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Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the airforce? - 12/9/2017 5:15:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		My 5th attempt (if I recall correctly?!) to shed some light on yet another aspect of the game. How does it work, I mean... above? The air-warfare, if one can call it that way, in TOAW IV... Well, I tried to discharge my voluntarily assigned duties to the best of my abilities. It's September 1944 and both sides, Germans and Soviets alike, got a few air units (and some ground targets) available to demonstrate how, in essence, the air-combat system in TOAW IV works. The setting is 6hrs/turn and our familiar 2.5km/hex Tutorial 'XX map.

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/9/2017 5:34:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, what have we got there? One Staffel of a Gruppe each of a Jagdgeschwader, Kampfgeschwader. Schlachtkampfgeschwader , Nachtjagdgeschader and finally a Schlachtgeschwader.

A Staffel (plural Staffeln) usually had nine to 12 aircraft. As such it was slightly smaller, on average, than a British, Soviet or US squadron.

In plain English - a fighter, bomber, close air support, night fighter and close support squadron.

Yes, they are not designed in the proper historical terms; as a Staffel/Gruppe/Geschwader should look more like 1./I/JG 1, as in 1. Staffel, I Gruppe, Jagdgeschwader 1. But that's not the point, but subject for another OOB and TO&E tutorial.

Now, what we're about to do with them and their specific roles/tasks?

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/9/2017 5:50:03 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/9/2017 6:12:12 PM   
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AIRCombat:
AIRCombat:Target of opportunity: Axis Bau.Abst.Rgt.101, OT Road.Kol.102.
Combat :Removing available equipment from combat inventory.
AIRCombat:Begin Soviet Union frictional air support (ground attack).
AIRCombat:Air Support: Soviet Union VVS, 3rd Gds FB.
AIRCombat:Begin frictional anti aircraft fire.
AIRCombat:Attempt Penetration: Soviet Union VVS, 3rd Gds FB.
AIRCombat:Committed to furball (escort): Soviet Union VVS, 1st Gds FB.
Combat :
Combat : Smite: Soviet Union VVS, 1st Gds FB, (other), attrition%= 2.
Combat : Weighted direct combat losses: 0%
Combat : Check morale: Soviet Union VVS, 1st Gds FB, ouch=0,ouch threshold=50.
Combat : Morale check passed (low casualties).
Combat : End smite...
Combat :
AIRCombat: Committed to furball: Soviet Union VVS, 3rd Gds FB.
Combat :
Combat : Smite: Soviet Union VVS, 3rd Gds FB, (other), attrition%= 2.
Combat : Axis weapons firing on Soviet Union Il-2.
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Soviet Union Il-2 by Axis weapon.
Combat : Il-2(1) destroyed.
Combat : Weighted direct combat losses: 3%
Combat : Check morale: Soviet Union VVS, 3rd Gds FB, ouch=34,ouch threshold=50.
Combat : Morale check failed (loss tolerance exceeded).
Combat : End smite...

Goodness me... For some reason the Reds knew some of our construction peeps where there and tried to interdict/strafe them!

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/9/2017 6:22:17 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/9/2017 6:47:20 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/9/2017 7:09:10 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/9/2017 7:15:27 PM   
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Combat :Begin Soviet Union attack on location 30,7.
Combat :Removing available equipment from combat inventory.
News :[R2, Red, FC, FC]
News :Axis Bau.Abst.Rgt.101, NSch.Lager defends [FC].
Combat :Removing available equipment from combat inventory.
News :Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB bombards the target [FC, R2].
Combat :Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB equipment added to combat inventory.
AIRCombat:Attempt Penetration: Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB.
News :Soviet Union VVS, 2nd Gds FB escort supports [FC, R0].
AIRCombat:Committed to furball (escort): Soviet Union VVS, 2nd Gds FB.
Combat : Soviet Union VVS, 2nd Gds FB escapes attrition (insufficient attack).
AIRCombat: Committed to furball: Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB.
Combat : Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB escapes attrition (insufficient attack).
AIRCombat:End penetration attempt.
Combat : Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB escapes attrition (insufficient attack).
ARTCombat:1206 kg/min weight of long range fire suppress entrenchment level in location 30,7 by 21%.
Combat : Defending unit under fire: NSch.Lager (attrit: 1)
Combat : Axis Bau.Abst.Rgt.101, NSch.Lager escapes attrition (insufficient attack).
Combat : Defending unit under fire: NSch.Lager (attrit: 0)
Combat : Axis Bau.Abst.Rgt.101, NSch.Lager escapes attrition (insufficient attack).
Combat :Removing available equipment from combat inventory.
News :Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB bombards the target [FC, R2].
Combat :Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB equipment added to combat inventory.
AIRCombat:Attempt Penetration: Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB.
News :Axis Luftwaffe, II/JG 1 intercept supports [FC].
AIRCombat:Committed to furball (escort): Soviet Union VVS, 2nd Gds FB.
Combat :
Combat : Smite: Soviet Union VVS, 2nd Gds FB, (other), attrition%= 0.
Combat : Weighted direct combat losses: 0%
Combat : Check morale: Soviet Union VVS, 2nd Gds FB, ouch=0,ouch threshold=50.
Combat : Morale check passed (low casualties).
Combat : End smite...
Combat :
AIRCombat: Committed to furball: Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB.
Combat :
Combat : Smite: Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB, (other), attrition%= 0.
Combat : Axis weapons firing on Soviet Union U-2VS.
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Soviet Union U-2VS by Axis weapon.
Combat : U-2VS(1) destroyed.
Combat : Axis weapons firing on Soviet Union U-2VS.
Combat : Potentially effective hit on Soviet Union U-2VS by Axis weapon.
Combat : U-2VS(1) damaged, sent to replacement pool.
Combat : Weighted direct combat losses: 21%
Combat : Check morale: Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB, ouch=189,ouch threshold=50.
Combat : Morale check failed (loss tolerance exceeded).
Combat : End smite...
Combat :
AIRCombat:Committed to furball (intercept): Axis Luftwaffe, II/JG 1.
Combat :
Combat : Smite: Axis Luftwaffe, II/JG 1, (other), attrition%= 2.
Combat : Weighted direct combat losses: 0%
Combat : Check morale: Axis Luftwaffe, II/JG 1, ouch=0,ouch threshold=50.
Combat : Morale check passed (low casualties).
Combat : End smite...
Combat :
AIRCombat:End penetration attempt.
Combat : Soviet Union VVS, 5th Gds LLB escapes attrition (insufficient attack).
ARTCombat:0 kg/min weight of long range fire suppress entrenchment level in location 30,7 by 0%.
Combat : Defending unit under fire: NSch.Lager (attrit: 0)
Combat : Axis Bau.Abst.Rgt.101, NSch.Lager escapes attrition (insufficient attack).
Combat : Defending unit under fire: NSch.Lager (attrit: 0)
Combat : Axis Bau.Abst.Rgt.101, NSch.Lager escapes attrition (insufficient attack).
News :Rounds(Start/Length/Total) : 3/2/4, Attackers broke off
News : Soviet Union approximate equipment and personnel losses - 4%
News : Axis approximate equipment and personnel losses - 0%
Combat :End Soviet Union attack on location 30,7.

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/9/2017 7:20:56 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 12:30:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very interesting and entertaining. Thanks for posting this! I have an simple question, how did you plan the air attack on the bridge? Was it a pop up option with the cursor on the bridge hex or an option with each air unit that allows you to select the bridge you wish to attack?

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 2:37:28 AM   
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Against the AI, I am lazy and always chose interdict/CS/Air Sup as needed, but never specific targets. What kind of job does the AI do on its own?

And thanks for this - and will really need help with the new naval aspects in a future tutorial.

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 7:56:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any air unit capable to bomb can attack bridges. Select the air unit, let the mouse cursor hover over a bridge and cross hairs should show up, right-click and there we go. he same goes for airfield and port attacks. I will post a screenshot after my morning hike soon. - Edit: attached. Note (thanks Bob!): 'The estimate assumes the planes will actually reach the target.' So, in this case it's estimated, that 7% of the planes reach the target, it's not the chance of destroying the bridge.

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 10:32:50 AM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 12:05:53 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 2:39:43 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 2:47:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the specific answer and, again, for the tutorial as a whole!

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 3:04:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John B.

Thanks for the specific answer and, again, for the tutorial as a whole!

Thanks John!

Words of encouragement boost my desire, moral and well... to plan yet another Tutorial :)

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 3:08:49 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 3:30:13 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 3:37:03 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 3:50:15 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 4:10:35 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 4:20:43 PM   
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Combat : Smite: Axis 106.Inf.Division, StuG.Abt.106, (anti-armor), attrition%= 4.
Combat : Soviet Union weapons firing on Axis Sturmhaubitze 42.
ATCombat : 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3) current terrain/lighting/weather dependent accuracy: 10%.
ATCombat : Sturmhaubitze 42 target cross section bias: 109%.
ATCombat : 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3) current effective accuracy vs. Sturmhaubitze 42: 10%.
ATCombat : No hit on Axis Sturmhaubitze 42 by Soviet Union 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3). (shot missed)
ATCombat : 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3) current terrain/lighting/weather dependent accuracy: 10%.
ATCombat : Sturmhaubitze 42 target cross section bias: 109%.
ATCombat : 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3) current effective accuracy vs. Sturmhaubitze 42: 10%.
ATCombat : No hit on Axis Sturmhaubitze 42 by Soviet Union 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3). (shot missed)
ATCombat : 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3) current terrain/lighting/weather dependent accuracy: 10%.
ATCombat : Sturmhaubitze 42 target cross section bias: 109%.
ATCombat : 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3) current effective accuracy vs. Sturmhaubitze 42: 10%.
ATCombat : No hit on Axis Sturmhaubitze 42 by Soviet Union 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3). (shot missed)
ATCombat : 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3) current terrain/lighting/weather dependent accuracy: 10%.
ATCombat : Sturmhaubitze 42 target cross section bias: 109%.
ATCombat : 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3) current effective accuracy vs. Sturmhaubitze 42: 10%.
ATCombat : No hit on Axis Sturmhaubitze 42 by Soviet Union 76.2mm AT Gun (ZiS-3). (shot missed)
ATCombat : T-34/76 (late) current terrain/lighting/weather dependent accuracy: 10%.
ATCombat : Sturmhaubitze 42 target cross section bias: 109%.
ATCombat : T-34/76 (late) current effective accuracy vs. Sturmhaubitze 42: 10%.
ATCombat : No hit on Axis Sturmhaubitze 42 by Soviet Union T-34/76 (late). (shot missed)
Combat : Weighted direct combat losses: 0%
Combat : Check morale: Axis 106.Inf.Division, StuG.Abt.106, ouch=0,ouch threshold=50.
Combat : Morale check passed (low casualties).
Combat : End smite...

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/10/2017 4:30:54 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/11/2017 10:56:36 AM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/11/2017 12:45:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Impressive tutorial as usual.

How did you know that 85mm AA guns are effective against high altitude aircrafts and not low ones (from the database?)?
Can you select the strike altitude (like in WitW)?

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/11/2017 1:45:10 PM   
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Impressive tutorial as usual.

How did you know that 85mm AA guns are effective against high altitude aircrafts and not low ones (from the database?)?
Can you select the strike altitude (like in WitW)?

Bedankt, Xavier!

As for your question(s)... a picture says more than 1,000 words, nein?
And NO, unlike in WitW (were they certainly did a hell of a job to tweak the air-combat system), you can't select the attack altitude I am afraid.

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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/11/2017 2:02:13 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/11/2017 2:47:43 PM   
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RE: Tutorial '44 - Ouch! Furball! and What about the ai... - 12/11/2017 3:34:30 PM   
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