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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 2:28:20 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 3:00:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I heard from John late last night (or early this a.m.) that he is enjoying the end-game despite all that's going on. He seems committed to seeing it through. That's good news! In response to my email comment that the game is probably drawing towards its conclusion, he wrote: "We’ll both know when it is over!" That sounds to me like he's working himself into the right frame of mind to attack. I hope so. I think he'll really feel better about the whole thing if he goes down fighting rather than with a whimper.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 5:35:28 PM   
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I think he'll really feel better about the whole thing if he goes down fighting rather than with a whimper.


Agree completely -- once the overall outcome is no longer in doubt, it's much, much more fun to go down fighting hard.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 6:55:08 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 7:33:50 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 8:34:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's my scintillating eclipse report: The eclipse was about 97% here with sunny skies.  I took a long mountain bike ride - one of my usual routes on dirt roads near Lavender Mountain.  Some of the roads were open and some in woodlands.  The latter had the deepest shadows by 2:30, but the shadows contrasted strongly with the patches of sunlight, which were still quite evident even at the peak of the eclipse.  I'd never ride that particular route at 2 on an August afternoon, but it was pretty comfortable and the evening birds and the crickets began calling.  IE, I enjoyed the outing....but it really wasn't any kind of spectacular event.  People had really gotten worked up over everything, including schools letting out at 11 a.m. this morning.  Probably 97% of the people who got worked up about it ended up saying, "That's it?"

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 8:43:04 PM   
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Back to our regularly scheduled game.

KB: Two enemy carrier divisions accounted for - one in the Marianas and one in the Makassar Strait. Both northbound, probably heading to the Home Islands. ...and decisive battle?




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 8:55:17 PM   
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Carriers Way Out Here? Regular readers know that two carrier divisions are believed to be in the DEI...and that I've wondered whether John might raid merchant shipping in the Bay of Bengal. Surely he won't....but this is John III.

Today a picket sub reported a Judy west of Sabang. This is probably a carrier-borne scout plane. John could be monkeying with me or this could be the real thing. If the latter, he could scrub the mission if he concludes he can't achieve surprise. But he's not a tame lion; he's a stubborn one; he might just pull the trigger.





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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 9:10:07 PM   
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Fancy Pants: Successful secondary attack on the right flank today; successful attack in the center today; tomorrow key major attacks on the left and right. I think the one on the right will succeed, blowing up one of John's best units. If so, the right turns into a vortex of destruction.

And, on the Japanese MLR near Changsha, the Chinese will shock attack tomorrow, building on today's 4EB strike, the first of the war in that sector.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 10:06:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good to see you applying pressure on the Chinese MLR. I know you wanted to keep the status quo there to occupy Johns troops. But I think cutting the main roads in a few spots will trap many of his troops in a vulnerable position and will create even more space for your troops on the coast.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 10:13:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		That was a great move to target your 4EB on the base west of Changsha. I'll bet John didn't see that one coming. Would be really cool to blow a hole in his line.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 10:46:06 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 11:18:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Several readers have urged me to do something in China: attack, bomb, make things happen.

I've briefly explained why I was forbearing, but here's a more detailed answer that might interest some readers, especially newer players.

Deciding when to attack along the MLR in China involved a lot of factors and turned on a gut feeling as to when the time was right.

Attacking jungle hexes wasn't going to work, so I'd have to come out into clear terrain where my bombers could get a crack at vulnerable enemy troops. But moving into the open would've given John a chance to employ his bombers against vulnerable Chinese units in open terrain. To counter that, I'd have to bring in precious fighters to provide LRCAP.

My fighters had far more important missions than providing LRCAP over Chinese or Japanese hexes. So I waited until the front was "on fire." John has so many major issues in China now that bombing Chinese units is probably a relatively low priority. But even if he does, the situation is so confusing - so rattling - that I want to overwhelm him with dilemmas.

That's why I waited so very long to release the Chinese to attack. Other strategies might've worked too, but this feels "right" to me.

Let's see how it develops.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/21/2017 11:57:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I expect that if you put s good crack in that MLR all of China is going to be in play. Chinese divisions are infantry heavy so he needs arty, tanks and air to counter. Remember in 1942 when the Allies did not have enough of anything? Shoe is on the other foot now

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 12:35:10 AM   
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Here's my scintillating eclipse report:


My wife bought those funky glasses, and it was spectacular! Only had about 75% here or so, but it was great and well worth seeing even though the occasional cloud came thru hiding the sun. But even seeing the wisps of the clouds floating by the obstructed sun and across the dark moon was a sight to see.







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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 12:37:55 AM   
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I expect that if you put s good crack in that MLR all of China is going to be in play.


China fell the moment the Allies secured Foochow or wherever it was they first landed.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 1:22:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		100% Totality for about 2 minutes. It was cool, a bucket list item checked off, but all in all, I was underwhelmed. Year and Years of watching universe/space shows on TV... I guess I was expecting something a little different.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 2:28:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

11/7/44

Back to our regularly scheduled game.

KB: Two enemy carrier divisions accounted for - one in the Marianas and one in the Makassar Strait. Both northbound, probably heading to the Home Islands. ...and decisive battle?




Last time John moved carriers to the HI, wasn't it to upgrade to Sam fighters? Maybe he had to wait until pools filled again to upgrade the next batch of CVs.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 3:28:58 AM   
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Y'all have a good one.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 7:53:32 AM   
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100% Totality for about 2 minutes. It was cool, a bucket list item checked off, but all in all, I was underwhelmed. Year and Years of watching universe/space shows on TV... I guess I was expecting something a little different.



Really? I got right on the path of max totality and I while nothing happened that I wasn't really expecting, I thought it was spectacular.

The glow around the horizon had a color tone that I don't think I've ever seen in nature before and had me wondering of the word "umbra" and the name for the color "umber" are related (look it up later). And, the... shimmering isn't quite the right word but I'm at a loss for a better one, of Sol's corona was magical.

I could feel the heat of the sun on my skin falling off as totality approached.

And, it was impossible to watch the eclipse and not be reminded of that I was sharing an experience that had amazed, astounded and terrified humanity for perhaps 200,000 years.

Can't wait for the next one in 2024.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 11:53:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		My wife and I are in Wyoming enjoying Yellowstone and the Grand Teatons parks this week. Staying in Jackson I hauled my 58 year old posterior up a mountain for a total of 8,000 ft (started at 6,300 in Jackson) above sea level and a view of some of the most spectacular landscape on earth. 100 % deep, clear blue sky with unlimited visibility. Absolute magic. At totality it is like someone turned off a light switch. The stars came out and the blue of the suns atmosphere crackling around the moon was a color I have never seen before. When the sun came back out like a diamond at the 1 O'clock position there was an almost primal sensation of joy that the light had returned. Weird and wonderful.
Today is off to the Grand Teatons and a wildlife guided tour in the late afternoon. Seen a few moose and herds and herds of Buffalo so far

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 1:47:38 PM   
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100% Totality for about 2 minutes. It was cool, a bucket list item checked off, but all in all, I was underwhelmed. Year and Years of watching universe/space shows on TV... I guess I was expecting something a little different.



Really? I got right on the path of max totality and I while nothing happened that I wasn't really expecting, I thought it was spectacular.

The glow around the horizon had a color tone that I don't think I've ever seen in nature before and had me wondering of the word "umbra" and the name for the color "umber" are related (look it up later). And, the... shimmering isn't quite the right word but I'm at a loss for a better one, of Sol's corona was magical.

I could feel the heat of the sun on my skin falling off as totality approached.

And, it was impossible to watch the eclipse and not be reminded of that I was sharing an experience that had amazed, astounded and terrified humanity for perhaps 200,000 years.

Can't wait for the next one in 2024.


Honestly, I’m not exactly sure why I felt that way. I love space stuff and universe stuff and stars/galaxies/planetary conjunctions and so on, try to see all that I can (my favorites: Meteor showers, looking at the Milky Way, and absolute #1 is the Northern Lights)… I think it was that so many of these space shows had these spacegeeks talking about how “life changing totality is/was for me” that I think my expectations were a lot higher. I don’t want to take away from the total awesomeness that it was… but I think I had “life changing” expectations that were unmet.

I liked the crescent shaped shadows (have a few pics of it), though it was neat how the temp started dropping (my wife was all “I’m going to do some yardwork, the temp’s becoming bearable”), didn’t expect the shadows shimmering right before and after the eclipse, and probably was most shocked by how much light just a sliver of the sun actually puts out. I expected a gradual darkening of the sky, not for it to switch off “like that” once totality hit.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 1:54:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AcePylut

100% Totality for about 2 minutes. It was cool, a bucket list item checked off, but all in all, I was underwhelmed. Year and Years of watching universe/space shows on TV... I guess I was expecting something a little different.



Really? I got right on the path of max totality and I while nothing happened that I wasn't really expecting, I thought it was spectacular.

The glow around the horizon had a color tone that I don't think I've ever seen in nature before and had me wondering of the word "umbra" and the name for the color "umber" are related (look it up later). And, the... shimmering isn't quite the right word but I'm at a loss for a better one, of Sol's corona was magical.

I could feel the heat of the sun on my skin falling off as totality approached.

And, it was impossible to watch the eclipse and not be reminded of that I was sharing an experience that had amazed, astounded and terrified humanity for perhaps 200,000 years.

Can't wait for the next one in 2024.

Umbra is Latin for "shadow". Hence, umbrella (little shadow).

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 3:00:15 PM   
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My wife and I are in Wyoming enjoying Yellowstone and the Grand Teatons parks this week. Staying in Jackson I hauled my 58 year old posterior up a mountain for a total of 8,000 ft (started at 6,300 in Jackson) above sea level and a view of some of the most spectacular landscape on earth. 100 % deep, clear blue sky with unlimited visibility. Absolute magic. At totality it is like someone turned off a light switch. The stars came out and the blue of the suns atmosphere crackling around the moon was a color I have never seen before. When the sun came back out like a diamond at the 1 O'clock position there was an almost primal sensation of joy that the light had returned. Weird and wonderful.
Today is off to the Grand Teatons and a wildlife guided tour in the late afternoon. Seen a few moose and herds and herds of Buffalo so far


Man... I while I thoroughly enjoyed my experience, I have to admit that after reading of yours... I'm a bit envious.

I saw it from southern Illinois, and there was enough haze that the corona lightening it up prevented me from seeing many stars.

Acepylut...

Yeah... I would agree that it wasn't "life changing". But, it was definitely a thoroughly unique experience from a number of different aspects.

And, you're totally right as to it being surprising how little of the sun has to be exposed to create the qualia of daylight and the "switch off" sensation when it was gone. It was like the corona just popped into existence.

BBfanboy... Thanks. I did get around to looking it up and it would seem that if or how the two words are related is uncertain. But, the tonal quality of the remaining light around the entire horizon (entire horizon being lit up at once... another unique aspect of the experience) definitely brought that color to mind.



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 4:26:23 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 4:51:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I know they could be LBA search aircraft. But there were no search aircraft covering these waters until just now...at the same time some of John's carrier divisions retired into the western (southern, true map) DEI. It could be a coincidence that he's suddenly employing LBA searches or it might be an indication of a pending raid. I don't know, so I have to allow for both possibilities.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 8:59:07 PM   
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KB to Raid the Bay of Bengal? I'd rate the odds at about 40% at the moment.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 9:16:21 PM   
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Fancy Pants: On the right, the Allies beat back 2nd Tank Division, which takes heavy losses. One the left, a 1:1 attack inflicts much higher losses on the Japanese. Another attack there tomorrow should bend back that front.

In the rear, the Chinese shock attack liberates a city. The Japanese MLR is intact, but there are now some weakness that I may be able to exploit, using massed Chinese troops and Allied air power.

The Japanese are in trouble in China. The outcome isn't certain yet, but we may end up with a Falaise Pocket scenario.





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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 9:38:41 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 8/22/2017 10:12:47 PM   
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The Japanese are in trouble in China. The outcome isn't certain yet, but we may end up with a Falaise Pocket scenario.



Meanwhile in Japan....




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