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Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/27/2017 4:53:56 PM   
Major Shane


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Status: offline 		I have glitch that I can't seem to fix. I have several types of TF stuck Off Map at hex 21, 3 (just East of Aden). They have been there 2 weeks on average. I can't get them to move. I have reloaded the stock map but that didn't fix the issue. Does anyone have any suggestions or similar experiences?






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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/27/2017 5:32:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Stuck off-map TFs tend to come from two sources. If not these, then a true bug or deranged database.

1. Use of a pwhex file that does not match the map graphic files. If there is a non-stock map (extended map in DBB, etc.) it needs its partner pwhex file loaded at the same time.

2. "Spinning" or otherwise changing orders of TFs in the transit boxes or transit lanes off-map. Off-map movement is a mathematical abstraction process that operates separate from the x,y math used on-map. Sometimes, but not all the time, changing orders causes off-map TFs to get lost in algorithm limbo. In the past Michael was able to go into the save file and retrieve things. He hasn't been around since he announced he was moving on to other pursuits.

Check the pwhex file/map file combos. If they don't agree, fix that and re-load an earlier turn.

If they are fine, or if you spun the TFs, you could try a PM to Michael.

Failing that I don't have an answer.

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/27/2017 6:15:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those 4 TF icons showing of the right side indicate to me that you have a map and pwhex file incompatibility. You can not just change maps files without problems.

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/27/2017 7:01:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks to me like somehow you have data from a DaBabes extended map. Is that possible? Are you playing against the AI and have you ever used an extended map?

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/27/2017 7:07:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		That Endurance Needed number is off the chart. You can cancelling their movement orders and see if that fixes it. You do have a map problem though.

Cancel the movement orders and do not give them new orders for one turn. Set their destination to where they are and leave them with retire orders. Otherwise you could make Aden the homeport and signal return to Aden.

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/27/2017 11:17:37 PM   
Major Shane


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

That Endurance Needed number is off the chart. You can cancelling their movement orders and see if that fixes it. You do have a map problem though.

Cancel the movement orders and do not give them new orders for one turn. Set their destination to where they are and leave them with retire orders. Otherwise you could make Aden the homeport and signal return to Aden.


TO all, thanks for the responses.

I can't cancel the movements or return them to their homeport. See picture below. I'm not using an extend map and I am the Allies playing against the AI.

How would I correct the pwhex file database?




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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/27/2017 11:23:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like a stock map with a extended pwhex. Have you installed new scenarios? Which scenario are you playing?

You will have to revert to a pwhex for stock map. Or vice versa.

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/28/2017 12:48:34 AM   
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Looks like a stock map with a extended pwhex. Have you installed new scenarios? Which scenario are you playing?

You will have to revert to a pwhex for stock map. Or vice versa.


I did a complete reinstall this is the message I get when I try to load my saved game.





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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/28/2017 11:15:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd hit "Y" and hope for the best. It sees that the save game map data differs from what was loaded by the new pwhex.

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/28/2017 12:39:25 PM   
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Start a new installation in a new folder that has nothing old in it. Make sure the game works using latest stock patch and stock map. Do not contaminate this new installation with any DaBabes stuff or anything else. Make a copy of your save game and put in your new folder. If that doesn't work I think you're toast.

Could you do something for us? Click on those four ships in the off map area and let's see what you've got. If they're in a hex that doesn't exist on the stock map there is no fix for it.






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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/28/2017 1:50:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I made the mistake of giving new destination orders to a TF moving between off map and on-map locations (i.e. in a holding box) it went to hex 0,0 which is not in play in the stock game. I tried everything and nothing brought results. Since the TF was not important I just wrote it off but about six game weeks later it just popped out onto the map edge with no indication it had been moving while off-map. In fact the fuel levels were also fine despite the red text warning on fuel levels while it was stuck. Sometimes the AI just fixes things for you. I have no idea why.

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/28/2017 2:10:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Similar to when you put a ship in for repairs in a port that cannot handle the damage but it will fix some of the stuff and take a good long time doing it and won't let you pull the ship out to move it to a better port.

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/28/2017 4:05:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: m_shane_perkins

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Looks like a stock map with a extended pwhex. Have you installed new scenarios? Which scenario are you playing?

You will have to revert to a pwhex for stock map. Or vice versa.


I did a complete reinstall this is the message I get when I try to load my saved game.







A "Yes" should adapt save to new correct .pwhex reinstall.

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/29/2017 2:07:54 AM   
Major Shane


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

quote:

Start a new installation in a new folder that has nothing old in it. Make sure the game works using latest stock patch and stock map. Do not contaminate this new installation with any DaBabes stuff or anything else. Make a copy of your save game and put in your new folder. If that doesn't work I think you're toast.

Could you do something for us? Click on those four ships in the off map area and let's see what you've got. If they're in a hex that doesn't exist on the stock map there is no fix for it.







I had a late day at work today. I will check it out tomorrow when I get home. Thanks for the observation.

Update 29 AUG 17: "If they're in a hex that doesn't exist on the stock map there is no fix for it"
I can't click on the ships directly. I can access them only through the off-map TF screen. The game is stable other than this area/issue. I can route thing from Aden to Cape Town or UK. Air units can move to other off-map locations showing up 30-45 days later depending on the location. So I'm taking things in stride and just "imagining" that some type of catastrophe has happened to the Suez Canal and everything is going to have to take the long way around.

Thanks to all for the advice and suggestions.

Shane

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/29/2017 2:10:16 AM   
Major Shane


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

When I made the mistake of giving new destination orders to a TF moving between off map and on-map locations (i.e. in a holding box) it went to hex 0,0 which is not in play in the stock game. I tried everything and nothing brought results. Since the TF was not important I just wrote it off but about six game weeks later it just popped out onto the map edge with no indication it had been moving while off-map. In fact the fuel levels were also fine despite the red text warning on fuel levels while it was stuck. Sometimes the AI just fixes things for you. I have no idea why.


So you're saying I've got a chance? :) Seriously, I had not thought of that as a possibility. I will keep an eye out. Thanks.

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RE: Need Help - TF Stuck Off Map - 8/29/2017 2:11:04 AM   
Major Shane


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


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ORIGINAL: m_shane_perkins

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Looks like a stock map with a extended pwhex. Have you installed new scenarios? Which scenario are you playing?

You will have to revert to a pwhex for stock map. Or vice versa.


I did a complete reinstall this is the message I get when I try to load my saved game.







A "Yes" should adapt save to new correct .pwhex reinstall.


I will give it a shot tomorrow when I get home from work. Thanks.

Update 29 AUG 17: I clicked yes. The game works, the turn runs, just the TF stuck off-map near Aden. Time for me to acknowledge Murphy is alive and well and I will just deal with it. Thanks for the advice and help.
Shane

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