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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/9/2017 7:05:50 AM   
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Again, 1st Panzer Group is spread as a thin echelon, however this time more concentrated into a single area due west of Nikolaev. This is, by far, the weakest point in the Southern sector and where they are the likeliest to strike.

White lines are where to send reinforcements. Nikolaev must be reinforced, otherwise my whole left flank will be threatened with a northward pincer that will force me to move my entire front.


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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/9/2017 7:12:31 AM   
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Casualties on the beginning of Turn 3, with Axis's latest turn:





Oddly, all Axis airbases remain very, very far behind the front. Does it effect the effectiveness of his aircrafts?

The logic being, their operational range is restricted, so this means a longer range to travel to the battlefield and back, no?





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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/9/2017 12:36:22 PM   
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My counterplan is to slam the land bridge shut in front of 2nd Panzer Group by linking with Velikiye Luki on a long, thick front. Troops will come from veering the Smolensk line like a shutting door, plus troops from Rhzev, Vyasma, and Moscow. Plus, I will borrow aa few Divisions from the Southern front to make a third line in the landbridge basin.

Reinforcing Velikiye Luki is also a priority, as it is still possible that the Axis will instead veer back to thrust through there instead, around my right flank.




No disrespect here, but what looks good on paper isnt so good at time of execution. If you continue to defend the southern river in the picture and plan a counter attack then I have seen many Soviet players line up on that River only to be "way" out of place to defend Moscow. If the German player has any flank security at all, even with Sec regiments, your plan is going to die a horrible death. Plus your key ingredient is missing on that river line, Calvary. Without those your chances already stand close to zero.

Now if you plan on moving all of those units in front of the PZ's then you are going to be fatigued and easily pushed back and surrounded. You really need to not look at this turn. You need to see into the future and set up a defense based on a turn or two from now.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/9/2017 5:28:16 PM   
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No disrespect here, but what looks good on paper isnt so good at time of execution. If you continue to defend the southern river in the picture and plan a counter attack then I have seen many Soviet players line up on that River only to be "way" out of place to defend Moscow. If the German player has any flank security at all, even with Sec regiments, your plan is going to die a horrible death. Plus your key ingredient is missing on that river line, Calvary. Without those your chances already stand close to zero.

Now if you plan on moving all of those units in front of the PZ's then you are going to be fatigued and easily pushed back and surrounded. You really need to not look at this turn. You need to see into the future and set up a defense based on a turn or two from now.


I think there is a misunderstanding here. I do not intend to counterattack, but to build a wall to deny the landbridge toward Vyasma which, right now, is empty of any Russian troops. If I leave it empty he will simply jaywalk toward Vyasma.

Here is the current situation on the Centre. Are you arguing I should retreat my units away from the Dnepr without making a stand in Mogilev or Orsha? That's what I do not understand. if I leave the Dnepr empty and move my mass of troops away, he will simply waltz through it instead.




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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/9/2017 8:48:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think your planned defense line is a bit too close to the panzers. It'd need to be prepared with forts and rested units to work. You have some really good and strong units along the Dnepr, making a hasty stand too close to the german advance would just get those units surrounded.

Also with the land bridge currently empty, you're risking to be surrounded on the Dnepr. An enveloping move with the panzers is possible even against a strong prepared land bridge defense.

I'm by no means an expert, but just trying to warn against making a too forward defense.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/9/2017 9:01:16 PM   
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No disrespect here, but what looks good on paper isnt so good at time of execution. If you continue to defend the southern river in the picture and plan a counter attack then I have seen many Soviet players line up on that River only to be "way" out of place to defend Moscow. If the German player has any flank security at all, even with Sec regiments, your plan is going to die a horrible death. Plus your key ingredient is missing on that river line, Calvary. Without those your chances already stand close to zero.

Now if you plan on moving all of those units in front of the PZ's then you are going to be fatigued and easily pushed back and surrounded. You really need to not look at this turn. You need to see into the future and set up a defense based on a turn or two from now.


I think there is a misunderstanding here. I do not intend to counterattack, but to build a wall to deny the landbridge toward Vyasma which, right now, is empty of any Russian troops. If I leave it empty he will simply jaywalk toward Vyasma.

Here is the current situation on the Centre. Are you arguing I should retreat my units away from the Dnepr without making a stand in Mogilev or Orsha? That's what I do not understand. if I leave the Dnepr empty and move my mass of troops away, he will simply waltz through it instead.




I wasn't sure if you were going to let him go by and counter attack his flank or you were going to put up a defense at the land bridge. Now that I know what your intention is which is to defend land bridge I would say that you are already 2 turns to late to even start(if it is still turn 3). Most of your units will use 5-9 mp's to get into position. You will be fatigued and easy pickings being this close to Germans. Plus you will have some units in the open and some in woods. (They will meet the same fate as the other units further to the west) All the units will be without entrenchments. The only PLUS side you have to all of this is that it is turn 3. Turn 3 is when the Germans usually pause to refuel (not always but most of the time). I really don't see enough units at all to make a decent defense right in front of German PZ's. I would give ground and set up behind the upper Dnepr but that is just me. I wouldn't throw away good units unless I absolutely have to.


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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/9/2017 9:08:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tell me, what did you rail out for industry this turn? If you did anything west of Poltava/Bryansk (excluding Leningrad) then you will more than likely end up in trouble with industry if playing a good German. I never touch anything west of those two cities for industry move out unless I'm playing someone that is all in up north.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/11/2017 3:18:36 AM   
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Tell me, what did you rail out for industry this turn? If you did anything west of Poltava/Bryansk (excluding Leningrad) then you will more than likely end up in trouble with industry if playing a good German. I never touch anything west of those two cities for industry move out unless I'm playing someone that is all in up north.


I am not there yet! I am just done setting my defensive line on the Northern Sector tonight.

My plan was basically, after I am done with all my sectors, to follow Walloc' factory evacuation plan, then use the remaining rail cap to displace as many HI as possible behind in the Urals. The Soviet production and evacuation systems are easily one of the features the remains the most alien to me. So many armaments and things to move, most of them either obsolete or not sure if it is worth moving except the obvious (Il-2, T-34, KV-1, Heavy Industry, etc.)

At least, I now understand how to build up support units (Construction battalions, sappers, MG-battalions, etc.) and how to check whether the needed ingredients are enough in the pool. Since we play with Licked HQ support I assign them by hand to Corps and Armies from STAVKA.




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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/11/2017 7:39:27 AM   
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My plan was basically, after I am done with all my sectors, to follow Walloc' factory evacuation plan, then use the remaining rail cap to displace as many HI as possible behind in the Urals. The Soviet production and evacuation systems are easily one of the features the remains the most alien to me. So many armaments and things to move, most of them either obsolete or not sure if it is worth moving except the obvious (Il-2, T-34, KV-1, Heavy Industry, etc.)

At least, I now understand how to build up support units (Construction battalions, sappers, MG-battalions, etc.) and how to check whether the needed ingredients are enough in the pool. Since we play with Licked HQ support I assign them by hand to Corps and Armies from STAVKA.



Walloc's guide is a bit outdated, and some of the choices presented are his personal preferences. Mig-3 for example upgrades to IL-2 now, so those Moscow factories should be taken into serious consideration if Moscow is under threat. There are also other changes in factory locations and production dates, transitions etc. The evacuation timing calculations he has made are very informative though.

I'd say that if you're anyway spending hours to ponder strategy and maneuvers on the front, then why not spend an extra hour checking through all the factories under threat in '41, and get familiar with the Production Screen and make your own evacuation plans? Delve deeper! :)

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/11/2017 5:12:16 PM   
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Walloc's guide is a bit outdated


It is worth reinforcing that point. The guide is very good, but is now wrong simply because scenario data has changed with later versions. The principles are excellent, but need to be adapted for the latest data.


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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/11/2017 8:00:21 PM   
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Actually I wanted to say really well done. You can see how you've gone from a scared Soviet apprentice to really some good thought and planning on how to play as Soviet. The important thing too is you are asking the right questions. HardLuckYetAgain is a very good player, whatever he says about himself! His advice and that of others is very good - and is particularly good against very good Axis players. But the sort of things you are talking about and are planning are the things I remember and I think all of us went through- and are appropriate for Axis players at the same standard. So do not get disheartened, I think you are doing well.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 2:51:30 AM   
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Drakken

Actually I wanted to say really well done. You can see how you've gone from a scared Soviet apprentice to really some good thought and planning on how to play as Soviet. The important thing too is you are asking the right questions. HardLuckYetAgain is a very good player, whatever he says about himself! His advice and that of others is very good - and is particularly good against very good Axis players. But the sort of things you are talking about and are planning are the things I remember and I think all of us went through- and are appropriate for Axis players at the same standard. So do not get disheartened, I think you are doing well.


I'm really not that good of a player, just crazy ideas. Other players here are far better than I.

But I concur with Telemecus that you are doing well. Keep up the good work!

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 4:09:46 AM   
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All remaining units around the Pskov area are ordered to head north to file, as planned, a 2-3 defensive line in the woods north of the Shelon river and the town of Seredska. The fresh 31st Army is called by from Moscow in to reinforce the line. 9th NKVD Border Regiment hides in the wood to serve as a wavebreaker for the eventual advance of the panzers toward Leningrad.

41st Rifle Corps, reinforced by 181st Rifle Division on its left flank, is ordered to stand behind Porkhov and the Shelon, while 52nd Rifle Corps remains behind in Staraya Russa to keep building a reserve line in favourable terrain.




All Leningrad PM Rifle Divisions are ordered to remain in the rear south of Leningrad to assist in building as many fortifications as possible. A vast number of Fortified Regions are also built there in support, emptying my AP allotment this turn. Moscow will be next on Turn 4.



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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 4:42:35 AM   
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I abandon my line on the lower Dnepr to move the bulk of my sector northeast, towards the upper Dnepr area, blocking the sector in front of Vyasma. This also has the advantage that I reduce the length of my line in favour of width. I am not willing to abandon the Smolensk area too quickly, though. Smolensk is a nexus of roads and a formidable cauldron, like Pskov. Thus I build a new defensive line behind the Sozh river.

The reason is, by taking Vitebsk and moving pass its axis north of the city, my lecture is that psych0 has not ordered a HQ buildup last turn. Thus I want to force him into a decision:

a) either "waste" a turn to wait for his infantry and/or make a buildup from afar, which would allow me to fortify for one or more turns and bring in even more reinforcements to reinforce the upper Dnepr in front of Rzhev,
b) or advance now, with limited fuel, ever further from his supply lines and infantry, and end up nose first on my first line. This would telegraph its axis of advance.

I leave a strong division in Velikie Luki to block that rail line, but the bulk of the 51st Rifle Corps is moved back behind the Dvina, to prevent encirclement and cover my right flank for future reinforcement. Even though the terrain is very rough, I am still not acquainted on how fast would Panzer and Motorized Divisions move in such terrain.



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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 5:00:15 AM   
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The northern part of the sector looks very strong here. We even have a width of three strong counters in the landbridge between the Irpen and the Ros rivers.

However, the southern part of the sector is more porous. However, thank fully the divisions of III Panzer Group is spreaded evenly and almost all are in contact with my troops. I can afford some friction and casualties right now, he cannot. Thanks to my recon and contact with their divisions, I was able to identify the most dangerous-looking German units CV-wise. And from there, attempt to complete at least a second layer of counters in my rear locally, to soften the blow across the Ros river.




14th Panzer Division looked very vulnerable, so I decided to launch a limited, yet savage Deliberate counterattack on it with 164th Rifle Division in an attempt to cause irreparable damage on his unit's AFVs. They barely held (if I had the Attack + 1 bonus I would have won IMHO), yet we kept the advantage in CV. Even if I cannot see the casualties because of FOW, my fingers are crossed that the German damage and casualties will be important.



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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 5:11:27 AM   
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Psych0's Panzer Group is pretty well lined up in front of Nikolaev to prevent any breakout from the southern pockets.

I move all possible units behind the Yuzhny Bug river, while I bring 9th Rifle Corps from Crimea + 157th Rifle Division from the North Caucacus to patch up the holes in my line around Nikolaev.



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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 5:19:03 AM   
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Leningrad - Moved to Chelyabinsk

BA-10 x 5
KV-1 x 6
T-50 x 2

Mogilev - Moved to Ufa

HI x 3 (All)
Armament x 3 (All)

Kiev - Moved to Chlakov

HI x 2
Armament x 2

Kirovograd - Moved to Chlakov

HI x 3
Armament x 1


Furthermore, remember that I noticed that psych0 did not move any of his airbases from the very rear? Well, no interceptors were in sight when I launched air attacks this turn. The German airspace was devoid of any cover: It seems his troops are now passed the range of the Luftwaffe's interceptors. So, this turn I have launched a systematic campaign of TAC-bombing over the whole front - any and all panzer, motorized, and HQ divisions were boomed and zoomed in priority, plus Infantry divisions within range if affordable - again and again, relentlessly, until I had no longer any bomber available to launch.

There was FLAK remaining, and it was quite effective in inflicting numerous casualties on my plane. but I fear them less than Messerschmidts. As much as it tires the Germans and lowers their morale, it is worthwhile.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 7:32:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		One small bit of advice: try to keep all your frontline combat units under army command (or corps at summer '41). They'll get the benefits of the army commanders and support units and can hold the ground much better.

PS. Not sure if your white units are under Stavka armies, that's an OK strategy too :)

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 11:26:55 AM   
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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 11:49:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll offer some advice as that is the stated aim of this AAR.

The Leningrad defense looks vulnerable to me right at it's center. You probably wont find panzers in the city next week but I wouldn't totally discount it.

Good decision to back off in the center, but the flanks are hanging a bit. He's a long way away though so it may be ok.

The South is strong but a little too close to the Axis front line for comfort. I would have retreated it back behind the Ingul and sent a couple of armies to the Central and Northern fronts.
There was also a good chance to cut off his pz corps in the far South this turn.
Another tip is to convert the axis controlled hexes to the West of Nikoleav. This is particularly useful for slowing down infantry and low morale armor.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 1:18:52 PM   
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I'll offer some advice as that is the stated aim of this AAR.

The Leningrad defense looks vulnerable to me right at it's center. You probably wont find panzers in the city next week but I wouldn't totally discount it.



Uh-oh. Am I done if it happens?

Really, I could not really spare any troop counter this Turn, if I wanted to start building forts in Leningrad and Moscow right now. Maybe I could have brought the Leningrad PM Divisions in the rear to pad it some more?

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 1:39:34 PM   
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14th Panzer Division looked very vulnerable, so I decided to launch a limited, yet savage Deliberate counterattack on it with 164th Rifle Division in an attempt to cause irreparable damage on his unit's AFVs. They barely held (if I had the Attack + 1 bonus I would have won IMHO), yet we kept the advantage in CV. Even if I cannot see the casualties because of FOW, my fingers are crossed that the German damage and casualties will be important.




How did you come to the conclusion that 14th PZ Regiment was vulnerable?


When I attack with the Russians there are some key indicators to look for. The 1st is the soft factor of "fuel"(yes even for infantry). Red is a good indication that the unit has moved a great deal and thus fatigue is high, making the unit easier to retreat when attacked. The second soft factor I check for is supply of the unit. When the Germans attack a lot or far from railhead their supply state worsens and easier to get a retreat. Red & yellow supply state is good indication you will get the unit to retreat. The 3rd thing I look for is when not attacking with the Soviet +1 you want to have 2x the combat strength of the face value of the unit you are attacking at a minimum with an above average leader(1x the combat strength if you have Soviet +1 attack). If you know the leader you are going up against on the German side and he is good you will want more combat strength. 4th is can you get a decent bombing run on the hex (even if you bomb with all bombers at night time) to get more disruption on the hex prior to attacking? 5th Do you have reserves set up behind the line to assist (and get wins for guard status) in the battle? (Reserves should have low fatigue to have a chance of activating along with a good initiative leader) The 6th thing is are my units I'm attacking with fatigued? Even if you have 2x the combat strength and your units are highly fatigued you probably wont win. That is why I love setting up defense a turn or two in advance thus you wait for your prey and pounce on him :)

As Sun Tzu says, "Whoever is first in the field awaits the coming of the enemy, will be fresh for the fight; whoever is second in the field and has to hasten to battle will arrive exhausted"

P.S. All the above assumes you have good command and control in place.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 2:10:53 PM   
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How did you come to the conclusion that 14th PZ Regiment was vulnerable?



I noticed that this particular unit had a lower Defence CV (x=5 if I remember correctly). My 164th Rifle Division had a higher attack CV which was almost double of my opponent's, so I figured I had an opportunity to make a local counterattack there, since attrition is my friend.

I am using Jison's mod, so Factors are instead indicated by the dot at the right of each counter.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 2:45:24 PM   
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Uh-oh. Am I done if it happens?

I wont beat about the bush......yes, because most of AGN will then be moved South and have about ten weeks to support the attack on Moscow which would almost certainly fall. It's tough to recover from losing both of the big cities in 41. You need to keep AGN fully occupied for most of the Summer to prevent this.

Your position around the Velekiya after the Axis turn two looked ok to me.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 3:25:10 PM   
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I leave a strong division in Velikie Luki to block that rail line




Where is his rail conversion line at the moment?

If you are still on turn 3 this is just a waste of a "strong" division that will be needed later imho. By the time the Germans needs to convert this hex that good division will have been surrounded and forced to surrender long ago and those that surrendered will probably be put to work on converting the rail in the hex for the Germans ;-P

leave a unit you are willing to lose that is low in morale, low in squad experience or depleted imho. If that strong unit meets that criteria then great, just my 2 cents.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 5:52:33 PM   
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Yes, all the white units are currently assigned to Stavka until I can spare the AP to reorganize.




Directly under Stavka = bad thing if it's on the front line. You should have a closer HQ with support units for all the units that are about to see combat. Assigning from Stavka down in the chain doesn't cost APs, if you have armies with command capacity available (you should have at this point).

What I meant with "under Stavka armies" is an army HQ assinged directly to Stavka. You can have this kind of "floating" armies if you're not yet sure how you'll be setting up your fronts. Assigning a Stavka army to a front afterwards doesn't cost AP either.

Juggling with the Soviet command structure isn't a simple thing, I feel like I'm beginning to "get it sorted" some time around the first winter, so 1941 is kind of chaos. It helps if you make a preliminary plan how you assign the armies and fronts to prevent unnecessary unit shuffling. 3-5 armies per front, where to have the shock armies when the winter hits etc.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/12/2017 5:54:03 PM   
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Directly under Stavka = bad thing if it's on the front line. You should have a closer HQ with support units for all the units that are about to see combat. Assigning from Stavka down in the chain doesn't cost APs, if you have armies with command capacity available (you should have at this point).

What I meant with "under Stavka armies" is an army HQ assinged directly to Stavka. You can have this kind of "floating" armies if you're not yet sure how you'll be setting up your fronts. Assigning a Stavka army to a front afterwards doesn't cost AP either.

Juggling with the Soviet command structure isn't a simple thing, I feel like I'm beginning to "get it sorted" some time around the first winter, so 1941 is kind of chaos. It helps if you make a preliminary plan how you assign the armies and fronts to prevent unnecessary unit shuffling. 3-5 armies per front, where to have the shock armies when the winter hits etc.


By that I meant "Armies under Stavka", not Divisions assigned directly under Stavka.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/13/2017 8:12:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		That attack you made against the Pz regiment, there was no 'Fog of War', you damaged 7 panzers and caused 0 casualties.

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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/13/2017 10:47:30 PM   
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RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) -... - 9/14/2017 12:54:30 AM   
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dont know how to delele messages.


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