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The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 12:22:41 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 12:28:31 AM   
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Others that almost as immediately came to mind: massive explosion of ship at Pearl Harbor, flag-raising Iwo Jima, and heavily damaged Mikuma on June 6, 1942.






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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 1:42:45 AM   
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Pearl Harbor.
Bataan Death March.
Burma Railway.
Sinking japanese CV at Midway.
The Diggers on the Kokoda Track.
The beach at Tarawa.
US Fleet anchored at Ulithi.
Kohima.
Mt Suribachi.
Kamikaze attack on USS Franklin.
Atom Bomb.


?? Is CR's photo the execution of Fl Lt Newton RAAF who was awarded the VC for attacks in the Salamua area??


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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 1:45:35 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 1:48:21 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 3:21:54 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 4:32:22 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 6:30:26 AM   
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Here's something I'm quite interested in seeing the results from: what do you guys think of as the definitive or iconic picture of the Pacific War? I'm curious to see what images stick out for people!

An impossible request. No one picture can encompass the scope of the war in either action or human terms.

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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 6:52:02 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 9:51:50 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 10:44:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is the one that first came to mind. The horror of war abundantly clear.

Others that almost as immediately came to mind: massive explosion of ship at Pearl Harbor, flag-raising Iwo Jima, and heavily damaged Mikuma on June 6, 1942.





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I've posted this one previously. It kills me. I remember seeing it as a young kid in a Sunday newspaper and really affected me .

Iirc he was an Aussie pilot.


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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 10:51:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

Here's something I'm quite interested in seeing the results from: what do you guys think of as the definitive or iconic picture of the Pacific War? I'm curious to see what images stick out for people!
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If there is one picture to use say on the cover of a book or game solely on the Pacific War I would use either this:





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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 10:53:40 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 4:34:59 PM   
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The thing I have against these pictures is that they focus solely on US forces when there were obviously other nations involved, including Japan!
My thought for a summary picture was the one of Admiral Nimitz and Gen. MacArthur briefing President Roosevelt on their proposed strategies for advancement in the Pacific, in front of a map encompassing the whole arena of battle.

The US effort at sea definitely dwarfed all the other nations combined, but the Chinese are the ones whose army tied down so much of the IJA that they could not put as many troops on their conquests as they should have in early. Later on, the USN and USAAF dominance prevented significant movement of troops by ship so I rate them the most important forces from 1943 on.

The picture of the flag-raising on Iwo Jima is symbolic and human, but does not portray the combat. The picture of the burning carrier does not show the human element closely enough. I think maybe a suite of about 20 pictures could paint a decent picture of what went on.

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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 5:15:00 PM   
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Not so negative. Both Bunker Hill and Franklin were saved in spite of horrific damage. A real tribute to US damage control and crew bravery.

The thing I have against these pictures is that they focus solely on US forces when there were obviously other nations involved, including Japan!
My thought for a summary picture was the one of Admiral Nimitz and Gen. MacArthur briefing President Roosevelt on their proposed strategies for advancement in the Pacific, in front of a map encompassing the whole arena of battle.

The US effort at sea definitely dwarfed all the other nations combined, but the Chinese are the ones whose army tied down so much of the IJA that they could not put as many troops on their conquests as they should have in early. Later on, the USN and USAAF dominance prevented significant movement of troops by ship so I rate them the most important forces from 1943 on.

The picture of the flag-raising on Iwo Jima is symbolic and human, but does not portray the combat. The picture of the burning carrier does not show the human element closely enough. I think maybe a suite of about 20 pictures could paint a decent picture of what went on.
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Well the OP asked for an Iconic image that each of us see as stand out for the Pacific War.

There is no right or wrong answer. I don't see that every nation has to be represented. Without in anyway disregarding (and certainly not disrespecting) the British Commonwealth, the Chinese, the Dutch or anyone else, it was the US forces that won the Pacific War.

There are quite a few iconic pictures - Percival surrendering at Singapore, the Arizona blowing up, the Bomb just after it was dropped at Hiroshima, one of the B-25's taking off from Hornet, the Formidable after being hit by a Kamikaze etc etc.

But the brief was to choose one - and to me the Iwo Jima picture, more than any other single picture, is the Pacific War.

Sure, and as alluded to when I mentioned the Bunker Hill, depending on what the subject matter is for the picture and the context, it may be that there are other more appropriate images - but I just went by the brief.


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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 6:39:29 PM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/1/2017 8:54:14 PM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 1:10:41 AM   
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Iconic. Not Yankee.





I was just beginning search for this one and saw you had it up already. Yep, this in the one that sticks in my mind.

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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 1:39:48 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 2:34:57 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 2:39:38 AM   
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Not a picture so much as a painting. One of the most emblematic as far as I'm concerned: Tom Lea's "Ten Thousand Yard Stare"




Thousand-yard stare?

Inflation?





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In Operation "Fragile" the 1st and 2nd Battalions landed on February 18, 1944, with 3rd Battalion in reserve. In the attack on Engebi American losses were 78 killed, 166 wounded, and 7 missing, totaling 251 casualties. All of Engebi's defenders were killed, except for nineteen prisoners taken.

Miller himself was killed in action during the invasion of Ebon Atoll a month later. 25 Japanese, including six civilians (two women and two children among them), put up a 20-minute fire-fight that left Miller and another Marine dead and eight others wounded.








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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 9:30:04 AM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 1:24:15 PM   
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Inflation?


I'm sorry, but I'm not following you. What did you mean by this in reference to Lea's painting?

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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 2:03:07 PM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 2:13:04 PM   
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Inflation?


I'm sorry, but I'm not following you. What did you mean by this in reference to Lea's painting?


Yes, I thought the paint was called "Thousand-yard stare"

"Thousand-yard stare" to "Ten Thousand Yard Stare"

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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 2:43:12 PM   
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Inflation?


I'm sorry, but I'm not following you. What did you mean by this in reference to Lea's painting?


Yes, I thought the paint was called "Thousand-yard stare"

"Thousand-yard stare" to "Ten Thousand Yard Stare"


Gotcha.

Made me look it up. Actually Lea's piece (and the USMC moniker) is the "2000 yard stare".



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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 3:03:18 PM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 3:34:19 PM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 4:17:16 PM   
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RE: The definitive picture of the Pacific War? - 10/2/2017 4:23:36 PM   
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