minelayer:





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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 10:45:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		In 12/42 they are allowed to convert to a CLAA. Stats:





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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 10:48:17 PM   
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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 10:49:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		In August 42 they are allowed to convert to a CLAA:





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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 10:52:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		As Darnerys Stormborn looks on, here are the Kitakami TT Leaders (Kitakami, Oi, and Kiso):




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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 10:54:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		So....by BTSL, we have seven older cruisers with four of the starting as ML with the opportunity to become CLAA in Fall/Late-42. The other three begin life as TT Launchers.

The Tenryu/Kuma-Class seem to be too small to be effective AA cruisers. Have always felt the CLAA UPgrade is too much for their small hulls.

Do we look to mold the four oldest ML/CL into those Convoy/ASW Escort Leaders? They are mighty useful as Minelayers and Troop haulers...


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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 11:04:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have sometimes wondered about the Japanese simply making those four old CLs into the ML and leave them there but then look to build more of the experimental Yubari-Class. They serve as a nice Destroyer Leader. If they did a run of 3-4 more of these ships, would they make for what we're talking about?

Yubari Stats:






Got to watch out for Drogon's FIRE!


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RE: Updated Mods - 8/21/2017 11:06:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm done for a bit. What do people think?


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RE: Updated Mods - 8/22/2017 4:51:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, took a good look at displacement, gun weights, etc. Here are a few thoughts:

1. CL Yubari was an experimental ship and a test bed of several new technologies. As such, I do not know if other ships of the class would be built. It was also the smallest of the lot. That being said,

- If others were to be built, I'd suggest 3x additional ships in the class, for a total of 4.
- It would make a decent destroyer leader, if enough DC's are fitted.
- At some point the B and Y turrets could be replaced by double AA turrets (12.7 cm DP from larger ships, maybe?).

2. CL/CM Tenryu look good in CM configuration. Perhaps an upgrade with increased AA as some point. It is true these hulls are small for AA, but lets face it, Japanese naval AA is not a strength, but a weakness.

- Weightwise 4x double 12.7 cm or 10 cm turrets seem to be doable. Length of barrels is shorter, so that should not be a problem either.
- Another option would be to let them keep their cargo capacity and give them more torpedo tubes... if the triple tubes could be found somewhere, or if something would be deducted from the force pools (tanks? small ships?).

3. CL/CM Kuma are the largest of the three classes. I happen to like them, in either torpedo or AA configurations. I am not as keen on their CM configuration.

- If enough torpedo turrets could be made, having all five configured as torpedo cruisers would be fearsome. There would have to be a cost for this to be paid somehow, though.
- Weight would allow their 14 cm guns to be replaced for double AA turrets at some point.
- Whatever armament is decided on, keeping the cargo capacity makes for an interesting little ship with (possibly) big teeth.

Just a few random thoughts. I am no naval engineer, so I don't know how much weight the different calibers add or subtract in ammo and other weight (and hull space).

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RE: Updated Mods - 8/22/2017 1:30:04 PM   
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I'm done for a bit. What do people think?


I think you have very interesting wallpaper.

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RE: Updated Mods - 8/22/2017 5:43:57 PM   
John 3rd


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quote:

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I'm done for a bit. What do people think?


I think you have very interesting wallpaper.


Damn straight! I'll Post today's next!


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RE: Updated Mods - 8/22/2017 5:45:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ship Type question. Why, for the same-sized ship, do the Type-C and Type-D escorts have such a difference in range?


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RE: Updated Mods - 8/22/2017 5:47:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is today's wallpaper. I rotate about 15 different ones...





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RE: Updated Mods - 8/22/2017 6:14:58 PM   
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Ship Type question. Why, for the same-sized ship, do the Type-C and Type-D escorts have such a difference in range?


I think it has to do with C-Type having two shafts geared at 1900 hp, while the D-Type had one shaft geared at 2500 hp. The D-Type was also slightly faster, which usually means burning more fuel.

I could be totally wrong, though.

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RE: Updated Mods - 8/22/2017 6:33:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Who knows which of the various scenario files applies to the ship classes and specific ships?




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RE: Updated Mods - 8/22/2017 6:34:10 PM   
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Ship Type question. Why, for the same-sized ship, do the Type-C and Type-D escorts have such a difference in range?


I think it has to do with C-Type having two shafts geared at 1900 hp, while the D-Type had one shaft geared at 2500 hp. The D-Type was also slightly faster, which usually means burning more fuel.

I could be totally wrong, though.


Makes some sense. Thanks.


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RE: Updated Mods - 8/22/2017 7:09:30 PM   
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Who knows which of the various scenario files applies to the ship classes and specific ships?




I believe wpc is ship CLASSSES and wps is individual SHIPS

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RE: Updated Mods - 8/22/2017 8:12:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another possibility for the old CL/ML would to make them more Fast Transports and keep enough weapons for defense. Outfit with DP guns and double to triple their troop capacity. No TT and limited small AA.

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RE: Updated Mods - 8/23/2017 3:49:20 AM   
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Another possibility for the old CL/ML would to make them more Fast Transports and keep enough weapons for defense. Outfit with DP guns and double to triple their troop capacity. No TT and limited small AA.


This is a very interesting scenario too.

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RE: Updated Mods - 8/23/2017 5:30:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could turn them into the Chitose Class that way. As is, presently, the Kuma's carry up to 400 troops and the Tenryu have 300. Put the four together and your carrying 1,400 men on a single trip. Pretty useful if you ask me.


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RE: Updated Mods - 8/23/2017 9:30:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think we have gotten the shipping straitened out with BTS.

Changes:
1. Deleted the 20+ Matsu Second-Class DDs in favor of 7 late-war Yugumo, 7 Moon-Class DD (Akitsuki), and 4 Shimakaze.

2. Streamlined the ASW warship construction by deleting all Matsuwa, Mikura, Hiburi, and Ukuru-Class ships. They are replaced by an early version of the Okinawa-Class that then upgrades to the original Okinawa design that is in the game. Will Post a screenshot of that in a while.

3. Going on the comment made earlier regarding the small building run of the Japanese 40MM AA gun, any Japanese cruiser or larger with an upgrade in late-44 will gain a FEW of these guns. Roughly half of all Japanese CL+ have the opportunity to upgrade in 9--10--11--12/44 so this provides a small opportunity for these more effective weapons. How effective? Pends on what is still floating in late-44!

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RE: Updated Mods - 8/23/2017 9:33:47 PM   
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RE: Updated Mods - 8/23/2017 9:36:06 PM   
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RE: Updated Mods - 8/23/2017 9:38:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a 40MM Upgrade example for Hiryu:





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RE: Updated Mods - 8/23/2017 9:40:58 PM   
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RE: Updated Mods - 8/23/2017 10:32:55 PM   
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RE: Updated Mods - 8/23/2017 10:45:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did some literal counting of 40MM tubes and decided to apply that number to the Fleet.


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