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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 12:37:33 PM

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Thanks for getting me back on track, guys. I guess The Yamatos will head back to the Home Islands. I need to find the other BBs. I have no idea where they are, but if I had to guess, I'd say they're stationed in the SRA.

My wife, some time ago, "put away" my game and I can't find it. I need to find it to get the rules book to look up this stuff myself.

For 5 Fleet area, I'm going to move both CV fleets to the same hex. Do you guys recommend combining them or stacking the fleets?

Tony, I'm going to work on either Ominato or Hakodate to get a port to level 8. They both are at level 7 right now.

I really think I can destroy the US forces on Adak.

I know he has at least 3 CVs around Munda (Enterprise, Yorktown and Saratoga). Lexington took a Judy 500kg bomb in the Aleutians and is showing up as sunk (but did not sink). She's out of the picture, so there's Hornet (recently in the Aleutians), Wasp and Essex (neither of which I have seen yet). So it's possible they may arrive, but there's no sign of them.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 1:01:32 PM

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For 5 Fleet area, I'm going to move both CV fleets to the same hex. Do you guys recommend combining them or stacking the fleets?

My initial thought is to combine. Just because either TF could react towards the enemy CV and have less than ideal CAP. Maybe just a hex apart, but weather could effect strikes going each way. Neither TF is large enough to take care of itself, IMO.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 1:12:35 PM

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Thanks, Michael. I trust your opinion. I'll combine them.

China

Below is a shot of the remaining Chinese Army. Still very large but a good chunk of it is surrounded or beat up remnants.

The 101k in the SE is surrounded with no supply. I'm letting them wither.

The 67k NW of Changsha is in the process of being surrounded. I'll let them wither as well.

The 10k E of Chengtu is beat up and will be attacked by 3 Tank Division next turn.

The forces in Chengtu and the base to the south are fresh.

The 4 units to the west are remnants.

Chungking has all the units that were rebuilt. Probably some decent ones too.

I have 200k+ troops in 3 armies (plus other forces headed to that area from the rear too. My plan is to buy out the bombers from Manchuoko and use them to bomb Chungking to the Stone Age. Lots of pilot experience and little threat to the army. I'll buy out good divisions as I can to move to more important sectors. The two large groups I'll leave to wither because they have no supply.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 2:16:31 PM

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IJA divisions in China - buy out the heavy divisions with �43 infantry squads. That is what I�m doing as they should stand up better to Allied troops.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 2:17:44 PM

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Oh, my, goodness, Mike is back and this thread is alive! I had to dig out my forum's credential from my old computer just to say welcome back!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 2:21:14 PM

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My wife, some time ago, "put away" my game and I can't find it. I need to find it to get the rules book to look up this stuff myself.

If you mean teh actual manual, it can be downloaded here: ftp://ftp.matrixgames.com/pub/WarInThePacifc-AdmiralsEdition/WITP-Manual-[Promo].pdf

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 5:57:58 PM

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Thanks, Annagil! It's really good to be back. I downloaded the manual and it's only a promo, about 1/3 of the pages. I'll get there.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 6:41:03 PM

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ups. my bad. but I'll fix it. PM.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 6:54:53 PM

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Ahhh, my 'fix' is back.

This should be fun.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 8:48:00 PM

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Mike, I've sent you two PMs with a link to the actual manual, but neither appear in my sent folder. To rule automatic deletion by the system, could you confirm reception?

If not, if you provide me an email address, I'll send it there.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 8:52:46 PM

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Mike, I've sent you two PMs with a link to the actual manual, but neither appear in my sent folder. To rule automatic deletion by the system, could you confirm reception?

If not, if you provide me an email address, I'll send it there.

Annagil, I got it! Thanks much! I really appreciate it!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 8:55:12 PM

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Burma

This is a stalemate, which is great for me. I've stymied Ted since day one. In addition, I've trashed the RAF constantly. I'm gaining amazing amounts of experience for my pilots. I constantly pull out experienced pilots and replace them with rookies. Good things going on here!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 9:10:36 PM

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The SRA is humming along. I found my other 4 BBs at Singapore. I decided to hit Darwin again. I did it a while ago and trashed the place, destroying a bunch of Avengers in the process. I'm going to send in 2 bombardment fleet, each with 2 BB, 2 CA and escorting DDs. They'll hit 2 days in a row.

4 Fleet (Central Pacific) is still quiet, as it has been since the war's start. I continue to build up defending forces and forts. Should Ted decide to attack here, it'll be a grind for him.

Finally, SE Fleet.

Ted attacked and dropped off 2 divisions at Munda. I had sent KB1 (3 CV, 1 CVL), Soryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku and Ryujo composed of:

99 A6M5
30 A6M3a
54 D3A1
54 B5N2
18 B5N1
6 D5Y1-C Judy (naval search - on the Shokaku)

They're to the NE of Munda and unspotted.

Ted has 2 TFs in Munda's hex, the invasion fleet of a bunch of APAs and a CV TF of 3 carriers, Enterprise, Yorktown and Saratoga, with Hellcats. Note that the Hornet and Lexington were recently in the Aleutians so that leaves Essex and Wasp unaccounted for. I don't think those last 2 CVs are in the area.

I was planning on sending my carriers in to engage with the US CVs, but many of you suggested against it. I'm taking your advice. They're going to remain in the area. Should Ted's carriers withdraw and leave the APAs behind, then I'll take a shot. Otherwise, I'll withdraw. Munda is expendable. I will have to consider what to do with the Solomons garrison though.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 9:13:37 PM

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Finally, Akagi and Kaga completed their refits in the Home islands and are heading out to Truk. That's what, 4-5 days?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 9:31:53 PM

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Why Truk and not the Aleutians? The Allies will have to commit forces to capture Adak. Wouldn�t another 140 planes help more there? If Adak falls the rest of the Aleutians will fall soon afterwards, IMO.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 9:39:55 PM

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That's a good point, Michael. They only have an escort of 2 DD, but they'll merge with the rest of the carriers so it really doesn't matter.

Sorry about your Giants, but I'm a Browns fan, so I'd kill for them to have the Giants record.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 9:52:46 PM

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From a strategic point of view, you need to keep control of western Aleutians. With Allies at Adak the blockade of Japan can be easier done(manly subs). Losing a few bases in Solomons does not have any potential economic impact.
In my game Allies landed at Adak and Noumea within a few days. I went after further conquest in Aleutians because of these factors. Adak is now mine and just landed at Dutch Harbor.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 10:31:17 PM

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Yeah, I'm realizing that. I've been reading other AARs and see the futility of the Allies wasting time and resources taking base after base in the Solomons.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/5/2017 10:38:59 PM

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Burma

This is a stalemate, which is great for me. I've stymied Ted since day one. In addition, I've trashed the RAF constantly. I'm gaining amazing amounts of experience for my pilots. I constantly pull out experienced pilots and replace them with rookies. Good things going on here!

Yes, the only good thing for me about Burma ... great training ground for pilots. Can really train up a lot of high exp/skill pilots.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 9:14:48 AM

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Yeah, I'm realizing that. I've been reading other AARs and see the futility of the Allies wasting time and resources taking base after base in the Solomons.

In several games where I've played both sides in the SW and So Pac areas, around the Solomons and New Guinea, I've developed a different take on this theatre.

For the Allies this is an economic war in several ways, not just hitting oil and hitting industry. If the Japanese fight in the South, they have to carry everything with them down there. They spend a lot of fuel, a lot of supplies, a lot of airframes (transferring planes or having them sunk on ships) and they end up losing a lot of cutoff troops and other units. Ships have a long way to go for repairs and The Allies benefit from multiple island landing areas, so Japanese strong points can be by-passed.

The Solomons are strategic and economic. If Japan fights there they suffer. If they don't the Allies end up with a lot of quickly developed bases to strike at Cent Pac and move toward the PI.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 10:35:02 AM

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Morning Obvert. That is interesting. You are right, it does cost a lot in fuel and supply, and forces, which is basically HI. Unfortunately, the Japanese player must defend this area. If he doesn't, the Allies have a base for a dagger pointing right at the heart of Imperial Japan. One thing I have done from day one was to take a hard look at every base and make several decisions about it:
1. Do I want to occupy it?
2. Do I want to increase the port?
3. If so, by how many?
4. DoI want to increase the air field?
5. If so, by how much?
6. Do I want to build forts?
7. If so, how many?

In this AO, I have built up very few ports and airfields, but a lot of forts. At Munda, I built the fort level to 6 (now at 5), and the airfield to 2. Nothing else. I have a Naval Guard, an engineer company and some AS. The two divisions that have landed there will take it probably the next time he attacks. The cost to me will be everything there, and to him a few planes and most importantly, time. From my point of view, the Japanese player will lose. My goal is to last through September 1945. If I do that, it's a win. So I am playing for time. It is impossible for the Allied player to run out of stuff. Yes, early in the game he can have severe shortages of stuff, but it'll come eventually.

I can slow him down through campaigns like the one going on at Adak. I suspect he figured it would be easier than it is. He originally sent a division and an engineer regiment. No dice. He reinforced with two separate infantry regiments. Still no dice. Yes, I have to destroy them and I'm pushing enough strength (I think) to do that. I believe that eventually he'll give up on the Aleutians. We'll see. He's lost 1-2 BBs plus other small ships there. Yeah, he gets a lot, but that still hurts.

Basically, I feel I need to fight in the SE Fleet area. The more time and resources he expends there, the better for me. That's good stuff not somewhere where it really can hurt me.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 12:45:55 PM

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2. Do I want to increase the port?

Ports: Only a very few ports are worth developing. Fusan. Boela and Babo to level 2. Perhaps Guam. Perhaps a select few if you get Yamoto class BB. Hakodate, Ominato.

Maybe something else that services an early offensive...but you probably are better off not.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 1:14:48 PM

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I agree with you for the most part, Lowpe. I'd add Truk to the list. That base (to me) is probably the most important base in the south-central Pacific. (At least early & mid war.)

There were a handful of other base ports that I increased to support movement of oil/fuel/resources out or in. They were usually modest increases and based on the flow into those bases that are shipping stuff out and the size of the TFs (usually in Japan) receiving the stuff.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 1:19:01 PM

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There were a handful of other base ports that I increased to support movement of oil/fuel/resources out or in. They were usually modest increases and based on the flow into those bases that are shipping stuff out and the size of the TFs (usually in Japan) receiving the stuff.

I know you love that stuff, but spamming multiple small-tiny task forces is more effective if you can keep the subs at bay.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 1:26:56 PM

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Since it has been years and I'm getting confused, I've decided to re-read the whole thread and make an index for this while doing it, listing the main management posts, daily reports and interesting, little know, game mechanics.
With 88 pages of posts, it will take a while, tho, so this will be a work in progress, where I will give update announcements with a link to this post. That is, if Mike agrees.

Thread Index

Pre-game
■■■OOB analysis
■■■Resources logistic plans
■■■Merchant navy analysis
■■■Convoy planning
■■■The Singapore-Japan oil train
■■■Ship conversions and use
■■■Air power analysis
■■■Aircraft production
■■■Oil shuffling in the SRA
■■■Pilots' training
■■■Ships conversions and use 2
■■■Aircraft production 2
■■■]Engine production
■■■Factories and shypyards upgrades
■■■Ports and airfields upgrades
■■■Fleet arrangement
■■■Air HQ placement

Game - 1941
Pearl Harbour (after restart)
8 Dec 41
9 Dec 41
10 Dec 41
11 Dec 41
12 Dec 41
13 Dec 41
14 Dec 41
15 Dec 41 - fall of Wake
■■■Aircraft and Engine production 1
16 Dec 41 - fall of Adak
■■■Engines and Airframes - by SuluSea
■■■Upgrades relative to airframes - by SuluSea
17 Dec 41
18 Dec 41 - fall of Hong Kong and Brunei
19 Dec 41 - fall of Mersing
20 Dec 41
21 Dec 41
22 Dec 41
23 Dec 41
24 Dec 41
25 Dec 41 - fall of Rabaul
26 Dec 41
27 Dec 41
■■■On JAAF BF radars - by awaw
28 Dec 42 - CV Soryu torpedoed
29 Dec 41
30 Dec 41 - CV Hiryu torpedoed
31 Dec 41
■■■End of Dec 41 Stats
■■■Ship losses for Dec 41
■■■Airframe and engine production 2

1942
1 Jan 42
2 Jan 42 - fall of Clark Field
3 Jan 42 - Hiryu torpedoed and sunk
4 Jan 42
5 Jan 42
6 Jan 42 - fall of Guam
■■■CM conversion table
7 Jan 42
8 Jan 42
9 Jan 42
10 Jan 42
11 Jan 42
12 Jan 42
13 Jan 42
■■■Airlift Capacity
■■■On the Helen-Sally and aircraft R&D - by PaxMondo
■14 Jan 42 (and aircraft R&D)
■■■Aircraft R&D and upgrade paths
15 Jan 42
16 Jan 42
17 Jan 42
18 Jan 42
19 Jan 42
20 Jan 42
21 Jan 42
22 Jan 42
23 Jan 42
24 Jan 42
25 Jan 42
26 Jan 42
27 Jan 42
28 Jan 42
29 Jan 42
30 Jan 42
31 Jan 42

1 Feb 42
2 Feb 42
3 Feb 42
■■■On training ships in port
4 Feb 42
5 Feb 42 - Action off Merak
6 Feb 42
7 Feb 42 - Strike on Soerabaja
8 Feb 42 - fall of Rangoon
9 Feb 42 - invasion of Sumatra
10 Feb 42
11 Feb 42
12 Feb 42 - invasion of Java
14 Feb 42
■■■On HQ capabilities- by ny59giants and Correction
15 Feb 42
■■■On repair priorities - by Hanzberger
16 Feb 42
17 Feb 42 - air action off Darwin
18 Feb 42
19 Feb 42
20 Feb 42
21 Feb 42
22 Feb 42
23 Feb 42
■■■On sub deployement
■■■On carrier air composition
24 Feb 42
25 Feb 42
26 Feb 42
27 Feb 42
■■■On ship utilization by class
28 Feb 42

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 1:31:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Annagil

Since it has been years and I'm getting confused, I've decided to re-read teh whole thread and make an index for this while doing it with the main posts.
With 88 pages of posts, it will take a while, tho, so this will bea work in progress, where I will give update announcements with a link to this post. That is, if Mike agrees.

Thread Index

Pre-game
OOB analysis
Resources logistic plans
Merchant navy analysis
Convoy planning
The Singapore-Japan oil train
Ship conversions and use
Air power analysis
Aircraft production
Oil shuffling in the SRA
Pilots' training
Ships conversions and use 2
Aircraft production 2
]Engine production
Factories and shypyards upgrades
Ports and airfields upgrades
Fleet arrangement
Air HQ placement

Game - 1941
Pearl Harbour (after restart)
8 Dec 41
9 Dec 41
10 Dec 41
11 Dec 41
12 Dec 41
13 Dec 41
14 Dec 41
15 Dec 41 - Wake fall
Aircraft and Engine production 1
16 Dec 41 - Adak fall
Engines and Airframes - by SuluSea
Upgrades relative to airframes - by SuluSea
17 Dec 41
18 Dec 41 - Hong Kong and Brunei fall
19 Dec 41 - Mersing fall
20 Dec 41
21 Dec 41
22 Dec 41
23 Dec 41
24 Dec 41
25 Dec 41 - Rabaul fall
26 Dec 41
27 Dec 41
On JAAF BF radars - by awaw
28 Dec 42 - CV Soryu torpedoed
29 Dec 41
30 Dec 41 - CV Hiryu torpedoed
31 Dec 41
End of Dec 41 Stats
Ship losses for Dec 41
Airframe and engine production 2

Good for you, Mike should put this into his first post of the AAR!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 1:39:39 PM

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Timing... Pull back too early... the Allies are that much closer to the important stuff... too late and Japan has built POW camps that the Allies will put them in.

Japan needs to be Passive Aggressive for the most part. See what intensity and rhythm the Allies are playing at and then call the tune.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 2:09:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

quote:

ORIGINAL: Annagil

Since it has been years and I'm getting confused, I've decided to re-read teh whole thread and make an index for this while doing it with the main posts.
With 88 pages of posts, it will take a while, tho, so this will bea work in progress, where I will give update announcements with a link to this post. That is, if Mike agrees.

Thread Index

Pre-game
OOB analysis
Resources logistic plans
Merchant navy analysis
Convoy planning
The Singapore-Japan oil train
Ship conversions and use
Air power analysis
Aircraft production
Oil shuffling in the SRA
Pilots' training
Ships conversions and use 2
Aircraft production 2
]Engine production
Factories and shypyards upgrades
Ports and airfields upgrades
Fleet arrangement
Air HQ placement

Game - 1941
Pearl Harbour (after restart)
8 Dec 41
9 Dec 41
10 Dec 41
11 Dec 41
12 Dec 41
13 Dec 41
14 Dec 41
15 Dec 41 - Wake fall
Aircraft and Engine production 1
16 Dec 41 - Adak fall
Engines and Airframes - by SuluSea
Upgrades relative to airframes - by SuluSea
17 Dec 41
18 Dec 41 - Hong Kong and Brunei fall
19 Dec 41 - Mersing fall
20 Dec 41
21 Dec 41
22 Dec 41
23 Dec 41
24 Dec 41
25 Dec 41 - Rabaul fall
26 Dec 41
27 Dec 41
On JAAF BF radars - by awaw
28 Dec 42 - CV Soryu torpedoed
29 Dec 41
30 Dec 41 - CV Hiryu torpedoed
31 Dec 41
End of Dec 41 Stats
Ship losses for Dec 41
Airframe and engine production 2

Good for you, Mike should put this into his first post of the AAR!

This top part is definitely useful. Thanks! I've used the pages numerous times to refresh on the beginnings of the war and how to scale up the Japanese economy, not to mention conversions and R & D and other useful stuff.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 2:26:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Annagil

Since it has been years and I'm getting confused, I've decided to re-read teh whole thread and make an index for this while doing it with the main posts.
With 88 pages of posts, it will take a while, tho, so this will bea work in progress, where I will give update announcements with a link to this post. That is, if Mike agrees.

Thread Index

Pre-game
OOB analysis
Resources logistic plans
Merchant navy analysis
Convoy planning
The Singapore-Japan oil train
Ship conversions and use
Air power analysis
Aircraft production
Oil shuffling in the SRA
Pilots' training
Ships conversions and use 2
Aircraft production 2
]Engine production
Factories and shypyards upgrades
Ports and airfields upgrades
Fleet arrangement
Air HQ placement

Game - 1941
Pearl Harbour (after restart)
8 Dec 41
9 Dec 41
10 Dec 41
11 Dec 41
12 Dec 41
13 Dec 41
14 Dec 41
15 Dec 41 - Wake fall
Aircraft and Engine production 1
16 Dec 41 - Adak fall
Engines and Airframes - by SuluSea
Upgrades relative to airframes - by SuluSea
17 Dec 41
18 Dec 41 - Hong Kong and Brunei fall
19 Dec 41 - Mersing fall
20 Dec 41
21 Dec 41
22 Dec 41
23 Dec 41
24 Dec 41
25 Dec 41 - Rabaul fall
26 Dec 41
27 Dec 41
On JAAF BF radars - by awaw
28 Dec 42 - CV Soryu torpedoed
29 Dec 41
30 Dec 41 - CV Hiryu torpedoed
31 Dec 41
End of Dec 41 Stats
Ship losses for Dec 41
Airframe and engine production 2

Per Lowpe's suggestion, this post is now at the beginning of this infernal AAR. Thanks so much, Annagil!

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/6/2017 2:28:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Timing... Pull back too early... the Allies are that much closer to the important stuff... too late and Japan has built POW camps that the Allies will put them in.

Japan needs to be Passive Aggressive for the most part. See what intensity and rhythm the Allies are playing at and then call the tune.

Well said! Fortunately, if the Allies aren't cautious, the same can be said for them. Note the current Allied dilemma at Adak. To use Ted's comments in an email to me this morning, "Adak is problematic."

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