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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/18/2018 8:41:42 PM   
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Rio: The beauty of barges is they are created like PT boats. Just look at the base screen and if you have enough supply on hand, it'll have a button called something like "Create Barge TF." Aircraft usually don't even touch them, but they are vulnerable to surface and subsurface engagement.

Cheers,
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Command Cody-

Yes, I looked on the base screens at Amoy and Pescadores and made some barges.

I will transfer the marines by barge now.

Thank you, Commander Cody.

Best Regards,

-Terry




The Allies call them Landing Craft. Its the Japs that call them barges.

At the bottom of the ship reinforcement screen there is a display count of available PT boats, Landing Craft and Motor Gun Boats.

The Allied landing craft are a highly varied lot from LCTs to LCMs to LCVPs with varying capacities. You get no control over what type you get.



Hans—

If I disband MTBs in Bombay, do they go into the PT-Boat pool? Can I create PT-Boats from the returned MTBs at, say, Sydney or Guam or—?

This is a pretty dynamic inquiry at this point... we will soon need all PT/MTB/MGBs along the "Noose" line (Marcus to Amoy) and I don't relish running MTBs/MGBs across the Indian Ocean.

Thank you,

Hag

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/18/2018 9:20:51 PM   
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MTBs are in the PT boat category and would come from the same pool but I believe control of the port determines if you get PTs or MTBs.

I believe MTBs will only appear at British/Commonwealth controlled ports while PTs will only appear at American controlled ports.

Problem is there is no way to get a look at the distribution in the pool to see how many of each are there.

Its the same with the landing craft pool with no way to tell quantity breakdowns of LCTs, LCMs and LCVPs.

One way to tell if you only have PTs (there are far greater quantity of them) and not MTBs is to look at a Commonwealth port and see if the button is active or greyed out.


Some British Motor Launches, which are not pool craft, can be converted to MGBs, which are pool craft, allowing you to transfer them great distances.

However, MGBs have a very limited uses.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/18/2018 10:01:54 PM   
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To add to what Hans said, the US can also create PTs at large enough Australian ports.
Early in the game I believe the limit is something like 64 PT boats on the board, but I don't know how much this increases as the game goes on.
I think MTBs are a much smaller number and that may not increase like the PTs.
Part of the difficulty estimating what you can get is the lag time between sending boats to the pool and having them available for creation from supply. You have to manually keep tabs on these "in transit to the pool" boats.

BTW, you can create PTs from a Transport or Cargo TF with enough supply, but the supply has to be loaded in the US or PH. This simulates boats lashed to the decks of the xAKs and assumes you were prescient enough to know when and where you would need them!

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/19/2018 3:26:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

MTBs are in the PT boat category and would come from the same pool but I believe control of the port determines if you get PTs or MTBs.

I believe MTBs will only appear at British/Commonwealth controlled ports while PTs will only appear at American controlled ports.

Problem is there is no way to get a look at the distribution in the pool to see how many of each are there.

Its the same with the landing craft pool with no way to tell quantity breakdowns of LCTs, LCMs and LCVPs.

One way to tell if you only have PTs (there are far greater quantity of them) and not MTBs is to look at a Commonwealth port and see if the button is active or greyed out.


Some British Motor Launches, which are not pool craft, can be converted to MGBs, which are pool craft, allowing you to transfer them great distances.

However, MGBs have a very limited uses.


Thank you, Hans,

I guess I'll convert MLs to MGBs in Colombo and then return them to the pool... actually, they have the same 40 mm Bofors that the PTs of China have been tearing up Jap ships with... good in less than 10% moonlight, great in 0% moonlight coupled with crummy weather...

As for the fate of the growing number of MTBs (24 appear from 10/1/43 to 1/1/44)—return to pool or trudge them to Perth, two by two dribs and drabs, with dedicated xAK TFs?

If I choose to have faith "in the system", I should return them as I receive them... meaning they can reappear in time at Sydney, or even Rabaul—and not end up restricted to Bombay or Calcutta after a month of waiting...

*Commence my somber ponder*

Thanks again, good sir,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/19/2018 3:44:39 PM   
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To add to what Hans said, the US can also create PTs at large enough Australian ports.
Early in the game I believe the limit is something like 64 PT boats on the board, but I don't know how much this increases as the game goes on.
I think MTBs are a much smaller number and that may not increase like the PTs.
Part of the difficulty estimating what you can get is the lag time between sending boats to the pool and having them available for creation from supply. You have to manually keep tabs on these "in transit to the pool" boats.

BTW, you can create PTs from a Transport or Cargo TF with enough supply, but the supply has to be loaded in the US or PH. This simulates boats lashed to the decks of the xAKs and assumes you were prescient enough to know when and where you would need them!


Hey BB!

As always, thank you for your response!

Re transport or cargo TF simulation, thank you for that information. I wish I could just load those puppies in Colombo as a specific cargo.

When I grudgingly ponder the absurd time and effort to breast-feed MTBs across the bloody Indian Ocean and then around Oz—waiting for the pool lag-time to trigger takes probably less time, given the assumption that the MTBs actually do come available in Sydney in a month... or even two...

So my dark secret is that I don't know what I'm doing in this game... actually no secret at all... but I neglected to send ships to China to supply PT-Boats with torpedoes. Most of my boys are empty, and left to duke it out with deck guns.

Well, they get to hide for awhile now... dodge a few Bettys now and then... wait for the fading moonlight so they can hit again...

Thanks again, BB!

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/19/2018 3:45:25 PM   
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There are several flavours of MGB. I always pick the one that has depth charges so they can patrol newly taken ports to keep out IJN subs and mini-subs.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/19/2018 3:49:21 PM   
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There are several flavours of MGB. I always pick the one that has depth charges so they can patrol newly taken ports to keep out IJN subs and mini-subs.


BB!

That'll come in handy along the "Noose Line", 15-20 bases stretching from Marcus to Amoy...

Sounds like when I return them to pool, I must hope those DC-loaded MGBs come back as turned in...

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/19/2018 3:53:03 PM   
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Yes, the model does not change, but if you have a mix of models in the pool I am not sure if you can select which you want.
I usually just set the MTBs to follow a TF of big ships at 0 hex range so they refuel enroute. This slows up the big ship TF every three turns or so but my supply pipeline is ahead of demand so a couple days longer transit time makes no difference.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/19/2018 4:05:34 PM   
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Yes, the model does not change, but if you have a mix of models in the pool I am not sure if you can select which you want.
I usually just set the MTBs to follow a TF of big ships at 0 hex range so they refuel enroute. This slows up the big ship TF every three turns or so but my supply pipeline is ahead of demand so a couple days longer transit time makes no difference.


Ah-ha... by gum that's what I'll do... with a wide jag around whatever Jap island that is off Sumatra, steaming out of Diego Garcia to Perth, I figure a generous 3500 per ship... with a set of xAKs at Perth waiting to ferry them onward to Melbourne...

Thanks, BB!

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/19/2018 6:16:38 PM   
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After Action Report

for November 1, 1943



Highlight for Today


1.) It is reported that Bella Arbel painted her toenails a glossy green to match her camos.


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) ASW attack near Iriomote (hex 88,65).

No Japanese losses.

SS Billfish: 1 hit.

2.) Night Naval Bombardment at Pagan.

26 Japanese casualties.

2 hits (Airbase).
1 hit (Airbase Supply).
8 hits (Runway).
5 hits (Port).
1 hit (Port Supply).


No Allied losses.

3.) Submarine attack near Hengchun (hex 84,68).

xAK Nissyu Maru: 1 torpedo hit.

No Allied losses.

4.) Japanese air attack near Amoy (hex 83,61).

No Japanese losses.

AM Bobolink: 2 torpedo hits; sunk.

5.) Japanese bomb Chungking.

No Japanese losses.

23 hits (Manpower).
10,964 (Fires).


6.) Japanese bomb Kagi.

4 damaged (Ki-49-IIb Helen).

2 damaged (F6F-3 Hellcat).
1 damaged (SB2C-1C Helldiver).


7.) Japanese bomb Takao.

2 damaged (Ki-49-IIb Helen).

No Allied losses.

8.) Allies bombard due west of Paoshan (hex 64,45).

41 Japanese casualties.

11 guns lost: 3 destroyed and 8 damaged.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for November 1, 1943.

Best Regards,

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/19/2018 7:12:44 PM   
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By the Numbers

Month End Report

November 1, 1943



Though El Lobo and I have agreed to battle without any consideration given to Victory Points, other numbers do give a fairly accurate reflection of the losses on both sides. Accordingly, displayed below are the numbers for our war to date.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/19/2018 8:31:13 PM   
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Strategic Map

Month End Report

November 1, 1943



Opening Note


1.) During the month of October, 1943, the vast majority of the combat action has taken place in Burma, China, the vicinity of Formosa, and the Marianas Islands.

2.) The following provides a little more detail regarding the present status of the war in those regions.


Burma


1.) The Allies hold and firmly control every base in Burma.

2.) The Allies own and control the sky above Burma.

3.) Naval transports ferry supply from Calcutta to Rangoon. Aircraft transports ferry supply from Jessore to Mandalay. The Allies are fully supplied in Burma.

4.) Although El Lobo has moved a sizable force of Japanese troops into Moulmein, the Allies will hold Moulmein.

5.) The Allies are presently moving in an attempt to trap Japanese troops in Moulmein. It is highly doubtful that El Lobo will permit his troops to be trapped at Moulmein.


China


1.) In the north, El Lobo has trapped the Chinese at Chungking. The Chinese have approximately 6,500 AV at Chungking hunkering down behind a Level 4 fort with only enough supply to throw rocks at the Japanese. El Lobo has approximately 6,000 AV at Chungking. Due to the severe lack of supply at Chungking, it is touch and go whether the Chinese will be able to hold Chungking until a supply path can be opened to Chungking.

2.) In the west, El Lobo has a substantial force blocking the Allies just west of Paoshan. The Allies are moving to surround the Japanese due west of Paoshan and at Paoshan. Again, it is highly doubtful that El Lobo will permit these troops to be surrounded. Accordingly, as the Allies get closer to surrounding the Japanese at Paoshan, El Lobo will no doubt retreat toward Tsuyung and Kunming. The Allies will be right on the heels of the fleeing Japanese.

3.) Operation Culpepper Cattle Company (the U.S. Marine Invasion at Amoy) has made steady progress marching on Chungking. The Marines have opened a route of supply from Amoy to Chihkiang and beyond. The Chinese south of Chungking are fully supplied which has permitted the Chinese to capture Chihkiang, Changteh, Shaoyang, and Singtan. The Japanese have blocked the Chinese just southeast of Kweiyang.

4.) The U.S. Marines have captured Swatow, Chaochow, Amoy, Tsinkiang, Foochow, Kanhsien, Kukong, Pingsing, and Hengyang.

5.) Presently, the Chinese 21st Group Army and the 2nd Marine Division are marching on Changsha.

6.) Presently, the 1st Marine Division and the 22nd Marine Regiment (Chesty Puller's band of Marines) are marching on Kweilin and Liuchow.

7.) The 4th Marine Division will leave Amoy soon to reinforce Formosa. Should the need arise, the 3rd Marine Division will also leave Amoy to reinforce Formosa.

8.) The Allies own the sky above Paoshan. However, everywhere else, the Japanese own the sky over China.

9.) The Marine captured bases are building nicely. Amoy has a level 6 airbase. Kanhsien, Kukong, and Hengyang are level 3 airbases and close to becoming level 4 airbases.


Pescadores


1.) The Allies hold Pescadores with a Cavalry Division.

2.) The Allies are fully supplied on Pescadores.


Formosa


1.) The Allies own Taichu, Kagi, and Takao.

2.) The Japanese own Taihoku, Karenko, and Hengchun.

3.) The Allies are fully supplied.

4.) The Allies have approximately 1,600 AV on Formosa.

5.) The Allies estimate that the Japanese have an equivalent of 6 to 8 Infantry Divisions on Formosa.

6.) The Japanese own the sky above Formosa.

7.) As previously mentioned herein, the 4th Marine Division and perhaps the 3rd Marine Division will move from China to reinforce Formosa.

8.) The Allies plan to return to Formosa with Carrier Escort to substantially reinforce Formosa from the Marianas Islands mid-December, 1943.

9.) The Allies believe they will, at a minimum, hold Takao until Formosa can be reinforced from the east.


Marianas Islands


1.) The Allies own and firmly control the six southern Marianas Islands.

2.) The Japanese own Pagan and Agrihan.

3.) The Allies are fully supplied at the Marianas Islands.

4.) The Allies own the sky above the Marianas Islands.


The Near Future


Within the next forty-five days, the 5th Australian Division along with the 4th Armoured Brigade, numerous support engineers of every sort, and numerous aircraft, will invade Talaud-elanden as part of Operation Hangman's Noose; the Naval Blockade of Japane Proper.


End Note

The Strategic Map is displayed below.


Best Regards,

-Terry









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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/19/2018 8:41:52 PM   
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November 1, 1943



How is El Lobo moving resources from Malaya, the Philippines, and the DEI to Japan Proper?

The Allies have excellent eyes on the East China Sea and the Philippine Sea. We are not detecting Japanese merchant vessels moving from the south to the north.

Stumped,

-Terry

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/20/2018 11:40:11 PM   
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Question

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November 1, 1943



How is El Lobo moving resources from Malaya, the Philippines, and the DEI to Japan Proper?

The Allies have excellent eyes on the East China Sea and the Philippine Sea. We are not detecting Japanese merchant vessels moving from the south to the north.

Stumped,

-Terry


Good summary above, Rio.

In regards to being stumped: Yeah, I don't get how the Japs are moving material to the home islands in any significant numbers, either.

Logic tells me that if all the roads and rail lines are blocked in China from the coast up to and including the transit points of Changsha, and every oceanic gap from Amoy to Moluccas is patrolled closely, as well as having 100 SS crisscrossing the East China and Philippine Seas at any given time, how come we're not running into a few large tanker and transport TFs?

Is there something about the Japanese players moving supply from DEI that eludes us entirely? Or is it possible he's diligently been supplying Japan with raw materials and is flush with it and doesn't need to do anything for now?

I would think supplying the Imperial war machine would be a pretty dynamic affair, and it would need constant nourishment to keep it going...

Thanks for any help, gentlemen!

Hag

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/21/2018 7:05:50 AM   
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Japan has plenty of resources on Hokkaido and Sakhalin. It is a short route to ship stuff from there to Honshu. The only reason to load up Philippines or Malay resources is that supply ships going there can easily load up for a return trip, but the cost in time may be too much to do that. The far-flung IJ empire is always hungry for supplies.

Fuel or oil is the only resource Japan needs to draw from the Southern Resource Area.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/21/2018 6:48:12 PM   
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Japan has plenty of resources on Hokkaido and Sakhalin. It is a short route to ship stuff from there to Honshu. The only reason to load up Philippines or Malay resources is that supply ships going there can easily load up for a return trip, but the cost in time may be too much to do that. The far-flung IJ empire is always hungry for supplies.

Fuel or oil is the only resource Japan needs to draw from the Southern Resource Area.



BBfanboy-


Alright, so how is El Lobo getting fuel and/or oil to Japan?

Best Regards,

-Terry


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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/21/2018 7:36:42 PM   
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After Action Report

for November 2, 1943



Highlights for Today


1.) El Lobo bombs Takao, Formosa.

2.) The Allies bomb Moulmein (Burma), due west of Paoshan (China), Tohaiko (Formosa), and Pagan (Marianas Islands).

3.) The Allies bombard due west of Paoshan (China).

4.) The bulk of the combat action today centered around Formosa. Seven (7) more Japanese ships were damaged (some heavily) whereas El Lobo's Franks trashed Allied fighters.

5.) Japanese bombing runs against Chungking have slowed down considerably over the past three weeks. More and more, El Lobo is using his Helens and Sallies in China to bomb the Chinese near Kweiyang and to bomb Allied ground forces on Formosa.

6.) Lieutenant Bloomquist-Rose, if you have finished partying in Changsha, would you be so kind to proceed to Kweilin to await Chesty Puller and the 22nd Marine Regiment for an assault on Liuchow?


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) Allies bomb Moulmein.

No Japanese losses.

4 damaged (B-25C Mitchell).
1 destroyed and 1 damaged (B-25D1 Mitchell).
3 destroyed and 4 damaged (B-26 Marauder).


2.) Allies bomb due west of Paoshan (hex 64,45).

19 Japanese casualties.

8 damaged (B-24D1 Liberator).

3.) Naval and Air Combat within the vicinity of Formosa.

DD Samidare: 2 bomb hits; fires.
xAKL Oridano Maru: 2 bomb hits; heavy fires.
xAK Kokri Maru: 1 bomb hit.
xAK Eihoku Maru: 7 bomb hits; heavy fires; heavy damage.
xAK Ikoma MAru: 4 bomb hits; heavy fires; heavy damage.
xAK Yobari Maru: 3 bomb hits; heavy fires; heavy damage.
xAK La Plata Maru: 2 bomb hits; heavy fires; heavy damage.

45 Japanese casualties.

2 hits (Airbase).
4 hits (Runway).

1 destroyed (Ki-84a Frank).
2 destroyed and 1 damaged (N1Ki-J George).
1 destroyed and 4 damaged (Ki-100 I Tony).
12 destroyed and 23 damaged (Ki-49-IIb Helen).


SS Ray: 6 hits.

1 hit (Runway).

22 destroyed F6F-3 Hellcat).
4 destroyed and 4 damaged (FM-1 Wildcat).
4 destroyed and 2 damaged (SB2C-1C Helldiver).
2 destroyed (TBF-1 Avenger).
1 destroyed and 1 damaged (B-24D1 Liberator).
2 damaged (B-24J Liberator).


4.) Naval and Air Combat within the vicinity of Pagan (Marinas Islands).

SS I-165: 4 hits.

14 Japanese casualties.

11 hits (Runway)
1 hit (Port).

1 destroyed (B5N2 Kate).
9 damaged (N1K1-J George).


No Allied losses.

5.) Allies bombard due west of Paoshan (hex 64,45).

82 Japanese casualties.

10 Allied casualties.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for November 2, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry



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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/22/2018 1:23:51 AM   
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Japan has plenty of resources on Hokkaido and Sakhalin. It is a short route to ship stuff from there to Honshu. The only reason to load up Philippines or Malay resources is that supply ships going there can easily load up for a return trip, but the cost in time may be too much to do that. The far-flung IJ empire is always hungry for supplies.

Fuel or oil is the only resource Japan needs to draw from the Southern Resource Area.



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Alright, so how is El Lobo getting fuel and/or oil to Japan?

Best Regards,

-Terry


If you are sure the Philippines Sea and the gaps between Wake and the Marianas and Formosa and Luzon are being searched properly, then he probably isn't moving fuel or oil to Japan from the DEI at the moment. He pretty much has to recapture or suppress Formosa to reopen the spigot.

Cheers,
CC

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/22/2018 1:36:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Japan has plenty of resources on Hokkaido and Sakhalin. It is a short route to ship stuff from there to Honshu. The only reason to load up Philippines or Malay resources is that supply ships going there can easily load up for a return trip, but the cost in time may be too much to do that. The far-flung IJ empire is always hungry for supplies.

Fuel or oil is the only resource Japan needs to draw from the Southern Resource Area.



BBfanboy-


Alright, so how is El Lobo getting fuel and/or oil to Japan?

Best Regards,

-Terry


If you are sure the Philippines Sea and the gaps between Wake and the Marianas and Formosa and Luzon are being searched properly, then he probably isn't moving fuel or oil to Japan from the DEI at the moment. He pretty much has to recapture or suppress Formosa to reopen the spigot.

Cheers,
CC


CC—

Thank you for the reply!

It's POSSIBLE he's snuck the odd TF or two across the Philippine Sea thus far, but most assuredly he won't be able to make a living at it. We encountered tanker TFs upon the Formosa-China invasion, but since then, no.

Biding our time then, awaiting his desperate hour to run the gauntlet...

Adieu,

Hag

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/22/2018 2:32:51 AM   
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His KB is pretty much intact, no? He may use it to escort some cargo/tanker TFs across the Philippine Sea in the future.

Cheers,
CC

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/22/2018 6:24:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

His KB is pretty much intact, no? He may use it to escort some cargo/tanker TFs across the Philippine Sea in the future.

Cheers,
CC


CC—

I am reasonably certain the strictest of the Queen's doctors—those who certified Lady Diana's "intactness"—would deem the current condition of KB as such.

"Pristine" might be a better word, as the holes I put in Junyo, Kaga and Ryuho have long been sealed, primered and painted in three coats.

I do think he'll make a run sooner rather than later, as you suggest.

I don't think he'll risk the Moluccas Gap—too close to the Marianas; possibly the same for the same for the Talaud-einlanden - Mindanao passages.

Legaspi Gap might be in the cards, but it's confined nature makes it a rather easy pinch to SS patrol. I'm betting the space between Aparri and Batan Is.—far enough away to avoid most attack aircraft on Formosa, but steering well clear of our powerful naval presence at Guam et al.

Interestingly, for this endeavor, his protection (KB) and his vulnerable TFs will come from opposite directions; he'll want to cross the Philippine Sea with KB first, and this may give me a clue as to which Gap he favors. If I can rush many SS through his presumed Gap, perhaps I can catch the vulnerable TFs en route to his rendezvous point?

See, I wonder if—under current conditions—he'd try to squeeze KB through a passage first. He has shown no inclination to risk his KB like that... but, then again, desperation may force him.

Ah, a sub man can dream, can't he?

Always good to hear from you,

Hag

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/24/2018 4:19:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

His KB is pretty much intact, no? He may use it to escort some cargo/tanker TFs across the Philippine Sea in the future.

Cheers,
CC


Commander Cody-

Let's hope the Allied Carriers repair and refit before El Lobo makes an escort run his with Carriers.

Best Regards,

-Terry


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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/24/2018 4:51:57 AM   
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After Action Report

for November 3, 1943



Highlights for Today


1.) The Haggard Group trashes three Japanese xAKs.

2.) A Marine Anti-Tank Battalion and a Marine Tank Battalion clamor into Kweilin, China and await the arrival of the 1st Marine Division before assaulting the Japanese held city.

3.) El Lobo heavily damages an Allied Submarine, dents another Allied Submarine, and sinks 2 Allied PT Boats.


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) Night Time Surface Combat near Hengchun, China (hex 84,67).

12 Japanese casualties.

xAK Tatuharu Maru: 17 shell hits.
xAK Rokko Maru: 12 shell hits; heavy fires.


PT-328: 1 shell hit.
PT-349: 1 shell hit.
PT 550: 2 shell hits; sunk.
PT-551: 6 shell hits; sunk.


2.) Allied Submarine attack near Miyako-jima (hex 92,64).

No Japanese losses.

SS Pogey: 4 hits; heavy damage.

3.) Japanese ASW attack near Hengchun, China (hex 85,68).

No Japanese losses.

SS Cero: 1 hit.

4.) Allied Submarine Attack near Iriomote (hex 88,65).

xAK La Plata Maru: heavy fires; heavy damage.

No Allied losses.

5.) Allied naval bombardment at Pagan, Marianas Islands.

14 Japanese casualties.

1 damaged (N1K1-J George).

2 hits (Airbase).
4 hits (Runway).
3 hits (Port).


No Allied losses.

6. Japanese bomb near Takao, Formosa (hex 84,66).

1 damaged (Ki-45 KAIa Nick).

No Allied losses.

7.) Japanese bomb Chungking.

No Japanese losses.

20 hits (Manpower).
12,878 (Fires).


8.) Allies bombard due west of Paoshan, China.

201 Japanese casualties.

22 Allied casualties.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for November 3, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry






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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/25/2018 6:45:14 PM   
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After Action Report

for November 4, 1943



Highlight for Today


1.) A slow day.


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) Japanese ASW Attack near Iriomote (hex 88,65).

CL Nako: 1 torpedo hit.

No Allied losses.

2.) Allied Naval Bombardment at Pagan.

10 Japanese casualties.

5 hits (Airbase).
2 hits (Runway).
3 hits (Port).


No Allied losses.

3.) Allied Submarine Attack near Miyako-jima.

PB Hokuyu Maru: 1 torpedo hit; on fire; heavy damage.

No Allied losses.

4.) Japanese Bomb near Takao.

1 damaged (G4M1 Betty).

No Allied losses.

5.) Japanese Bomb Chungking.

No Japanese losses.

46 hits (Manpower).
31,212 (Fires).


6.) Japanese Bomb Takao.

1 destroyed and 10 damaged (Ki-49-IIb Helen).

1 destroyed and 2 damaged (B-24D1 Liberator).

7.) Allied Artillery Bombard due west of Paoshan.

113 Japanese casualties.

5 Allied casualties.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for November 4, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry




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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/26/2018 6:41:26 AM   
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After Action Report

for November 5, 1943



Highlights for Today


1.) Captain Haggard's PT Boats nail Japanese PBs near Hengchun (hex 84,67).

2.) Allied Liberators bomb Chungking!

3.) El Lobo puts the hurt on Captain Haggard's SS Billfish near Iriomote (hex 89,64).


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) Night Time Surface Combat near Hengchun (hex 84,67).

PB Tatsumi Maru: 55 shell hits; sunk.
PB Saki Maru #3: 15 shell hits; heavy fires; heavy damage.
PB Uruboko Maru: 42 shell hits; heavy fires; heavy damage.


No Allied losses.

2.) Allied Naval Bombardment at Pagan.

39 Japanese casualties.

1 hit (Airbase).
2 hits (Airbase Supply).
16 hits (Runway).
1 hit (Port).


No Allied losses.

3.) Allied Liberators Bomb Japanese Troops at Chungking.

78 Japanese casualties.

No Allied losses.

4.) Japanese Bomb Chungking.

No Japanese losses.

31 hits (Manpower).
21,821 (Fires).


5.) Japanese E Boat Hits Allied Submarine near Iriomote (hex 89,64).

No Japanese losses.

SS Billfish: 6 hits.

6.) Allied Artillery Bombards due west of Paoshan (hex 64,45).

83 Japanese casualties.

6 Guns Lost: 1 destroyed and 5 damaged.
5 Vehicles Lost: 4 destroyed and 1 damaged.



Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for November 5, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry


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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/27/2018 9:08:14 AM   
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After Action Report

for November 6, 1943



Highlights for Today


1.) Captain Haggard's submarine puts a torpedo into a Japanese CA near Ishigaki.

2.) One Regiment of the 4th Marine Division has unloaded at Takao to reinforce Formosa.


Synopsis of Combat Events for Today


1.) Allied Submarine Torpedoes Japanese CA near Ishigaki (hex 88,67).

CA Maya: 1 torpedo hit.

No Allied losses.

2.) Allied Naval Bombardment at Pagan.

9 Japanese casualties.

1 hit (Airbase).
7 hits (Runway).
2 hits (Port).


No Allied losses.

3.) Allies Bombard Moulmein.

63 Japanese casualties.

1 destroyed Ki-44-IIc Tojo).
1 destroyed (Ki-45 KAIa Nick).
1 destroyed (A6M5 Zero).


2 damaged (B-17F Fortress).
2 destroyed and 6 dmaged (B-25C Mitchell).
2 destroyed and 6 damaged (B-25D1 Mitchell).


4.) Japanese Nells trashed near Agrihan (hex 110,87).

4 destroyed and 1 damaged (G3M3 Nell).

No Allied losses.

5.) Allied Artillery Bombard due west of Paoshan (hex 64,45).

76 Japanese casualties.

16 Allied casualties.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for November 6, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry


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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/27/2018 5:23:42 PM   
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After Action Report

for November 7, 1943



Highlights for Today


1.) Allies capture Changsha.

2.) Thousands of Chinese march in the streets of Chungking holding up signs that read, "Bella Arbel for Mayor!"

3.) Captain Haggard's surface combat bombardment fleet continues to keep Pagan's airfield and port inoperable.


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) Japanese APD dents an Allied Submarine near Miyako-jima (hex 91,66).

No Japanese losses.

SS Pargo: 1 hit.

2.) Allied Naval Bombardment at Pagan.

55 Japanese casualties.

3 damaged (N1K1-J George).

5 hits (Airbase).
13 hits (Runway).
4 hits (Port).


No Allied losses.

3.) Allies Bomb Moulmein.

179 Japanese casualties.

2 destroyed (A-36 Mustang).
1 damaged (B-17F Fortress).
4 damaged (B-25D1 Mitchell).
3 destroyed and 5 damaged (B-25C Mitchell).


4.) Allies Bomb Chungking.

30 Japanese casualties.

3 damaged (B-24D1 Liberator).

5.) Japanese Bomb Chungking.

No Japanese losses.

6 hits (Manpower).
5,305 (Fires).


6.) Allied Artillery Bombard due west of Paoshan (hex 64,45).

73 Japanese casualties.

5 Allied casualties.

7.) Allies Deliberately Attack Changsha.

1,654 Japanese casualties.
1 unit retreats.
Allies capture Changsha.


548 Allied casualties.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for November 7, 1943.

-Best Regards,

-Terry




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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/27/2018 6:28:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

2.) Thousands of Chinese march in the streets of Chungking holding up signs that read, "Bella Arbel for Mayor!"


Unfortunately, because most Chinese cannot read the inscrutable western alphabet, they elected Bella Abzug instead!






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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/28/2018 3:27:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

2.) Thousands of Chinese march in the streets of Chungking holding up signs that read, "Bella Arbel for Mayor!"


Unfortunately, because most Chinese cannot read the inscrutable western alphabet, they elected Bella Abzug instead!








BBfanboy-

*laughing hard*

Well, Lieutenant Bloomquist-Rose will be happy not losing his driver.

Best Regards,

-Terry


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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J) - 1/28/2018 3:48:15 AM   
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After Action Report

for November 8, 1943



Highlight for Today


1.) Captain Haggard's AM Pummels a Japanese Submarine near Ramree Island.


Synopsis of Combat Action for Today


1.) Allied AM Hammers Japanese Submarine near Ramree Island (hex 52,47).

SS I-171: 6 hits; heavy damage.

No Allied losses.

2.) Allied Naval Bombardment at Pagan.

118 Japanese casualties.

5 damaged (N1K1-J George).

7 hits (Airbase)>
11 hits (Runway).
2 hits (Port).
1 hit (Port Supply).


No Allied losses.

3.) Japanese E Boat Hits Allied Submarine near Calayan (hex 82,71).

No Japanese losses.

SS Barb: 2 hits.

4.) Japanese Bomb Chungking.

No Japanese losses.

21 Chinese casualties.

5 hits (Airbase).
2 hits (Airbase Supply).
37 hits (Runway).


5.) Allies Bomb Chungking.

24 Japanese casualties.

1 damaged (B-24D1 Liberator).
4 damaged (B-24J Liberator).


6.) Japanese Bomb Hengyang.

1 destroyed (Ki-49-IIb Helen).

4 Allied casualties.

1 damaged (B-24J Liberator).

2 hits (Airbase Supply).
1 hit (Runway).


7.) Allied Artillery Bombards due west of Paoshan (hex 64,45).

184 Japanese casualties.

11 Guns Lost: 1 destroyed and 10 disabled.


Attached below as a link is the entire Combat Report for November 8, 1943.

Best Regards,

-Terry


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