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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/29/2017 1:40:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are many factors that enter into this equation, but the most important is that Death Star won't be needed to escort the supply TFs for about a month. Half of the supply is still at sea and needs about that long to make it to the DEI. The escorting forces from the China/Korea TOO will therefore depart in about two or three weeks (in the meantime, I think there will be a major naval battle, but that's up to John more than to me). When the escorting TFs depart, Gunzan airfield will have been built large. As you note, I can commit combat TFs to the defense while the carriers are away. (We've gone through that routine before; each time, John has attacked the guarding combat TFs while DS was away and lost the ensuing battles, on the most recent occasion losing two and perhaps three BBs at Ningpo.)


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/29/2017 5:18:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		if I remember right .. one reason for flak going away is supply .. a minimum supply level is required I believe for flak to be noted. In fact, I recall being advised that monitoring flak is a good way to determine supply status of a potential target.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/29/2017 5:23:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, that's right. Every Japanese player knows to monitor flak at Manila and at Singapore as an indicator of when supply might be low, thus warranting an attack.

I've been doing the same thing at places like Shanghai and Hong Kong. But in Canton it was weird. One day, John's AA was firing heavily. The next, nothing. Not anything. The change was so abrupt that I think it's likely he put his AA in Reserve mode, to prevent firing in order to preserve supply for the pending ground battle. (But I could be wrong: he may be out of supply.)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/29/2017 9:52:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		All right .. it has been awhile, but I am still lurking in this forum .

I am most interested in Tsinan .. if that is supply (-) I have to believe everything north of Fusan is starving or about to ..

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/29/2017 9:55:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		John disappeared, probably due to a sudden work matter. I'm waiting for the turn, which I sent to him last night. It includes a general Allied deliberate attack at Tsinan (2450 AV vs. at least two IJA divisions and a mixed brigade, so tough). It should answer questions about his supply status and the viability of his northern China defenses.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 12:02:47 AM   
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All right .. it has been awhile, but I am still lurking in this forum .

I am most interested in Tsinan .. if that is supply (-) I have to believe everything north of Fusan is starving or about to ..

CR has effectively cut supply in southern Korea, but John can still bypass that block by shipping up the east coast to Kanko and Genzan.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 12:51:49 AM   
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All right .. it has been awhile, but I am still lurking in this forum .

I am most interested in Tsinan .. if that is supply (-) I have to believe everything north of Fusan is starving or about to ..

CR has effectively cut supply in southern Korea, but John can still bypass that block by shipping up the east coast to Kanko and Genzan.


I have yet to see activity on that side of the world .. either CR has no search arcs over there or the IJ are not floating anything that way ..
I suspect that up to now everything has been unloaded at Fusan .. If so .. it is kind of late to propagate supply at this point from Genzan it would take a lot to prime the pump so to speak
(From my experience moving supply from Alice Springs to Darwin .. I know different roads .. infrastructure etc)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 1:19:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		John has four ports in NE Korea, two level one and two level three. I've considered bombing the two level threes....but my goodness, there are so many higher priorities for bombers right now. It is a target rich environment.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 8:26:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		As for the DS and supply. John knows your tendencies and expects you to go on another supply escort mission. You say the convoy will not be ready for a bit, but not yet. That's fine. Why not pack up the DS , head south, and then sprint north after a few days? Bet you find a couple of surface combat task forces not expecting you to be home so soon.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 8:30:33 AM   
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As for the DS and supply. John knows your tendencies and expects you to go on another supply escort mission. You say the convoy will not be ready for a bit, but not yet. That's fine. Why not pack up the DS , head south, and then sprint north after a few days? Bet you find a couple of surface combat task forces not expecting you to be home so soon.


That is brilliantly devious!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 9:06:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's a great idea, John. I'll use it.

Death Star is refueling now and is 100% on sorties (thanks to AEs), so it's good to remain on station for weeks to come. John is massing everything against Korea. He has an army 200k strong now from Keijo to Fusan. And KB East was sighted today nearing the Marianas, almost certainly joining the rest of the fleet in the Home Islands. He's massing for a big attack, so I like the idea of pulling a move.

He probably plans to lean heavily towards Korea. With his buildup there, I'll switch over to the defensive, at least temporarily, protecting Gunzan and probably the base to the east in the forest, plus possibly keeping a blocking position at Keijo (utilizing the 4x urban). Two divisions 100% prepped for Keijo are at Shanghai ready to load....but I'm not going to risk loading troops until security in this region is more clear.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 2:56:48 PM   
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Funnel Cakes: The situation in Korea is about to pop, requiring a larger and less legible map. Excuse the image quality but I think it helps tell the story.

Korea is where John is going to strike. I'll be ready (I think). And this may open up things elsewhere, so that I have a bit more freedom of movement. That could be significant, for reasons I'll detail another time.





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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 2:58:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		One of the many oddities of this odd map is that the Allies have all kinds of shipyards forward now - Manila, Pescadores, Hong Kong and Shanghai. Lots of Allied combat ships have been repaired and are back at sea - the guys damaged in various battles near Ningpo, Fusan, etc.

And down at Manila, CV Lexington damage is down to 0/10/20. She can make 24 knots and is available for action if needed.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 3:16:17 PM   
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Fancy Pants: Hard fighting at Tsinan today gives some reason for optimism. I'd be really optimistic if I could devote all resources (air power!) here, but very soon everything will be needed to defend Korea.






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 7:56:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		It looks like low supply but forts ... maybe the multipliers are balancing out for now .. once forts gone .. units be gone ..

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 8:35:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		CR - BTW did taking Hwaiyin activate any planes or troops?

Do you have any available troops or plans for more airdrops?


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 9:05:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Will your defensive shift also consist of building forts at Gunzan to at least a modest level? Or have you already bulit some fortifications there in addition to the lvl 7 airfield? Also, any chance you can occupy the woods to the SE of Gunzan and force John to move through the heavy terrain or around you using the open lanes where your 2E's can work him over - assuming he comes.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 10:05:27 PM   
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CR - BTW did taking Hwaiyin activate any planes or troops?

Do you have any available troops or plans for more airdrops?


I'm not sure what the first question means. Activate whose/what planes or troops? I've never heard anything about Hwainan activing troops, so if your question is obvious to most folks, I'm clueless.

I have more paratroops available but no current plans to use them.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 10:07:31 PM   
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Will your defensive shift also consist of building forts at Gunzan to at least a modest level? Or have you already bulit some fortifications there in addition to the lvl 7 airfield? Also, any chance you can occupy the woods to the SE of Gunzan and force John to move through the heavy terrain or around you using the open lanes where your 2E's can work him over - assuming he comes.


Yes, I'm going to switch over to fort building as soon as the airfield reaches level 7 - a few more days.

Death Star will remain on station in the Yellow Sea for a couple of weeks or, if necessary, longer. The carrier TFs finished refueling today. All carriers and all combat ships at 100% sorties/ammo. So John will have to go through Death Star to really have a chance at mopping up in Korea.



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 11/30/2017 10:12:34 PM   
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I'm leaving town for a few days for a family funeral (not a sad one; more of a family reunion). I don't have time to post the usual map, but a few highlights.

Funnel Cakes: Allied fighters do a good job sweeping Moppo, scoring 2:1 or better in fighters downed. The Allied spearhead is pulling back in good order, thus far. Tomorrow fighters and about 50 B-24Js will target Keijo again. The enemy engineers seemed to repair most of the damage from yesterday's raid, which is troubling.

Fancy Pants: 150 B-24Js whacked Tsingtao (or however it's spelled) airfield good, destroying something like 40+ good fighters on the ground. The troops at Tsinan have pulled full supply, so they'll attack tomorrow. The attack is supposed to be preceded by sweeps and strikes by perhaps 75 B-24Js. At Canton, Allied bombardments continue to do good work, suggesting supply is indeed an issue there. Most of the Hong Kong reinforcements crossed the river without incident. The rest will cross tomorrow. The first probing attack will take place on the first full-supply-draw thereafter.

Malaya: The Allies take Kota Bharu.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/1/2017 12:49:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		In stock, Hwaiyin (92,50) is reinforced by the "8th Providence Chinese Corps" on 15 Apr 43. No planes, must've been thinking of someplace else.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/1/2017 5:21:01 AM   
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In stock, Hwaiyin (92,50) is reinforced by the "8th Providence Chinese Corps" on 15 Apr 43. No planes, must've been thinking of someplace else.


Press the "4" on your keyboard to bring up the country codes. I am fairly sure that only country code 100 invasion brings Japanese reinforcements - Depot divisions of poor quality (half-trained army recruits). Not sure about air or ships reinforcements. In my game I have taken some of the islands next to Japan proper (with country code 101) and no reinforcements were triggered. Also note the Paramushiro Jima is a trigger point but the rest of the Kuriles are not.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/1/2017 6:05:13 AM   
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2/16/45

Malaya: The Allies take Kota Bharu.


Times sure have changed since December of 41!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/1/2017 6:24:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		CR - a few pages back you brought up an isolated grave you found in the college forest. As a you probably know as a forester yourself a small grave like that could be inadvertently defaced by harvesting operations. If you have not already, please make sure the forest manager is aware of this grave and that it is identified on forest maps and in the GIS system. We used to have many of these "special places" marked in our system when i worked for industry. I thank you for your care of this site and remains buried there.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/1/2017 9:03:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any thoughts of using airdropped mines on the ports in sthn Korea?
I would also think that keeping those ports out of service, and therefore his LCU out of supply, would be a high priority.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/2/2017 2:07:08 AM   
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Any thoughts of using airdropped mines on the ports in sthn Korea?
I would also think that keeping those ports out of service, and therefore his LCU out of supply, would be a high priority.

Last I heard this was not effective because the enemy see you dropping the mines and immediately sweep them. It is also a dangerous mission for the bombers. It is probably OK for low-level ports lacking minesweepers, fighters and AA. Caveat - the prior statements were the gist of what I got from others who have done it, I have not tried aerial mining much.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/3/2017 2:14:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I have obviously been unclear. I'm trying to ask if Allied "reinforcements" arrived at the 'Base of Arrival' Hwaiyin (92,50), per the stock 'arrival schedule' ("View Intelligence Reports / Ground Reinforcement Schedule"). The "8th Provincial Chinese Corps" was scheduled to arrive on 15 Apr 43.

If the base is unavailable, I thought that the lcu would not arrive until the base was taken (becoming available).

Did the unit arrive?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/3/2017 2:23:18 AM   
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Well, I have obviously been unclear. I'm trying to ask if Allied "reinforcements" arrived at the 'Base of Arrival' Hwaiyin (92,50), per the stock 'arrival schedule' ("View Intelligence Reports / Ground Reinforcement Schedule"). The "8th Provincial Chinese Corps" was scheduled to arrive on 15 Apr 43.

If the base is unavailable, I thought that the lcu would not arrive until the base was taken (becoming available).

Did the unit arrive?


There is usually an alternate arrival base if the original is not available. The delay is usually less than a month. I am sure those troops would have shown up at Chungking or some other major base. At any rate (hey, that abbreviates aar!) Canoerebel can look at his unit list and tell you if the unit is on the map.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/4/2017 3:35:59 PM   
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KB South: It looks like John is detaching a carrier force to the DEI. This may allow him to deal with the "naked" Allied traffic serving the new beachhead at Patani or to give him at least the possibility of dealing with the LOC to Boela.

He probably figures he doesn't need all his carriers in the Home Islands, what with so many airfields there. To me, any enemy carrier not involved in a final showdown helps me that little bit. The game is about to crescendo in Korea, I think, but 300 enemy carrier planes will be in the Java Sea when that happens.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 12/4/2017 3:58:06 PM   
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Funnel Cakes: A good day, as a small Allied detachment batters a Japanese division on Korea's east coast and as Allied air hits Keijo airfield hard. John is building a massive force in Korea. It's may be a violent campaign, but he has no hope of winning (despite massive advantage in ground troops) unless he takes control of the air lanes and sea lanes. So seeing KB South head south was great news.

Fancy Pants: Progress made in attacking at Tsinan today. Tomorrow, the first Allied attack at Canton takes place.




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