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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/10/2017 7:35:26 PM   
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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/10/2017 8:16:27 PM   
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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/10/2017 8:33:13 PM   
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Oh my the amount of AP I have wasted.... How on earth am I holding my own in my Russian games........ I can't wait for this update!


Some other bugs were found, which the fixing is delaying things a bit ..

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/11/2017 12:42:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		were you realy able to break the minsk pocket again? oh Boy, he is realy in Trouble.

imho you gave up too much space in the western ukraine. since his tanks lose their fuel reserve at the end of turn 2 you should find some obsolate Units to "hug" his mobile Forces so they get Attrition and even lesser supply.

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/11/2017 1:51:03 AM   
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were you realy able to break the minsk pocket again? oh Boy, he is realy in Trouble.

imho you gave up too much space in the western ukraine. since his tanks lose their fuel reserve at the end of turn 2 you should find some obsolate Units to "hug" his mobile Forces so they get Attrition and even lesser supply.


I’m not sure how much “trouble “ the German is in when the Soviets decide to commit forces to open pockets. It is quite possible to swallow up more forces into even bigger pocket .. Psycho is looking at that possibility right now in our team game ;)

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/11/2017 2:32:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		indeed, the soviet will lose few Units by re-opening the pockets but just look at that vast area around minsk still under soviet Control. this narrows the advance axis for german infantry and binds Forces to re-seal the pocket because the Germans can not allow the once surounded soviet Units to roam freely behind the frontline. a additional Bonus for the soviets is that the rail repair will suffer.

when i Play the red army, for me all soviet Forces except the elite ones i deploy at pskov and landbridge are obsolate and if i have to lose 2 or even 3 divisions to re- open a large pocket i do it.

same goes for axis railroad repair in the south from the romanian border. i throw away 3-4 divisions to hold the mountain hexes there to delay the repair for 2 turns.

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/11/2017 11:25:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		As a forced half measure if I rout his units on the west of Minsk to get some needed ZOC will they likely still be in the pockets eastern side?

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/11/2017 11:41:14 AM   
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As a forced half measure if I rout his units on the west of Minsk to get some needed ZOC will they likely still be in the pockets eastern side?


My experience has been they usually rout out of closed pockets, but usually rout a smaller distance to a pocket to be if it has yet to be closed.

But I suspect this is a biased observation as you remember the routing results that were bad for you more than the good ones. Certainly though I have seen many occasions when the routing rules as described in the original manual were never followed.

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/11/2017 1:22:12 PM   
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As a forced half measure if I rout his units on the west of Minsk to get some needed ZOC will they likely still be in the pockets eastern side?


My experience has been they usually rout out of closed pockets, but usually rout a smaller distance to a pocket to be if it has yet to be closed.

But I suspect this is a biased observation as you remember the routing results that were bad for you more than the good ones. Certainly though I have seen many occasions when the routing rules as described in the original manual were never followed.


There are software defects with the routing / displacement algorithm, but from the thread as I recall the main problem is not accounting for all ZOC’s in the attrition algorithm within the displacement algorithm....That will be fixed


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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/12/2017 7:26:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		My turn is done so this turn Psych0 will see that I obviously planned to ignore the Dnepr entirely from the get go that is why I tried to take my FBD's through brest and along the Dvina instead of Vilnius

However I doubt I will be using the brest rail line again Vilnius would of been much better that was a big mistake as because of my complete inexperience a lot of my infantry there have barely moved however along the Dvina it has gone ok with no slow downs on my ZOC for FBD's and now I am set up to attempt a break through and bypass his defences next turn depending on what Psych0 does

I managed to pocket all the units in the marsh which I believe he can reopen for a turn however I am unsure how wise it was to use my motorised/armoured to do so as it will no doubt turn into a bogged down death struggle for both but the amount of divisions there was too great to ignore so I have put other infantry divisions on the south and north of the marsh ready to take over in stead of my wasting all my armoured as soon as possible

In the south I was going to gain enough ZOC for my infantry to keep up and save fuel on my armoured and plan a break through next turn but I noticed Psych0 was using his Motorised and Armoured as frontline scouts instead of reserves so I decided to do a bit of dmg to his AFV instead and only saved fuel on a couple of units

In the north I just let my armoured rest while my infantry caught up ready for a push next turn as any attempt to break through would result in a waste of fuel and Psych0 refilling the gaps with no ground gained

Good luck buddy I am enjoying this more than the first two turns now I took your advice and stopped trying to micromanage everything and I am finding my inefficient fumblings much more fun

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/12/2017 2:18:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, the screenies before I start my Soviet T3. First the Pskov area. First impressions is that it doesn't feel that I must retreat from those nice positions.

Sparkles, please note that Courland won't convert to Axis territory until you take the port (Ventspils).




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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/12/2017 2:21:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also around Vitebsk no critical threat. I might stay here too if I can strengthen the area west of VL.
PS: Axis rail converted up to and including Rokiskis this turn, so rapidly approaching. If I stay it'll probably only be this turn.




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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/12/2017 2:27:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Big pocket of stragglers in Pripyat marshes. I was hoping against hope to get those to safety. Not to be. But no move towards the Dnepr at all except further south in direction of Gomel.




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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/12/2017 2:28:56 PM   
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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/12/2017 2:31:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm surprised with the lack of Axis advance in the far south though, where the supply situation is best. I'll be able to evac LOTS of industry...




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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/12/2017 3:39:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the tips mate I will clear out courtland I did not know it would not change.
Thanks for the Shift K advice too I did not know that will help a lot

I will start post my own screenshots beginning next turn fella

Good luck on your turn

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/12/2017 5:08:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		A really odd thing happened south of Proskurov. See that single row of Soviet controlled hexes? That allows the Lvov pocket to regain a route back into supply. No hope of escaping but another turn they can be annoying there.

Not much need for unit rail transport this turn, so I evacuated all Arm+HI factories from Mogilev, Kirovograd and Odessa plus most from Nikolaev. Not giving the Krauts a thing!

Lastly, I decided to give Sparkles a chance to fight west of VL. Just hope he won't be able to break through. Also planning to defend Odessa. Such a nice ring of level 2-3 fortifications! I just hope I can evacuate those units to the Crimea once it gets too iffy in Odessa.

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/12/2017 6:05:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Soviet Pskov defense looks very formidable .. I see that the Lake Pskov bridgehead is covered .. as well as the avenues below the Sorot river ..
It will be interesting if you picked out the best units for this role ...

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/12/2017 6:11:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I have brought up some of my highest morale units and put them in 2 corps to AGN one under Model and Manstein will either go to the other or a panzer corp depending on what and when is needed
I did try to formulate a plan last turn on what to do about AGN but we shall see if it works next turn

If it is anything like every other move I have done so far I will fall firmly on my inexperienced face :)

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 9:05:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok unfortunately I didn't remember to print screen until I had already done AGN & AGC so I thought seen as it is best for us both doing to AAR's at the beginning of our turns it would be pointless to just show AGS

Anyhows in the centre my turn was the same usual nothing but I have managed to clean up the pockets and finally start my infantry moving and set up to move towards Gomel next turn hopefully now I can start moving although the centre is rather sparse of punching force so I imagine until I refocus and formulate a better strategy there it will be vert slow going

In the south I have made some ground and tried to leave myself with 2 avenues of attack depending on what Psych0 does but him opening the pocket with a line of 6 hexes 1 hex wide was annoying but I tried not to let it slow me down. Hopefully he did not set TOE low so they got reinforcements but still it is a paltry prize for my constant mistakes

The north however I would of loved to have shown you the screen shots of as is a rather devastating affair for Psych0 he left the little defensive hinge hex NW of Pskov undefended and as I planned to transfers a corp from 3rd panzer to 4th panzer if I could not penetrate the centre which I could not meant that Manstein the glorious gentleman that he is has penetrated incredibly far but you will have to wait for Psych0s screenshots to see the effect

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 11:02:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Auch that sounds ominous in the north. Will inspect the damage tonight. Good job Sparkles!

And re TOE in pockets... max set at 20% for all so no wasted reinforcements mate

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 11:11:45 AM   
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I just broke up one division and shipped all the rest east so it should not make much of a difference ultimately

Yes I managed to make it to Divenskaya NW on Novgorod I am eager to see how you react bud

Good luck on your turn fella

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 1:34:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, noooooo! Disaster. I feel like an utter NOOB. Oh, wait a minute, I am! Ah well, no worries, who needs Leningrad

On the other fronts, no progress whatsoever so no need for screenies. Will Sparkles surprise me there next turn...





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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 1:51:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		holy moly. the 4th panzerarmee must be on Steroides.:)

well, that is the Problem with a single line defense. one weak spot is enough to ruin your day. i realy recommand the guide "the defense of russia beginns at pskov" from hardluck here for your next game.:)

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 2:14:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I messed up unfortunately the ones that reached so far are formerly of the 3rd panzer I should of broken through with them and then advanced with the 2 corps from the 4th and I would of had the full 50MP from Pskov I would of been able to cut off from reinforcements in it's entirety and sealed Leningrads fate in one a few easily dealt with turn but alas playing Axis for the first time is like learning all over again and my mistakes are massive and constant

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 4:02:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my gut I knew it wasn't wise to stay so close to those panzer concentrations. The 40+ CV stack west of Pskov was clearly not enough. Ah well, saves me hurting my brain about Leningrad and losing a lot of units in the process. Most industry evacuated. Good lesson. Did you use any HQ BU for this Sparkles?

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 4:08:52 PM   
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Ah well, no worries, who needs Leningrad






Have you taken all your industry out of Leningrad?


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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 4:11:54 PM   
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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 4:13:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am afraid you will have to find that out for yourself fella until I have finished my next turn then I will let you know what I did :)

You will have to send units next to my hungry fuel guzzlers to find out for now!

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RE: NOOBS LEARNING TOGETHER (SparkleyTits Axis vs Psych... - 10/13/2017 4:14:21 PM   
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