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RE: JLENS-Blimps - 8/17/2017 8:32:03 PM   
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Pay attention that Su-30MKK carries 6 K-31. Year ago I posted photo Su-34 with 6 Kh-31, but I got an answer that single photo not enough for DB change. But this is normal loadout for Su-27 family (Su-30, 34). I request to add this payload in the DB.

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RE: JLENS-Blimps - 8/20/2017 11:12:16 AM   
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Request for general oil recovery ship for adding flavor for scenarios. Most countries have these unarmed ships in case of oil spills. One or two general ship is enough like there is plenty of commercial ships. Thanks!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/21/2017 5:18:31 PM   
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Hi,

[DB 467]

On #581-S 6XX Suffren[Barracuda]:

1 / In open sea conditions UMS 300O Flank array max range in Database viewer & sensor max range in globe display do not correspond
DB viewer : 70 nm Max
Globe display : 40 nm Max

Should be 70 nm on globe also


2 / VLF Towed array sonar is planned for Barracuda (more advanced DSUV-62 system - yet to be named)
https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_pdf.cfm?DACH_RECNO=839
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/barracuda
http://www.defence24.com/372437,first-of-the-french-barracuda-submarines-is-ready-for-launch

baffles and detection through layers should be covered by towed array as it is for the other latest generation sub.


3 / Properties should also indicate
-Shrouded propulsor
-Nonmagnetic hull
-Shock resistant

Thanks to the team for this trumendous work !

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/26/2017 3:30:31 PM   
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I see no difference between the 2016 and 2022 French FREMM versions.

Maybe the 2022 one is supposed to be the AAW version (expected to be delivered in 2021). In this case, it should have a slightly improved radar and 16 Aster 30 instead of 16 MdCN (in addition to the common 15 Aster 15).

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/30/2017 5:37:25 PM   
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Official datasheet of the pr.22350 frigate from the "ARMY-2017" forum.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 8/31/2017 2:58:41 AM   
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USCGC MORGENTHAU WHEC 722 transferred to Vietnam as CSB 8020 May 2017 .

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RE: Beidou Messaging - 9/1/2017 9:03:49 AM   
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Suggestion: add Beidou (BPS) Messaging as a satellite-based comm-link.

https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/Staff%20Report_China%27s%20Alternative%20to%20GPS%20and%20Implications%20for%20the%20United%20States.pdf

quote:

Beidou’s development thus far indicates several key political objectives as well. China’s leadership views its efforts in space as providing both domestic and international prestige,43 and the development of one of the world’s first satellite navigation systems is likely seen as a main contributor in this regard. Officials have been quick to tout occasions in which receivers in various fields utilize “China’s own Beidou system.”44 One 2015 state-run media report emphasized that 98 percent of the components in the newest Beidou satellites were made in China, with international commenters noting that this domestic sourcing demonstrated China’s status as a leading space power.45 At the technical level, Beidou offers a short messaging service through which messages of up to 120 characters can be sent to other Beidou receivers, unlike GPS.46 Via this service, Chinese fishing vessels are reportedly able to sound “instant alarms” to fishing departments when emergencies arise, while a supplementary “vessel management system” allows them to request assistance from nearby vessels.47 This feature is particularly relevant to the ongoing disputes in the South China Sea, where fishing rights are at stake and where China’s maritime militia—a quasi- military force of fishermen that are tasked by and report to the PLA—plays a key role in advancing Beijing’s claims.48 The international cooperation opportunities provided by Beidou have also become a tool for Beijing to use within its larger foreign policy approach, as discussed further below.


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RE: Beidou Messaging - 9/5/2017 11:17:01 AM   
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JF-17 plane for Pakistani Air Force
Here is some suggestion according to latest sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder
https://defence.pk/
http://quwa.org/2015/08/30/jf-17-iii-jf-17-block-3/


For all versions
Agility 3,5 (like Mig-21 bis) ?
Add chaff/flare dispenser

Block II
Add surface search radar
Possibility to carry new WMD-7 targeting pods

Block III
Add MAW, part of a new EW suite
Add AESA radar
Add HMD
Add generic IRST, like J-10B
Maybe PL-10 AAM
Possibility to employ ECM pod
Possibility to carry new WMD-7 targeting pods

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UGST for russian submarines - 9/7/2017 8:24:45 AM   
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Basing on information from this two posts, please add UGST to loadout of russian submarines.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4341033
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4341067

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RE: UGST for russian submarines - 9/7/2017 12:36:08 PM   
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Playing the scenario SPANISH GUINEA I saw that the database for SH-3 Sea King (#1934) shows pictures of two different helicopters:one bigger image which looks like S-70 and one smaller which is similar to Sea King.I noted that this happens generally with Spanish SH3 helos in DB 3000.
Also we could look into the possibility of adding AIM-9 to Greek RF-4E loadout.I know that they carried Sidewinders (sometimes?).

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RE: UGST for russian submarines - 9/8/2017 6:28:51 PM   
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Please add hit-to-kill capability to Aster 15 and Aster 30 missiles (weapons #133, 134 and 578). They have a divert system (called-PIF-PAF) enabling terminal high-g maneuver for ballistic missile interception, and have demonstrated the capability in 3 tests:

http://spacenews.com/french-air-force-intercepts-israeli-target-missile/
http://forcesoperations.com/sampt-successfully-destroy-ballistic-missile/

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Project Resolve - Interim AOR - RCN - MV Asterix - 9/9/2017 2:03:55 AM   
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Specs: http://federalfleet.ca/2016/07/01/test/

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RE: Project Resolve - Interim AOR - RCN - MV Asterix - 9/20/2017 4:19:32 PM   
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Consider sensor update for Sea Hunter (ACTUV). Please see links below.

-hull mounted long range mid frequency active-passive sonar (Modular Scalable Sonar System (MS3))
-High frequency mine detecting sonar
-Advanced electro-optical/infrared (EO/IR) sensor

http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsraytheon-delivers-modular-scalable-sonar-system-for-darpas-actuv-programme-4732269
https://defensesystems.com/articles/2017/05/04/seahunter.aspx?m=1

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RE: Project Resolve - Interim AOR - RCN - MV Asterix - 9/21/2017 1:03:10 AM   
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We have the Concorde in the DB, so how about the Tu-144 maybe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-144

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RE: Project Resolve - Interim AOR - RCN - MV Asterix - 9/21/2017 6:27:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owllord

We have the Concorde in the DB, so how about the Tu-144 maybe?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-144

If yes, Y-10 should be added too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Y-10

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RE: Project Resolve - Interim AOR - RCN - MV Asterix - 9/22/2017 3:52:56 AM   
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Can you edit the Weapon - #1308 AS-17 Krypton B [Kh-31AD, ASM]
to have a Warhead 110kg
and any other specification based on
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/511/565/
http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/H-31AD.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/x31a/x31a.shtml
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5-31

And Weapon - #1307 AS-17 Krypton D [Kh-31PD, ARM]
to have also Warhead 110kg
plus specification based on
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production_eng/323/511/565/
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/x31p/x31p.shtml
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A5-31

Thanks Before

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/23/2017 11:47:05 AM   
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quote:

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Both versions of the 23mm Gsh-23M gun mount carried on the various versions of the Backfire (Twin 600 rnds x 2 on the -B's and 1200 rnds on the -C's) have chaff/flare salvos listed as the weapons carried instead of gun bursts.



This is by design:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryazev-Shipunov_GSh-23

"Tail turrets of the Tupolev Tu-22M bomber and some late-model Tu-95s. In that application, it had the unusual ability to fire infrared flares and chaff rounds, allowing it to function as both a weapon and a dispenser of anti-missile countermeasures."

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/23/2017 11:51:14 AM   
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Fixed DB v469, thanks.

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ORIGINAL: Filitch

3M14 Kalibr (SS-N-30) has front RCS 0,44 sqm. Any *RM-109 Tomahawk (up to Block IV) has front RCS 0,22 sqm. Twofold. Same generation, same dimensions. Twofold.
Any ideas?



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/23/2017 12:00:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: emsoy

Fixed DB v469, thanks.


Thanks!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/23/2017 5:24:05 PM   
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About the suggerence of Tu-144, this is an useful and great web site: http://www.tu144sst.com/

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/25/2017 6:18:33 AM   
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Reconsideration of SC-19/SC-29/HQ-19 to have ABM capability is required (in CoW only ASAT function):

http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/1202166/chinas-hq-19-hit-to-kill-interceptor/
http://www.eastpendulum.com/un-nouveau-bataillon-chinois-de-hq-19-ou-de-s-400 (French)
http://www.eastpendulum.com/quand-un-pilote-de-boeing-747-rencontre-un-missile-chinois-en-plein-vol (French)

Contradictory:
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/china-carries-flight-test-anti-satellite-missile/amp/ (Mentioned as DN-3)

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USAF F-16 SLEP - 9/25/2017 9:17:57 AM   
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http://www.janes.com/article/69515/usaf-approves-f-16-airframe-life-extension
http://www.janes.com/article/71414/usaf-increases-scope-of-f-16-slep-to-include-more-aircraft-and-airframe-hours


USAF progresses SABR AESA radar integration onto F-16
http://www.janes.com/article/69080/usaf-progresses-sabr-aesa-radar-integration-onto-f-16

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/1/2017 4:06:02 AM   
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Hi there! I would like to make some corrections on the database regarding my country's armed forces (and request the addition of some units). My question is, how "sourced" do they have to be? I have the information, but some of it is in Portuguese only, and the english info is in sites like wikipedia.

Also, can I request adding some airbases and radar stations from my country (Portugal)? What would I need to give you for that to happen?

In the meantime, I'd like to sugest some corrections, mainly misspelled ship names:

#655 – A 5210 Berrio [Rover Class]
- It should be “Bérrio” instead of “Berrio”

#2623 – F 333 Bartolomeu Diaz [Karel Doorman]
- It should be “Dias” instead of “Diaz”

#1244, #1730, #1731 – F 471 Antonio Enes [João Coutinho Class]
- It should be “António” instead of “Antonio”

#1609 – F 480 Comandante Joao Belo [Mod Commandant Rivière]
- It should be “João” instead of “Joao”

#1610 – F 480 Comandante Joao Belo [Mod Commandant Riviere]
- It should be “João” instead of “Joao”
- It should be “Rivière” instead of “Riviere”

#1243, #2052, #1732 – F 487 Baptiste de Andrade
- It should be “Baptista” instead of “Baptiste”

As soon as I have an answer, I'll give you more goodies! :)
And last, but not least, thank you for a great game and for listening to your fans!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/1/2017 11:06:34 AM   
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Northrop Grumman will upgrade 72 U.S. Air National Guard F-16s

http://news.northropgrumman.com/news/releases/united-states-air-force-selects-the-northrop-grumman-apg-83-sabr-for-f-16-aesa-radar-upgrade

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RE: Project Resolve - Interim AOR - RCN - MV Asterix - 10/1/2017 12:10:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dysta
quote:

ORIGINAL: Owllord
We have the Concorde in the DB, so how about the Tu-144 maybe?

<Wikipedia link>

If yes, Y-10 should be added too:

<Wikipedia link>


Why? The Tu-144 actually entered service and performed regular flights, while the Y-10 is a cancelled project with only 3 prototypes produced.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 10/1/2017 5:03:12 PM   
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Arapaho conversion of a freighter.

Standard container freighter with a STOL deck
Capacity for 4 or so aircraft (I think that is what the capacity was)... and they could be VTOLs like Sea Harriers.
It had two 40 millimeter guns p/s, an underway replenishment capability.

I have not been able to find a speed for it.

Any hope?


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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 10/2/2017 2:50:16 AM   
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SM-6 Missile Update


#1310 - RIM-174A ERAM SM-6MR Blk I


The original version of the SM-6 is not capable of performing the Anti-ASBM task. It was designed as a modern air defense missile with increased OTH range to counter aircraft and modern ASCMs. Various documents and reports point out that a new missile (the Dual I), based on the SM-6 is being used to provide the Navy with an terminal-phase BMD interceptor. (1)(2)

Name:

- RIM-174A ERAM SM-6MR Blk I --> RIM-174A ERAM SM-6 Blk I (Remove Anti-ASBM from sidenote.)

Target Altitude:

- 30 ft AGL - 110000 ft AGL / 9 m AGL - 33000 m AGL (3)

Target Speed:

- 0 - 2300 kt (3)


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#3357 - RIM-174A-2 ERAM SM-6MR Blk IA [Dual I]

Only the SM-6 Dual I introduces a capability to intercept ballistic missiles in the terminal phase of their trajectory while retaining its ability to counter cruise missiles and other air breathing threats, hence the designation SM-6 Dual I. "SM-6 Dual I capability is being added to provide Sea-Based Terminal capability against short-range ballistic missiles." (4) In some documents, of all the SM-6 variants present, only the Dual I is listed as an Aegis BMD interceptor. (2)(4) On another note, the SM-6 Block IA and the SM-6 Dual I are not the same missile as depicted in the game. More on that below.

Name:

#3357 - RIM-174A-2 ERAM SM-6MR Blk IA [Dual I] --> RIM-174A ERAM SM-6 Dual I (Remove Anti-Ship, ABM from side note. Add Anti-ASBM to side note)

Sensors / EW:

- Remove Surface Search ability from Active Radar Seeker

Valid Targets:

- Remove Surface Ships


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Request: RIM-174A ERAM SM-6 Blk IA

The Block IA builds on the technology of the Block I and according to this (5) source also on the Dual I and adds GPS targeting to the missile to engage surface targets.

Date:

- IOC projected 2018 (5)

Sensors / EW:

- Add Surface Search ability to Active Radar Seeker

Properties:

- Add Weapon - INS w/ GPS Navigation (5)

Valid Targets:

- Surface Ships

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(1) https://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL33745.pdf (Page 5, SM-2 and SM-6 Terminal Interceptors)
(2) http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2016/pdf/bmds/2016aegisbmd.pdf
(3) http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-174.html
(4) http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2016/pdf/navy/2016sm-6.pdf
(5) http://seapowermagazine.org/stories/20170110-sm6-plans.html
http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/missile-defense-systems-2/missile-defense-systems/u-s-deployed-intercept-systems/aegis-afloat/standard-missile-6/ (Good overview over the different SM-6 variants.)
http://raytheon.mediaroom.com/2016-12-19-Raytheon-SM-6-intercepts-ballistic-missile-target-at-sea

Took me some time to put this together, hopefully it'll make it. Thanks and Goodnight!

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RE: Project Resolve - Interim AOR - RCN - MV Asterix - 10/3/2017 10:42:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Scorpion86

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dysta
quote:

ORIGINAL: Owllord
We have the Concorde in the DB, so how about the Tu-144 maybe?

<Wikipedia link>

If yes, Y-10 should be added too:

<Wikipedia link>


Why? The Tu-144 actually entered service and performed regular flights, while the Y-10 is a cancelled project with only 3 prototypes produced.


I was speculated them as hypocritical in DB3000: Tu-144 ceases to produce after a crash and Y-10 ceases to continue the development due to the budget deficiency. If both of them can made it after 1980, then I think they should be added for more alternative-history scenarios.

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RE: Project Resolve - Interim AOR - RCN - MV Asterix - 10/6/2017 7:29:32 PM   
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... oh, I was supposed to post it here. My apologies, I'm retarded.

1. The CEP for the M270 MLARS GPS-guided rockets is off:

quote:

The GPS-guided rockets for the MLARS have a surprisingly wide CEP: 80 meters. In testing, the GPS-guided weapon impacted only 2.1 meters from its target. Source:

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/mlrs-g-atd.htm

The ATD culminated on February 11, 1999 with a GPS-aided flight test in which the missile again flew 49 km and impacted only 2.1 meters from the target center, a resounding success.

Obviously a single test from 1998 isn't a solid indicator of regular performance, but official sources seem hell-bent on staying cagey about it. However, various sources peg the M30 rocket's CEP at 5 to 10 meters, and the new M31 - which the vendor's own literature brags about as the "70km sniper rifle" and mentions how its great for avoiding collateral damage with precision strikes - is usually put in the 2 meter range:

https://defenseaerospacenews.wordpress.com/tag/guided-multiple-launch-rocket-system/

Therefore I'd suggest (for the DB3000 database:)

#50 M30 GMLRS ER - (already has a 10 meter Land CEP, so this is fine.)
#2699 M30A1 GMLRS ER - set Land CEP to 2 meters.
#3136 M30A2 GMLRS ER [Alternative Warhead] - set Land CEP to 2 meters.


2. The TTPV Tomahawks are in the database but lack weapon records. Since Ping Jockey made the effort to actually write out weapon records, I figure I can bestir myself as well. I'm working off the weapon records for the Blk IV TACTOM, surface and submerged, since the TTPV is just a Block IV TACTOM with a different warhead, from everything I've read on it.

#1180: UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV -- 2008, VLS

UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/12) - ROF:5
UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/15) - ROF:120
UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/22) - ROF:120
UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/28) - ROF:5
UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/30) - ROF:120
UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/32) - ROF:120
UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/44) - ROF:120
UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/154) - ROF:5

#1165: UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV -- 2007, TT

UGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/1) - ROF:5

#434: RGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV

RGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/24) - ROF:2
RGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/29) - ROF:2
RGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/32) - ROF:2
RGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/40) - ROF:2
RGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/61) - ROF:2
RGM-109H Tomahawk Blk IV TTPV (0/64) - ROF:2

That should cover it, I think.


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RE: Project Resolve - Interim AOR - RCN - MV Asterix - 10/7/2017 10:29:00 PM   
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Hello friends.

Please modify the BD #2228 Kfir C.10 (year 2014-2017) add the following:

-Radar AESA ELTA EL/M-2052. (2015)
-ESM ELBIT SYSTEMS AES-212 Emerald-1.(2014)
-DECM Elbit/Elisra SPS-45/V6.(2014)
-Data link link-16. (2014)
-RAFAEL iDerby ER.(2017) http://www.rafael.co.il/5622-977-en/Marketing.aspx
-GBU-49 Paveway II. (2010)







http://www.combataircraft.net/the-magazine/view-issue/?issueID=7198

GRACIAS!!!

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