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Blitzkrieg any good? - 5/25/2003 10:08:21 PM   
Mr.Frag


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Status: offline 		Looked at the demo and it seems to be CC on steroids but it also seems to be a tad too scripted too, falling more in line with a strategy game instead of a war game.

Anyone actually have it care to comment?
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- 5/25/2003 10:34:36 PM   
U2


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Status: offline 		Yes, I like it!

Some people seem to be extatic about it, I'm not as a hardcore wargamer but I truly enjoy gaming it. It's fun!

Depends on what you want. What really makes me give this a thumbs up is that there are 1939-45 campaigns as the Germans and later Allied (starts with Norway I think)) and Russian (not checked starting date...)

My first German campaign has already given me hours of fun and I'm only at 1941. I often have to replay maps since I'm to agressive and get my butt kicked by the AI:D

So is it fun? Yes! + The campaign mode makes this a winner.

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- 5/25/2003 11:35:35 PM   
Mr.Frag


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Status: offline 		Thanks, coming from you thats pretty high praise!

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Blitzkrieg - 5/25/2003 11:38:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I actually played the demo and loved the graphics!! I is basicall Sudden Strike part 2. I loved the game except that it was too easy. They really need to step up the difficulty level.

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- 5/25/2003 11:39:01 PM   
U2


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr.Frag
[B]Thanks, coming from you thats pretty high praise! [/B][/QUOTE]

:)

Just remember to look at it as an action movie, not very deep but darn entertaining.

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- 5/25/2003 11:41:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think i tried the demo and the game felt pitiful. Gotta check the wargamer review.

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- 5/25/2003 11:46:05 PM   
U2


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Zakhal
[B]I think i tried the demo and the game felt pitiful. Gotta check the wargamer review. [/B][/QUOTE]

I did not like the demo either....so I took a chance and it turned out to be the right one (for me. not saying you would like it)

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- 5/26/2003 12:27:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		RTS and WW2 dont mix

I sugest picking up the original sudden strike for abot $10 and if you like that move on.
I cant get past the total unrealisticness of it...hitting a tank several times until its health bar runs out...

I love good rts like Starcraft and Red Alert 2...but those are fun because the subject matter is unrealistic

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- 5/26/2003 12:33:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		As for "sudden strike" games, cc generals is the best, though a bit short one.

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- 5/26/2003 12:34:41 AM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Status: offline 		Unfortunately, for me, if Blitzkrieg was twice as good or even three times as good as SS2 I would say it was still just an RTS game.

The game might be fun, but then, I know some like teaching grade three as well.

All in all, if you don't like Sudden Strike II you won't find enough different about Blitzkrieg.

SS II had neat graphics, buit it looked to much like grade three dynamics with guns.

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- 5/26/2003 1:54:53 AM   
Marc von Martial


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Status: offline 		The Wargamer has a preview up:

http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/blitzkrieg/


that might very well be more usefull then a couple of comments from the RTS haters here ;).

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- 5/26/2003 2:42:42 AM   
U2


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Marc Schwanebeck
[B]The Wargamer has a preview up:

http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/blitzkrieg/


that might very well be more usefull then a couple of comments from the RTS haters here ;). [/B][/QUOTE]

RTS is fun stuff and I'm really a hardcore turn based wargamer:)

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- 5/26/2003 2:56:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
[B]
All in all, if you don't like Sudden Strike II you won't find enough different about Blitzkrieg.

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How do you know this? Did you buy Blitzkrieg?

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- 5/26/2003 3:48:31 PM   
Marc von Martial


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by U2
[B]How do you know this? Did you buy Blitzkrieg? [/B][/QUOTE]

U2,

Les knows all the games, you know, he has played them all or gathered so much hearsay about them that he just knows what they´re about. Or he looks over the shoulder of his friends playing them. ;)

We had this discussion very often know, allways Les steps up and gives his two cents, then he falls back to his monologues about boardgaming and that all he will ever need for the rest of his live will be probably CL and that he won´t be buying any more games after that , hehe ;)

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Hey what's wrong with RTS??? - 5/26/2003 6:14:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some of the best fun I've had online (sorry Pamela) has been RTS :mad: Lets not overllok the fact that playing games is about having fun! otherwise it would be called work, right?

I love playing the historical stuff but lets face it to a newcomer it is probably dry and dull. If creating RTS games in a ww2 setting can get more kids interested and spending their (parent's) dollars in the genre that benefits all of us.

I think RTS is a much maligned genre but in my opinion there is nothing like it for easy non-cerebral fun head to head on the internet. Perhaps Les you are getting too old in the mind to have some fun playing. I am 39 and if I didn't sometimes get the opportunity online to 'own yooz' I would go (even) madder :)

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- 5/26/2003 8:20:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed, nothing wrong with RTS games, especially ones that have gotten around the gather phase and let you get right down to work.

I have very fond memories of Outpost II, which in my eyes had the best story line ever written into a game. I played mission after mission just to get the next chapter in the story. Best RTS there ever was.

Depending on how you classify games, Close Combat was a RTS, Harpoon II was an RTS, Great Naval Battles were RTS.

Turn based games are great from a detail level generally, but they just don't apply the same level of stress that comes out of games running in real time. There is something unique that comes from never having enough time to be perfect (turn based) and it drives you to a new level that you just can't get from Turn Based games.

Don't get me wrong, I'll be the first to plunk down insane amounts of money if someone re-creates Avalon Hill's Jutland as I love naval battles but I play all game types.

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- 5/26/2003 8:57:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems like the next RTS just hit the shelves; WWII: Frontline Command.

Isometric view (gah!), but true 3D (as in a wall is a wall, hide behind it and the enemy won't see you), true fog of war (as in you won't know the enemy is there until your troops can see him) and supposedly true modelling of tanks/armor along with a decent AI. Says the reviewer at Gamesdomain at least. :rolleyes:

Might be worth a demo download until EYSA is here. ;)

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- 5/26/2003 8:58:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Belisarius
[B]Might be worth a demo download until EYSA is here. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

I was happily surprised that the target for EYSA is early July:)

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- 5/26/2003 10:23:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE][B]Don't get me wrong, I'll be the first to plunk down insane amounts of money if someone re-creates Avalon Hill's Jutland as I love naval battles but I play all game types. [/B][/QUOTE]
Mr. Frag...have you ever looked into this Jutland title?

http://209.216.35.193/Pages/products/NavCamp/Jutland/jutland.html

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- 5/26/2003 10:54:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I asked about HPS Jutland and pretty much everyone flamed John Tiller as the worst programmer ever to live on planet earth so I shied away from the title much as I'd love to see AH's Jutland.

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- 5/26/2003 11:01:32 PM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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Status: offline 		That's 2.5 cents now Marc, remember our dollar is worth more now hehe.

Yep I am opinionated, yep I don't always own the game. Never stopped anyone else from commenting, you can bet it isn't relevant here either as a fault hehe.

RTS games are all the same in the same way that all turn based games are the same. What does that say that is revolutionary? Nothing.

Cool is games like Up Front, where the hex vs no hex argument doesn't even work for either side.

Cool is software that allows me to play a board game with my computer thus frustrating the popular argument computer games allow me to play other people anytime anywhere, well ya can do that with board games too.

But I am not entirely anti computer wargaming, I just won't let delusional concepts hold sway while I am around.
Only downside to online multi user gaming currently is expense. It's not like it isn't fun. But needing to buy a new computer, and shellout 20 some bucks a month to play does tend to dampen the enthusiasm.

Spent the week watching a buddy play the new Planetside online game. Looks good. Rewards finding a squad of guys that can understand the need to combine efforts intelligently. But while one buddy was playing it all darned day, the other retreated back to Counterstrike (it doesn't cost him anything apparently).

Given a choice with no expense factor present, I would have to say the multi user experience will always trump any RTS game, regardless of the RTS game's supposedly awesome graphics.
RTS is only a letter letter term for kidding yourself. It isn't real time at all.
Online multi user gaming is real time. Nothing else is.

That said, I never said Blitzkrieg was a bad game, likely just not anything sufficiently new to get emotional about.

I won't be upset, when the wargaming crowd informs me that Combat Leader is "not sufficiently new enough to be worth the effort". I am actually expecting a lot of people to say just that.
To me Combat Leader will be mostly about Steel Panthers like wargaming with modern software capabilities.

Remember, I can be seen as having stated elsewhere, that I bought Century of Warfare mostly so I had an XP friendly copy, not because I thought the game was in any way radically new.

When all is said and done though, me thinks some people are just annoyed, at my capacity to speak my mind as I see it. I call the shots as I percieve them, and owning a game does not always equate to having been wiser.

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- 5/28/2003 8:43:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok, spent 2.5 hours with broadband to dl the demo. 100mb. didnt work. intro video and menu were fine but, when i hit the play button, it says file blah blah refers to file blah blah cannot find program needs to close.
i went through the forums, looks like i got a bad dl.
however, there were enough problems on the forum with different video cards, not enough video memory, etc. to make me say screw it.
ever tho maker says min 8 mb video card, 8mb onboard doesnt seem to cut it.
i enjoy rts to a point. the older i get the less stress i can take. spwaw is slow enough for me, there is still some stress in making decisions or waiting to see what the enemy is going to do. i can save it and walk away when i get too tired. old eyeballs are able to see the icons. i have cc5 and cc2. cc5 is hard for me to see. starcraft was fun, easy to see, until i got high enough into the difficulty to find it impossible. i'm just not fast enough with the mouse eye hand thing.

it is just a game.......repeat till calm

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- 5/28/2003 9:03:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I usually break out an rts click fest when my two year old is out and about, in between me dodging barney dolls and infant drool im not in that sit down with a cup of coffee and think mode I am in usually with a UV or a cmbb/cmbo pbem game.

While I do not care for RTS as much as the alternative, some companies get it right. StarCraft and Warcraft and the C&C games are among my collection, would take a great deal of courage for me to get a WW2 style game that was pure RTS. I guess it would be hard for me to visualize a good rts ww2 style game that did not have hexes, hehe.

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- 5/28/2003 9:36:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		The nice thing about RTS is you are generally dealing with something that fits in nicely into that 15-45 minute catagory.

Once you see HEXES in the game, you automatically know you are doomed to not getting proper sleep for the next few MONTHS of your life :D

The first casualty of wargames are wifes :eek:

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- 5/28/2003 3:40:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]ever tho maker says min 8 mb video card, 8mb onboard doesnt seem to cut it.[/QUOTE]

Of course, since they stated 8mb video card and not 8mb video card or onboard chip. There´s a slight difference between that ;)

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- 5/28/2003 8:55:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Junk just found out one of the assorted reasons why Matrix doesn't do demos.

More harm than good, or the demo is a poor demonstartion of the eventual finished product.

He might have enjoyed the game as a finished product, or possibly he might have had a better chance to decide if he was even going to be able to run it at all by examining a finshed product.

Every time I encounter a demo that does anything positive, I am usually more impressed the demo even worked more so than the demo made me like or dislike the game.

Yesterday a friend showed me Medal of Honour Allied Assault on the my system. He was able to do what a demo would likely have failed at. He showed me the game was good, but my system ain't up to it. A demo would have run as lousy, but I would not have known if it was the game or my system.

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- 5/28/2003 9:12:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
[B]Yesterday a friend showed me Medal of Honour Allied Assault on the my system. He was able to do what a demo would likely have failed at. He showed me the game was good, but my system ain't up to it. A demo would have run as lousy, but I would not have known if it was the game or my system. [/B][/QUOTE]

Les,

Demos sure can be a problem and as you said it's probably best to avoid doing them for smaller companies.

Blitxkrieg, demo did not impress me at all but the game did....pure luck I decided to buy it anyway

Medal of Honor, just loved the demo and could not stop playing it so I decided I wanted more and bought the game. Fan ever since...

CMBO: Demo looked interesting and I bought the game

other than that, as far as I can remember, demos usally don't make me buy anything.

I think it's really hard to make a good demo for a wargame since they are limited and does not show the full joy of a full battle or campaign mode that is usually there in the full version. Also wargames are more complex and if a future customer can't get into a demo within 15 minutes they might just think it's not for them

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- 5/29/2003 8:43:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		so how do you go about picking a video card? because of CL and blitz i started shoping around for a cheap card. u know maybe 32mb-64mb. i have a 4x agp slot. blitz says t&l enabled, cl says dx9. cards that list dx9 etc are over $100. some dont say anything about t&l.

and i still have to buy a hard drive because blitz takes 2.4gb

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- 5/29/2003 9:06:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any card since the geforce 2 (old card) will have T&L

Ati doesnt have T&L....but trust me...the game will work with an Ati card

If it were me...Id go with a Geforce 3 64 mb or Radeon 7500

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- 5/29/2003 9:10:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Video card = scary issue.

You need to look at what generation your machine is and match the card to it. Putting an overblown card in an older machine is just a total waste of money.

List what you've got in the way of motherboard and cpu currently and we'll try and aim you at the right card that matches your system AND costs the less. Include the fact of any toy options you want like multi-monitor or TV-out or TV-in etc...

Current ruler is ATI ****IF**** your machine is up to the task. nVidia on the other hand work out of the box with everything. No headaches, but less performance.

Your lowest end card worth actually buying would probably be an OEM version of a GeForce 3 (not the newer GeForce 3 Ti's).

[B]STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT HAS MX IN THE NAME!!![/B]

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