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Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 9/22/2017 8:32:58 AM

boudi

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Hi,

Since few turns i can't merge these 3 naval units in order to have a division :

we are in November 1942, they are same naval infantry brigades, same army, same hex, they did'nt move... i don't undersand why, while the same situation elsewhere worked fine ?

Many thanks,

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 9/22/2017 8:54:00 AM

Stelteck

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Naval infantry brigades are odd units in the game. They do not merge with anything. They also do not return if destroyed.
They have a special TOE and are slightly better than others rifles brigades.

Naval rifle brigades and regular rifle brigades DO merge and return.

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 9/22/2017 8:59:24 AM

morvael

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Put them next to Finnish no attack line and forget about them :)

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 9/22/2017 9:13:05 AM

boudi

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Ok thank you both.

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 9/22/2017 11:53:29 AM

HardLuckYetAgain

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Put them next to Finnish no attack line and forget about them :)

Put 20% TOE Forts on the Finnish no attack line ;-) Personally I LOVE brigades as units for reserve activation.

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 9/22/2017 11:56:38 AM

morvael

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For me those APs have greater value than a few brigades, but of course your solution is more efficient manpower/equipment-wise.

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 9/22/2017 12:08:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: morvael

For me those APs have greater value than a few brigades, but of course your solution is more efficient manpower/equipment-wise.

Yes sir you are correct too. The player needs to decide which best fits them in their game.

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 9/22/2017 12:20:35 PM

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I would use them for reserve activation.

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 9/22/2017 9:46:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: morvael

Put them next to Finnish no attack line and forget about them :)

Put 20% TOE Forts on the Finnish no attack line ;-) Personally I LOVE brigades as units for reserve activation.

It means that you are confident in holding Leningrad

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 9/23/2017 1:38:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: STEF78

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: morvael

Put them next to Finnish no attack line and forget about them :)

Put 20% TOE Forts on the Finnish no attack line ;-) Personally I LOVE brigades as units for reserve activation.

It means that you are confident in holding Leningrad

Yes :)

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 10/5/2017 7:47:25 AM

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Playing with last beta patch you can merge three naval infantry brigades (or two nib plus one normal brigade, BUT NOT one nib plus one or two normal ones or two nibs). I am playing with a different map than the vanilla one, but I guess thatshouldnt change how merging works, right?

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 10/5/2017 7:51:25 AM

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You're doing real merge or build up to a division? Naval Infantry Brigades cannot participate in build up, but Naval Rifle Brigades can.

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 10/5/2017 10:43:05 AM

No idea

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Ummm... perhaps they were naval rifle brigades and not naval infantry brigades. What do you mean by real merge or build up?

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 10/5/2017 10:59:52 AM

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Build up is when you create new unit with different TOE(OB) out of the units in hex (for example: 2 rifle brigades to 1 rifle division). Merge is an option available on unit info screen, when you can destroy one unit and add all its elements to another unit of the same type in hex (to create one stronger unit, but retaining TOE(OB)).

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 10/5/2017 1:09:45 PM

No idea

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ORIGINAL: morvael

Build up is when you create new unit with different TOE(OB) out of the units in hex (for example: 2 rifle brigades to 1 rifle division). Merge is an option available on unit info screen, when you can destroy one unit and add all its elements to another unit of the same type in hex (to create one stronger unit, but retaining TOE(OB)).

Then I built them up

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 10/13/2017 12:06:16 PM

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I also have current beta and naval infantry units (those that use naval rifle squads) indeed are not possible to merge with anything. It's really odd and extra confusing with the naval rifle brigades, which are just rifle brigades named differently but use the same TOE and can be merged.

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 10/13/2017 12:43:24 PM

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I have not investigated that side of the Soviet forces - but in more recent times Naval infantry have been what others call Marines (specialist amphibious troops), so perhaps the naval rifle brigades are just the ones drafted from the navy to fight as infantry (like the Royal navy division, LW regiments etc.) if so then there would be some logic to the difference.

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 10/13/2017 12:49:17 PM

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Yes, I guess that was why the exception to merging was made.

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RE: Why i can't merge these 3 naval units ? - 10/13/2017 4:13:13 PM

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As far as I understand both types were created from surplus naval personnel, the naval rifle Bdes were under army control and organization whereas the naval inf Bde had a unique organization and probably stayed under marine control.

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