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Question about A2A missiles - 10/14/2017 12:49:07 PM   
AceOfSpadeszzzzzz

 

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Status: offline 		In the attached file, all 6 AIM-120D fired by Stinger 1 overshot the J-10, and it seems that in v1.13 many missiles are more likely to overshoot the target, so is it designed to be so or it is an unexpected side effect caused by the new feature?

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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/14/2017 1:43:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unable to reproduce the problem here (using B972.2). Anyone observing this?

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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/14/2017 7:17:18 PM   
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2/22/2014 3:59:13 AM: Weapon: AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM P3I.3 #120 is attacking MiG-29 Fulcrum A with a base PH of 95%. PH adjusted for actual target speed (740 kts): 100%. MiG-29 Fulcrum A has nominal agility: 4.5, adjusted for altitude: 3.7. Agility adjusted for proficiency (Regular): 2.96. Aircraft has a weight fraction of 0.28 - Agility adjusted to 2.46. High-deflection impact (no effect on agility). Final agility modifier: -25%. Final PH: 75%. Result: 36 - HIT

I have a question about the A2A engagements. Listed above is a typical engagement that I have seen. Notice the original PH is 95%. The target is traveling pretty fast, at 740 kts, yet the NEW PH % is now 100%. It went up, despite going faster.

In all previous versions of this game, traveling at higher than normal cruise speeds usually lowered the PH%, not raised it.

Is this an intentional revision to account for some new formula, or is this an oversight?

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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/14/2017 7:22:59 PM   
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This was the message that I was referring to:

2/22/2014 3:59:13 AM: Weapon: AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM P3I.3 #120 is attacking MiG-29 Fulcrum A with a base PH of 95%. PH adjusted for actual target speed (740 kts): 100%. MiG-29 Fulcrum A has nominal agility: 4.5, adjusted for altitude: 3.7. Agility adjusted for proficiency (Regular): 2.96. Aircraft has a weight fraction of 0.28 - Agility adjusted to 2.46. High-deflection impact (no effect on agility). Final agility modifier: -25%. Final PH: 75%. Result: 36 - HIT

I have a question about the A2A engagements. Listed above is a typical engagement that I have seen. Notice the original PH is 95%. The target is traveling pretty fast, at 740 kts, yet the NEW PH % is now 100%. It went up, despite going faster.

In all previous versions of this game, traveling at higher than normal cruise speeds usually lowered the PH%, not raised it.

Is this an intentional revision to account for some new formula, or is this an oversight?



Can we please have one thing per thread?

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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/14/2017 7:36:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I loaded the OP's scenario and reset Stinger #1 and sent it after Warhorse #18. The engagement unfolded as expected,just luck of the die roll.

This is with B972.2


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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/19/2017 3:18:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello! Here is another save file, you can see all 12 AIM-120D fired within about 20 nm from their targets by 2 F-22s overshot their target. Is it intended to be so?

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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/19/2017 3:20:12 PM   
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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/19/2017 3:37:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AceOfSpadeszzzzzz

Hello! Here is another save file, you can see all 12 AIM-120D fired within about 20 nm from their targets by 2 F-22s overshot their target. Is it intended to be so?


Please provide a save from the moment the F-22s fired the missiles.

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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/20/2017 7:59:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I did this test again: testfired is the moment when f-22s fired the missiles and testresult indicates the result: all the missiles overshot again.

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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/21/2017 2:36:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, I ran your scenario several times and the engagement worked out as I would expect and the outcome appears normal. I've included one of the logs below.

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6:19:53 PM - 6:19:53 PM - Contact J-20 Mighty Dragon #884 has been lost.
6:19:53 PM - 6:19:53 PM - Weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5345 is attacking Road Runner #11 (J-20 Mighty Dragon) with a base PH of 95%. Road Runner #11 has nominal agility: 5.5, adjusted for altitude: 5.5. Agility adjusted for proficiency (Regular): 4.4. Aircraft has a weight fraction of 0.15 - Agility adjusted to 4.01. Agility adjusted for head-on impact effect: 2.4. Final agility modifier: -24%. Final PH: 71%. Result: 57 - HIT
6:19:53 PM - 6:19:53 PM - Defensive jammer (Generic DECM [Advanced]; Tech: Early 1990s) on Road Runner #11 is attempting to spoof sensor: Active Radar Seeker(Tech: Early 2010s)(Of: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5345). Final probability: 5%. Result: 14 - FAILURE
6:19:53 PM - 6:19:53 PM - Decoy (Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]; Tech: N/A) from Road Runner #11 is attempting to seduce sensor: Active Radar Seeker (Tech: Early 2010s)(Guiding weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5345). Final probability: 10%. Result: 30 - FAILURE
6:19:50 PM - 6:19:50 PM - New contact! Designated MISSILE #1585 - Detected by Road Runner #21 (F-22A Raptor) [Sensors: Mk1 Eyeball] at 341deg - 14.1nm - No Contrail Detected.
6:19:47 PM - 6:19:47 PM - Weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5337 has no eligible alternative target to be redirected to... going autonomous.
6:19:46 PM - 6:19:46 PM - Contact J-20 Mighty Dragon #1571 has been lost.
6:19:46 PM - 6:19:46 PM - Weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5341 is attacking Redcock 34 (J-20 Mighty Dragon) with a base PH of 95%. Redcock 34 has nominal agility: 5.5, adjusted for altitude: 5.5. Agility adjusted for proficiency (Regular): 4.4. Aircraft has a weight fraction of 0.21 - Agility adjusted to 3.85. Agility adjusted for rear-oblique impact effect: 3.3. Final agility modifier: -33%. Final PH: 62%. Result: 54 - HIT
6:19:46 PM - 6:19:46 PM - Defensive jammer (Generic DECM [Advanced]; Tech: Early 1990s) on Redcock 34 is attempting to spoof sensor: Active Radar Seeker(Tech: Early 2010s)(Of: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5341). Final probability: 5%. Result: 35 - FAILURE
6:19:46 PM - 6:19:46 PM - Decoy (Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]; Tech: N/A) from Redcock 34 is attempting to seduce sensor: Active Radar Seeker (Tech: Early 2010s)(Guiding weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5341). Final probability: 10%. Result: 82 - FAILURE
6:19:45 PM - 6:19:45 PM - Weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5336 has no eligible alternative target to be redirected to... going autonomous.
6:19:44 PM - 6:19:44 PM - New contact! Designated MISSILE #1584 - Detected by Blue Blaster #1 (E-2D Advanced Hawkeye) [Sensors: AN/APY-9] at 299deg - 154.2nm
6:19:42 PM - 6:19:42 PM - Contact: BOGEY #1582 has been classified as: J-20 Mighty Dragon - Determined as: Hostile (Classification by: SSN 792 Vermont [Virginia Class, Flight IV] [Sensor: AN/BLQ-10(V)1] at Estimated 144 nm)
6:19:42 PM - 6:19:42 PM - Contact: BOGEY #1581 has been classified as: J-20 Mighty Dragon - Determined as: Hostile (Classification by: SSN 792 Vermont [Virginia Class, Flight IV] [Sensor: AN/BLQ-10(V)1] at Estimated 150 nm)
6:19:36 PM - 6:19:36 PM - Contact J-20 Mighty Dragon #883 has been lost.
6:19:36 PM - 6:19:36 PM - Weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5335 is attacking Road Runner #12 (J-20 Mighty Dragon) with a base PH of 95%. Road Runner #12 has nominal agility: 5.5, adjusted for altitude: 4.9. Agility adjusted for proficiency (Regular): 3.92. Aircraft has a weight fraction of 0.16 - Agility adjusted to 3.54. High-deflection impact (no effect on agility). Final agility modifier: -35%. Final PH: 60%. Result: 11 - HIT
6:19:36 PM - 6:19:36 PM - Defensive jammer (Generic DECM [Advanced]; Tech: Early 1990s) on Road Runner #12 is attempting to spoof sensor: Active Radar Seeker(Tech: Early 2010s)(Of: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5335). Final probability: 5%. Result: 12 - FAILURE
6:19:36 PM - 6:19:36 PM - Decoy (Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]; Tech: N/A) from Road Runner #12 is attempting to seduce sensor: Active Radar Seeker (Tech: Early 2010s)(Guiding weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5335). Final probability: 10%. Result: 86 - FAILURE
6:19:34 PM - 6:19:34 PM - Contact J-20 Mighty Dragon #1570 has been lost.
6:19:34 PM - 6:19:34 PM - Weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5334 is attacking Redcock 33 (J-20 Mighty Dragon) with a base PH of 95%. Redcock 33 has nominal agility: 5.5, adjusted for altitude: 5.3. Agility adjusted for proficiency (Regular): 4.24. Aircraft has a weight fraction of 0.23 - Agility adjusted to 3.67. High-deflection impact (no effect on agility). Final agility modifier: -37%. Final PH: 58%. Result: 3 - HIT
6:19:34 PM - 6:19:34 PM - Defensive jammer (Generic DECM [Advanced]; Tech: Early 1990s) on Redcock 33 is attempting to spoof sensor: Active Radar Seeker(Tech: Early 2010s)(Of: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5334). Final probability: 5%. Result: 19 - FAILURE
6:19:34 PM - 6:19:34 PM - Decoy (Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]; Tech: N/A) from Redcock 33 is attempting to seduce sensor: Active Radar Seeker (Tech: Early 2010s)(Guiding weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5334). Final probability: 10%. Result: 67 - FAILURE
6:19:32 PM - 6:19:32 PM - Weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5333 is attacking Road Runner #12 (J-20 Mighty Dragon) with a base PH of 95%. Road Runner #12 has nominal agility: 5.5, adjusted for altitude: 4.4. Agility adjusted for proficiency (Regular): 3.52. Aircraft has a weight fraction of 0.16 - Agility adjusted to 3.18. High-deflection impact (no effect on agility). Final agility modifier: -32%. Final PH: 63%. Result: 75 - MISS
6:19:32 PM - 6:19:32 PM - Defensive jammer (Generic DECM [Advanced]; Tech: Early 1990s) on Road Runner #12 is attempting to spoof sensor: Active Radar Seeker(Tech: Early 2010s)(Of: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5333). Final probability: 5%. Result: 49 - FAILURE
6:19:32 PM - 6:19:32 PM - Decoy (Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]; Tech: N/A) from Road Runner #12 is attempting to seduce sensor: Active Radar Seeker (Tech: Early 2010s)(Guiding weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5333). Final probability: 10%. Result: 19 - FAILURE
6:19:29 PM - 6:19:29 PM - All weapon seekers were spoofed - weapon missed target
6:19:29 PM - 6:19:29 PM - Defensive jammer (Generic DECM [Advanced]; Tech: Early 1990s) on Redcock 33 is attempting to spoof sensor: Active Radar Seeker(Tech: Early 2010s)(Of: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5332). Final probability: 5%. Result: 4 - SUCCESS
6:19:29 PM - 6:19:29 PM - Decoy (Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]; Tech: N/A) from Redcock 33 is attempting to seduce sensor: Active Radar Seeker (Tech: Early 2010s)(Guiding weapon: AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4 #5332). Final probability: 10%. Result: 20 - FAILURE


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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/21/2017 3:26:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		But I ran it several times and none of them hit the target..... So are you using Build 972.5 for the test or previous version like v1.12?

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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/21/2017 3:33:50 AM   
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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/21/2017 8:30:09 PM   
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RE: Question about A2A missiles - 10/21/2017 8:57:32 PM   
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OldSarge, if you want, then then the latest build is B972.5


Thanks, I know that it is there. I'm just waiting for the official release of Shifting Sands.

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