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Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 11/30/2017 11:29:17 PM   
ny59giants


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Status: offline 		I did a long Win 10 update this morning. Now the game has random squares/rectangles from the main screen show up and make it difficult to click on anything. Any possible solutions for this??
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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 11/30/2017 11:54:56 PM   
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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 5:41:02 AM   
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I did a long Win 10 update this morning. Now the game has random squares/rectangles from the main screen show up and make it difficult to click on anything. Any possible solutions for this??



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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 12:13:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like it may be the same Win 10 update that was seen to cause problems in this thread: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4366960

I'm not looking forward to when my two computers eventually force me to upgrade. One thing mentioned in that thread that might help is to close all other windows before starting AE so there is nothing else to "bleed through".

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 2:08:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, looks like the same problem I had. I never got it fixed, I just learned to live with it. I hope you come up with something I can try.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 3:21:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I’ve gone with Windows mode (-w) and closed all other windows. Seems to work, but have some jitters when air bombardment screen is up. Need to get bottom taskbar to hide.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 3:21:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		My bleed through is wallpaper, same for any of you?

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 3:34:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mine flashes back & forth. I will be clicking, then the time/date box will pop in. Move the mouse a bit, it goes away. A few clicks later and maybe this time the whole thing minimizes into the top left corner. Moving the mouse over the newly created AE hot bar brings everything back. Changing the switches fixed the problem, but created a 1 minute delay between clicks

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 3:50:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is exactly my problem. What switches did you try? I tried -w but now I have a smaller game window. Inconvenient and annoying unless I get new resolution to correct it. I have not tested it yet

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 4:03:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I took out -dd_sw, but that slowed the game to a crawl. I put it back in, game plays, but I have the video issue. I just live with it.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 5:23:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I rolled back to update 1703. Then switched windows update to manual (thru control panel, administrative tools). I will skip update 1709.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 6:08:53 PM   
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Well, I rolled back to update 1703. Then switched windows update to manual (thru control panel, administrative tools). I will skip update 1709.

Sadly, you can't. They only let sou slide for a certain period of time.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/1/2017 6:18:07 PM   
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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/2/2017 12:45:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Still holding on to my old DOS games which were promised to play on win 3.1....(lol)

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/2/2017 4:46:57 PM   
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Still holding on to my old DOS games which were promised to play on win 3.1....(lol)



I have the "Archives Silver Edition" of the old DOS "Forgotten Realms" series of D&D role-play games (Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades, Pool of Darkness, etc). They work fine in a DOS window but combat and movement happen uber-fast! Still fun after all these years.

EDIT: Sad thing is they are on a CD with a security key system to start the games, and newer PCs do not have CD/DVD players. Wish I knew how to port the games to a memory stick device and get around the security software (which requires you to find a word in the manual by page and line).

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/8/2017 9:04:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah did the 1709 update today. Not super brutal but annoying enough, same thing with the wallpaper showing up where mouse over pop up boxes have been.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/8/2017 9:09:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: m10bob

Still holding on to my old DOS games which were promised to play on win 3.1....(lol)



I have the "Archives Silver Edition" of the old DOS "Forgotten Realms" series of D&D role-play games (Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades, Pool of Darkness, etc). They work fine in a DOS window but combat and movement happen uber-fast! Still fun after all these years.

EDIT: Sad thing is they are on a CD with a security key system to start the games, and newer PCs do not have CD/DVD players. Wish I knew how to port the games to a memory stick device and get around the security software (which requires you to find a word in the manual by page and line).


Just so you know, you can get these from Gog for very little money and they come preconfigured for dosbox use.
Look for Forgotten Realms archive #2

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/9/2017 3:26:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BillBrown

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: m10bob

Still holding on to my old DOS games which were promised to play on win 3.1....(lol)



I have the "Archives Silver Edition" of the old DOS "Forgotten Realms" series of D&D role-play games (Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades, Pool of Darkness, etc). They work fine in a DOS window but combat and movement happen uber-fast! Still fun after all these years.

EDIT: Sad thing is they are on a CD with a security key system to start the games, and newer PCs do not have CD/DVD players. Wish I knew how to port the games to a memory stick device and get around the security software (which requires you to find a word in the manual by page and line).


Just so you know, you can get these from Gog for very little money and they come preconfigured for dosbox use.
Look for Forgotten Realms archive #2

Thanks Bill! I have never heard of Gog so will do some searching.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/9/2017 5:46:19 AM   
ny59giants


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Status: offline 		Before starting AE, I click on "Settings" and "Personalization" and "Taskbar" and "Automatically hide taskbar in desktop mode" to ON. I undo it after I'm through the turn and ready to send it back to my opponent. Yes, its a few more clicks each turn, but I already do too many.

My switchs are....
"C:\Matrix Games\War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition - Brian\Beta2\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -deepColor -archive -dd_sw -px1920 -py1080 -w

Yes, I still get a some jitter in the Combat Replay screen, but its tolerable.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/9/2017 8:43:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have done some testing. It seems that running Fullscreen (the -f switch) will always have the "bleed-through" effect.
Using the -w switch (windowed mode) does not seem to have this effect. The problem with windowed mode is the size of the window.
When you use your monitors native resolution for the -px and -py switches, the window is too big. Especially the taskbar is overlapping the game window. The Hide Taskbar option will alleviate this, but there are still some pixel overlapped by the tiny bar on the bottom.

To solve this problem you have to adjust the size of the window.
For a monitor with a native resolution of 1920x1080 (at 60Hz) that would mean to set the window size using -px1980 -py1000.
If your graphics card does support this resolution (unlikely) that is all what it takes.
On my Intel HD 530 that resolution does not work, since 1980x1000 is no valid monitor resolution.

BUT: The Intel driver allows to define custom monitor resolutions. My native language is german, so I have guess at what the english translation is. I think it should be something like this: In the taskbar there is an icon for the Intel Graphic Settings. Opening this settings leads to a screen, where you click on the Display picture. On the following screen choose Custom Resolution. Confirm with Yes. Enter the values for Width (1980), Height (1000) and Refresh rate (60). Click Add. Confirm with Yes.
That's it.

If your window seems to wide you can also use a lower value instead of 1920. NOTICE: sometimes the value you enter is not the value that is created. Eg.: when I entered 1900 x 1000 x 60, the created resolution was 1904 x 1000 x 60. You have to adjust your -px and -py values accordingly.

For different GPU manufacturers there should be a similar method.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/9/2017 2:43:38 PM   
Major Shane


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Status: offline 		I have had the same problem since installing the Win10 update. Thanks to this post I was able to solve the issue by taking two actions.

1. I turned off the transparency button that "witpqs" mentioned in his post above. This didn't solve the problem, but it improved my scrolling speed.

2. I added the "-w" to the command string. I have my task bar to small icons, auto hide. My command string is: "C:\Matrix Games\War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -px1366 -py768 -skipVideo -archive -fd -altFont -deepColor -cpu4 -SingleCpuOrders -SingleCpuStart -multiaudio -dd_sw -d -w"

I did not make any changes to the Win 10 updates. My computer is running Win 10 on and AMD A8-7410 APU with AMD Raedon R5 Graphics 220 GHz.





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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/9/2017 3:14:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have the same problem w10, last update.

Try the option of the Witpqs message. It did not work And I left it as my w10 was configured.

I just tried the window -w configuration has really stopped showing the problem, with a small loss obviously on top because of the appearance of the program name.

"C: \ GAMES \ WITP-AE \ War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -skipVideo -SingleCpuOrders -fixedArt -altFont -multiaudio -dd_sw -deepColor -fd -px1280 -py1024 -d -w

I will try with some resolutions, as one of you comments, to try to win some screen.


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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/10/2017 2:08:12 PM   
Capt Cliff


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Status: offline 		I don't have this "Make Start, Taskbar, and action center transparency" switch in my Colors settings window!!??...

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/10/2017 2:44:55 PM   
Capt Cliff


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Status: offline 		Problem NOT solved ... BUT MAYBE! I added the -f command and it seems to disable the flaggy windows key and no more bleed through. But after closing all my windows and restarting the game the bleed through was back. Is there a way to disable the Window Flag Key? That might solve the problem.

OK! I added a px and py value to the command line -px3000 -py2000 ... with a -f command. Just a -f command don't work. Now here's something weird if I run it with 2 or more other windows open, say Chrome and control panel or what ever, then the problem seems to go away or is not as bad. But it is still lurking. If I close all windows and run WitP the problem comes back ... This is nuts ... I still need a stable fix.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/10/2017 3:37:57 PM   
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I have done some testing. It seems that running Fullscreen (the -f switch) will always have the "bleed-through" effect.
Using the -w switch (windowed mode) does not seem to have this effect. The problem with windowed mode is the size of the window.
When you use your monitors native resolution for the -px and -py switches, the window is too big. Especially the taskbar is overlapping the game window. The Hide Taskbar option will alleviate this, but there are still some pixel overlapped by the tiny bar on the bottom.

To solve this problem you have to adjust the size of the window.
For a monitor with a native resolution of 1920x1080 (at 60Hz) that would mean to set the window size using -px1980 -py1000.
If your graphics card does support this resolution (unlikely) that is all what it takes.
On my Intel HD 530 that resolution does not work, since 1980x1000 is no valid monitor resolution.

BUT: The Intel driver allows to define custom monitor resolutions. My native language is german, so I have guess at what the english translation is. I think it should be something like this: In the taskbar there is an icon for the Intel Graphic Settings. Opening this settings leads to a screen, where you click on the Display picture. On the following screen choose Custom Resolution. Confirm with Yes. Enter the values for Width (1980), Height (1000) and Refresh rate (60). Click Add. Confirm with Yes.
That's it.

If your window seems to wide you can also use a lower value instead of 1920. NOTICE: sometimes the value you enter is not the value that is created. Eg.: when I entered 1900 x 1000 x 60, the created resolution was 1904 x 1000 x 60. You have to adjust your -px and -py values accordingly.

For different GPU manufacturers there should be a similar method.


Using the -w command and you px py values always gives me a small window that I can not enlarge. I have a Radeon R7 370 so I am not sure what it's max px py values are but the window display is about 33% of my total screen capability. I tried px3000 and py 2000 but the window size is always the same.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/10/2017 4:13:32 PM   
Capt Cliff


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Status: offline 		Ok, I tried something I found on the web something about bleed through with other programs. Go to Control Panel > System > Advance System Settings > Performance Settings > Advance and change Adjust for best performance to Programs. It seems to work BUT it does occasionally bleeds through but it is some what manageable, just click on an empty sea hex. We need a stable fix!!

Sorry to say but the above method is not working! I even tried the disabling of the Enable Peek function to no avail! The desktop continues to bleed through onto the game display. It is definitely a mouse over problem. Are there any program switches that deal with the mouse?

The game is unplayable in this condition, unless you play in window mode (-w) with a postage size screen display! Inputting px & py values has no affect on the -w window size. Using -w + -f doesn't work either. Sad end for this game.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/10/2017 11:23:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have tried with several screens, in the end I am left with the resolution -px1280 -py1024 -w -d
If I do so directly, I do not see the industry line.
So I had to go back to properties and run this program in compatibility mode for W8.
So I can see that line (not entire) without much screen loss in that resolution.
If I want to see that line in its entirety I have to go to py960

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/11/2017 7:58:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		A solution, at least for me. I eliminated the -dd_sw switch from my command line and it worked. *knock on wood*

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/11/2017 9:56:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		That configuration works for me .. Thank you.

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RE: Today's Wn 10 update is causing... - 12/12/2017 1:35:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, so my desktop started asking me to update to this Win10 version. I still have my laptop so I went for it. Now, I have always played in windowed mode and didn't change any of my switches so I was pleasantly surprised to not see this bleed through issue after the update. I think I am confirmation that windowed mode does not have this problem. Can anyone else confirm this?

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