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Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 3:47:34 PM   
daird

 

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Status: offline 		Hello, and welcome to my learning AAR! I will be playing as Japan, against the AI set to easy. Why Japan? I have a modified Pearl Harbor strategy I want to try out, and I want to experience some early success for my morale. My overall goal? Survive past August 15, '45, the historical date when Japan called it quits.

I do have one question before I begin- how does one take screenshots? I can't seem to find a hotkey for that.
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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 4:22:12 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		Most computer keyboards will have a Print Screen (prt scr) button somewhere. When you click that your computer copies what's on your screen. Then you open some kind of graphics program (I use Paint but there are others) and click the Paste button. It will insert your screen image so that you can begin working with it. You'll have to open Paint (or whatever) and work with it a bit to get comfortable with the process but it's easy even for me, and computer are mysterious, vexing, magical things to me.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 4:29:15 PM   
nikoslejeune

 

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Status: offline 		Hey there and welcome , good luck with the game and above all have fun!!!!

There isnt an ingame screenshot function so you will have to use an external program for that.
I am sure some of the AAR diehards will know a good and easy program for that.

On the bright side with a new forum account you are limited in what content you can post for the first week + untill you have 10
posts. The last is easy enough, the first is to scare off scammers etc. As far as I know you cant post
images/screenshots, no links, no strings of numbers or anything resembling that.

So plenty of time to prepare for the AAR in its fullest and you can ofcourse ask questions anyway.

Nick

edited for typos and clarity

< Message edited by nikoslejeune -- 8/26/2017 4:33:44 PM >

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 4:48:23 PM   
daird

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: nikoslejeune

Hey there and welcome , good luck with the game and above all have fun!!!!

There isnt an ingame screenshot function so you will have to use an external program for that.
I am sure some of the AAR diehards will know a good and easy program for that.

On the bright side with a new forum account you are limited in what content you can post for the first week + untill you have 10
posts. The last is easy enough, the first is to scare off scammers etc. As far as I know you cant post
images/screenshots, no links, no strings of numbers or anything resembling that.

So plenty of time to prepare for the AAR in its fullest and you can ofcourse ask questions anyway.

Nick

edited for typos and clarity



Gotcha. So, time for a few off-topic posts, manual reading, and test runs.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 5:04:11 PM   
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Welcome.

For screenshots I use Greenshot. It is free and has a good editor.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 6:36:15 PM   
Aurorus

 

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Status: offline 		You may want to change the difficulty settings to normal or even hard as your progress through the game. Once you have learned some of the basics, you will probably find the AI too easy, especially on easy.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 6:38:02 PM   
daird

 

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Status: offline 		A disaster, a complete and utter disaster. I can't even figure out how to move my ships.

It's become pretty damn clear- I can't handle this. It's just too much. Sigh. Full steam, back to Paradox. At least now I know.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 6:52:57 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		Are you saying that you can't learn to do what everybody else in here has learned to do? Are we smarter than you are or somehow better than you?

It takes time. You won't be an instant master. You'll get a handle on things gradually (and actually fairly quickly). You'll learn a lot and still be learning stuff ten years from now. That's the richness and complexity of AE. Almost infinitely playable.

But it's not for the feint of heart. It's not for those who live by sound bytes and those who require instant gratification. And it may not be for those whose real life circumstances don't allow them the time to deal with this game. I've never met anyone who wasn't smart enough to play this game. I have met folks who lacked the resolve (or subject-matter interest) to play it.


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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 7:01:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: daird

A disaster, a complete and utter disaster. I can't even figure out how to move my ships.

It's become pretty damn clear- I can't handle this. It's just too much. Sigh. Full steam, back to Paradox. At least now I know.


C'mon daird. Give it (and us) a chance. Post your problems and let's talk 'em out. I'm positing that they are easily remedied.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 7:35:45 PM   
daird

 

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Status: offline 		Okay, here's my problem. The manual is 300+ pages of useless, and doesn't tell me how to do the basics. I can't move ships or change air targets on my own, and the computer is doing everything besides clicking the mouse.

1. Are the December 7th attacks automated, or is it possible to change targets?

2. How do you move ships?

3. How do you select targets for aircraft?

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 7:38:55 PM   
Grfin Zeppelin


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Status: offline 		I strongly suggest you start with Coral sea or something other small.




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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 7:42:51 PM   
Grfin Zeppelin


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Status: offline 		Regarding ships.

Click at a task force you see. (ship Icon on the map, can be one or more ships)
A screen will pop up, Look for TF destination button. Click it
You can now click on the map to where you want those ships to move.


And yes this is a beast of a game, you knew it you have been warned and now you will stick through and love it.

< Message edited by Gräfin Zeppelin -- 8/26/2017 7:44:04 PM >

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 7:45:03 PM   
Grfin Zeppelin


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Status: offline 		Look what I found for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRk-TA6YXEk

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 8:10:41 PM   
BillBrown


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ORIGINAL: daird

Okay, here's my problem. The manual is 300+ pages of useless, and doesn't tell me how to do the basics. I can't move ships or change air targets on my own, and the computer is doing everything besides clicking the mouse.

1. Are the December 7th attacks automated, or is it possible to change targets?

2. How do you move ships?

3. How do you select targets for aircraft?


If you have the Historical Dec 7th switch set to ON, then the first turn is automatic.
You would need to set if to OFF to be able to input turns for Dec 7th.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 8:21:56 PM   
MakeeLearn


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Status: offline 		It will seem overwhelming at first. I would start as the Allies first and play at least a year of game time. Start with the Grand Campaign so you will have continuous learning instead of short start and stop games. With One day turns you can do a little more each day, and the days of little activity are historic. MANY hours of discovery and enjoyment await you.


No problem with mouse lag? You figured out how do the Command Line Switches or you dont need them?

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 10:01:47 PM   
Bif1961


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Status: offline 		It is like a box of 1,000 piece puzzle without knowing what the image is at first, but it will start to take shape once you dive in and try. I think someone posted the url to a utube tutorial, use it and it will give you a basic understanding.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/26/2017 11:01:58 PM   
Mike McCreery


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ORIGINAL: Bif1961

It is like a box of 1,000 piece puzzle without knowing what the image is at first, but it will start to take shape once you dive in and try. I think someone posted the url to a utube tutorial, use it and it will give you a basic understanding.


To be fair, it is more like a 10,000 piece 4 dimensional chessboard with a vertical learning curve.

We can help you here. Expect to take years to learn the game. It is really a hobby more than an game.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/27/2017 1:02:38 AM   
geofflambert


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Status: offline 		Playing the Japanese side is by far the most difficult thing you could choose. How impatient are you? My course was to play one Campaign game against the AI. Then I played 5 PBEMS as the Allied player. Only then did I attempt to play the Japanese side. But then, I'm only a gorn.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/27/2017 1:14:59 AM   
geofflambert


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Status: offline 		I am suggesting you start over as the Allied player. In the beginning, because Congress had budgets, what you can do was limited. That is good for a learner. There is a limit to what you can do and you better do it well. The Allied player doesn't have to concern himself with the economy, production or any of that. That stuff is a quicksand of distraction for a new player like yourself. Learn the basics as the Allied player, then when you are comfortable begin to try and fathom the abyss that is running the Japanese economy.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/27/2017 1:20:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: daird

Okay, here's my problem. The manual is 300+ pages of useless, and doesn't tell me how to do the basics. I can't move ships or change air targets on my own, and the computer is doing everything besides clicking the mouse.

1. Are the December 7th attacks automated, or is it possible to change targets?

2. How do you move ships?

3. How do you select targets for aircraft?


Check my AAR out, I didn't attack PH at all, save mini subs.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/27/2017 2:07:04 AM   
Chickenboy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: daird

Okay, here's my problem. The manual is 300+ pages of useless, and doesn't tell me how to do the basics. I can't move ships or change air targets on my own, and the computer is doing everything besides clicking the mouse.

1. Are the December 7th attacks automated, or is it possible to change targets?

2. How do you move ships?

3. How do you select targets for aircraft?


The manual is outdated. No doubt. But for the basics, it is a worthwhile resource. Sure, there are some that play without reading the manual, but I think most read through it for an introduction. I would recommend you do it as the majority of the materials in there are germane.

The manual (and Grafin above) will tell you how to move ships. You may target specific targets for aircraft (e.g., a city for strategic bombing / a port for port bombing), but you cannot specifically target specific ships for attack by aircraft. The manual explains why. The forum can help corroborate it.

The December 7 attacks are automated if you are playing scenario 1 or 2 against a Japanese AI. You can change some of the impact of the initial strike by your game settings and preferences (e.g., 1st turn surprise). I agree with Grafin-you would be well advised to try the Coral Sea scenario before trying to understand the quagmire that is the grand campaign right away.

Patience.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/27/2017 12:14:36 PM   
Trugrit


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It is a difficult game but it can be mastered.

Chickenboy has rescued people before.This forum saved me years ago.
You are not alone.







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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/27/2017 3:33:21 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		What Grafin said. Start with Coral Sea. Either side. You will learn the mechanics, the forces are small and the map is reasonable...and it is fun. No production decisions.

Then do Guadalcanal where you will have to worry about logistics a bit more but still fun.

The pinnacle of complexity is playing as Japan vs a human opponent.


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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/28/2017 10:07:15 AM   
Trugrit


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Does not look good. Too Bad!





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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/28/2017 1:41:44 PM   
Lecivius


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Status: offline 		You picked THE hardest side, in THE biggest scenario, in THE most complex game, right off the bat? What, do you think because you mastered Cub Scouts you're ready to become a Army Ranger? (not that there's much difference, but that's another story).

Baby steps. Nice, simple, small, baby steps. How many people on the Paradox forums are willing to jump in & help someone just starting out? BT is not just teaching you to walk in formation, it changes your mind set. You need to do the same thing, here.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/28/2017 8:24:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		daird, don't give up right away. If you can specifically state what problems you are having, I'm sure that you can get answers/advice/guidance. I came over from Paradox as well. This forum is very helpful to those who are learning the game, and is one of the more congenial and enjoyable forums out there. As others have said, playing Japan in the Grand Campaign as a start is very, very difficult. I started out on the Coral Sea scenario, and am currently working through the Operation Buccaneer and Guadalcanal scenarios. Ease yourself in.

While the manual is a bit out of date, most of it's information is still useful, particularly in the basic mechanics. Searching the forum for the topics you want information on is also really helpful for learning what's different from the manual. You can also pick up a lot of good advice about gameplay. Take notes: this is a massively complex game and writing down things will help you remember them and provide you with a convenient reference.

As far as the problems you've highlighted: I can repeat what others have said. If "Historical first turn on" is selected, the game runs December 7th like it happened in real life. The only other thing I can suggest is that you might be suffering from lag problems (which can make it hard to give orders and move about the map) if you have a new computer or windows 10. If this is the case, try some of the command switches in the readme and tech support. I could not play this game for a long time, but once I figured it out (from a post in the tech support forum) I was able to get it to work.

As a last thing, just remember that this game is really deep, and learning it is a long process. Another forum member said it was like eating an elephant: just try to eat one bite at a time.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/28/2017 8:38:10 PM   
Grfin Zeppelin


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Status: offline 		We lost him :(
Even so many years after the war Imperial Japan claims its victims.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/28/2017 9:10:23 PM   
Kull


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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

We lost him :(
Even so many years after the war Imperial Japan claims its victims.


He'll probably come out of the jungle in 20 years.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/28/2017 9:24:55 PM   
Grfin Zeppelin


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ORIGINAL: Kull


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

We lost him :(
Even so many years after the war Imperial Japan claims its victims.


He'll probably come out of the jungle in 20 years.



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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/29/2017 12:26:02 PM   
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