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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/1/2018 8:47:01 PM   
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4th June 1941

The question now is. Do the British go forward or retreat?

I wish I knew what the Germans have left. What I do know is that I destroyed a lot of panzers over the last few turns; I suspect it was 4/5 panzer battalions, but I don't know how many regiments or battalions per regiment the 15th and 21st has at this stage of the war.



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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/1/2018 8:55:57 PM   
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1. It still bugs me that you're playing with Possession Invisible. Any source of intel should not be wasted like that.

2. And it would be much easier to see what's going on if your screenshots would display combat strengths instead of movement remaining.

3. No. It is recommended to play with "No Borders" turned on, however. They are doing so.
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1. How does playing with Possession Visible and FOW work? Does one not cancel the effects of the other or is there something more subtle in play. BTW in a PBEM how does one know if one's opponent has cheated on this?

2. Okay I will try and remember to post pictures as you prefer


FOW affects enemy unit visibility. No Borders affects border visibility. If ON then borders will only show when adjacent to friendlies. But that is still useful info. The attached shot shows some borders showing in the red box (it also shows units with strengths displayed):




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/1/2018 8:57:44 PM   
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3. Can you confirm where in the Scenario Briefing or the Documentation that that recommendation can be found please?


Here's the "Preferences" screen. It turns out I left "No Borders" as "Don't Care" - so it doesn't show:




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 4:32:47 AM   
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3. Can you confirm where in the Scenario Briefing or the Documentation that that recommendation can be found please?


Here's the "Preferences" screen. It turns out I left "No Borders" as "Don't Care" - so it doesn't show:



warspite1

Okay, so are you saying "Don't Care" was a mistake and should have been set as a preference to On? Or is the comment in post 295 incorrect?

More importantly, because its been set to "Don't Care" and not included in the Designer Game Option Preferences, does this mean it can be overridden by a player in PBEM without an alert being sent? OR does the alert apply to any game option that a player tries to change?

I can't actually see how a player can change the options - when I click on Game Options these appear 'set'.







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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 4:43:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you saying that if I had Possession Borders showing I would have seen the border colours below? The Italian movement remains unseen as per FOW, but because the Italian moved adjacent to a hex my unit occupied, the Borders (not the unit) would show when it came to my turn?




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 1:57:39 PM   
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Okay, so are you saying "Don't Care" was a mistake and should have been set as a preference to On? Or is the comment in post 295 incorrect?


The latter. I forgot that I left it as Don't Care. Leaving it that way was intentional, since Axis operation south of the Qattara Depression may still be unrealistically doable despite the new TOAW features. So, I left it up to the players to make that decision.

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More importantly, because its been set to "Don't Care" and not included in the Designer Game Option Preferences, does this mean it can be overridden by a player in PBEM without an alert being sent? OR does the alert apply to any game option that a player tries to change?

I can't actually see how a player can change the options - when I click on Game Options these appear 'set'.


At the start of the game you could have set it however you wanted with no alert to your opponent. You can't change it now.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 1:58:52 PM   
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Are you saying that if I had Possession Borders showing I would have seen the border colours below? The Italian movement remains unseen as per FOW, but because the Italian moved adjacent to a hex my unit occupied, the Borders (not the unit) would show when it came to my turn?




Turn it on and see for yourself.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 4:18:08 PM   
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Are you saying that if I had Possession Borders showing I would have seen the border colours below? The Italian movement remains unseen as per FOW, but because the Italian moved adjacent to a hex my unit occupied, the Borders (not the unit) would show when it came to my turn?




Turn it on and see for yourself.
warspite1

Er okay, I'll set up a dummy game and create this scenario.


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 4:23:06 PM   
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Are you saying that if I had Possession Borders showing I would have seen the border colours below? The Italian movement remains unseen as per FOW, but because the Italian moved adjacent to a hex my unit occupied, the Borders (not the unit) would show when it came to my turn?




Turn it on and see for yourself.
warspite1

Er okay, I'll set up a dummy game and create this scenario.


Why not just turn it on for the game you are playing?

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 4:43:33 PM   
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Are you saying that if I had Possession Borders showing I would have seen the border colours below? The Italian movement remains unseen as per FOW, but because the Italian moved adjacent to a hex my unit occupied, the Borders (not the unit) would show when it came to my turn?




Turn it on and see for yourself.
warspite1

Er okay, I'll set up a dummy game and create this scenario.


Why not just turn it on for the game you are playing?
warspite1

Because I don't know where his units are or have been. Whatever lines I see will therefore - in themselves - mean absolutely nothing.


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 4:59:41 PM   
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As much as it grates, I think discretion is the better part of Valerie and I will retreat. It is possible that I've taken out the bulk of devoncops German armour, but the fact is my troops are in need of re-supply. That's a bonus! As I retreat so I come across three motorised infantry battalions. Prepare to meet your maker boys!




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 8:10:36 PM   
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4th June 1941

As much as it grates, I think discretion is the better part of Valerie and I will retreat. It is possible that I've taken out the bulk of devoncops German armour, but the fact is my troops are in need of re-supply. That's a bonus! As I retreat so I come across three motorised infantry battalions. Prepare to meet your maker boys!




Valerie! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWTa9CE51sA

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 8:12:57 PM   
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Strangely the Axis content themselves with just one attack - maybe they too need some R+R after that intense, and bloody, activity. Yet again my attempts at reconnaissance with my specialist forces results in them being surrounded....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/2/2018 8:31:06 PM   
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The Axis aircraft are proving devastating this turn, as they concentrate on Tobruk in particular but elsewhere too. I manage to land two artillery regiments back in Tobruk and these, plus the existing units already there, destroy two Italian units that decided to threaten the western strong point again.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/3/2018 6:40:59 AM   
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I am wondering whether the Australians and Poles holed up in Tobruk is a good thing. The losses are just horrendous. I suppose as per real life, the Axis supply situation is not as good as it would be if the port was in German hands, and all that artillery and air power being expended, would be available for Egypt.... but.....

That turn the Allies (Australian unless stated) lost:
10th Bn.
1st MG Bn.
1st Polish Art Batt.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/3/2018 6:46:35 AM   
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The Australians land an artillery and an AA regiment in Tobruk - although frankly its infantry that are the worry.....

R+R remains the order of the day and it is comforting to see the rest of the 1st Army Tank Brigade turn up.

This means its left to the Aussie artillery to try and avenge their comrades loss. One Italian infantry battalion only is destroyed.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/4/2018 4:41:04 AM   
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A really hard turn for the Commonwealth. The enemy has found his Ju-87 and the RN has been badly hit. As much as I am unhappy about it, for the sake of the game credibility I think it is a good thing (comment dependent on how easy Tobruk is to take).

So here is the situation:

HMS Barham

HMS Arethusa
HMS Ajax
HMS Dido

HMS Bedouin
HMS Ledbury
HMS Lance
HMS Jervis
HMS Mohawk
HMS Nubian

Damaged
HMS Queen Elizabeth - Damage 7%
HMS Valiant - 5%

HMS Euryalus - 85%
HMS Naiad - 12%

Sunk
HMS Marne
HMS Partridge
HMS Airedale

I return the fleet to Egypt to lick their wounds and give them plenty of fighter protection (I hope this is recognised by the computer!). No less than four fighter squadrons are on hand....

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/4/2018 5:31:26 AM   
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Tobruk has not long to go I think. I fail a force proficiency test too and so only get two rounds of bombardment in...

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/4/2018 2:20:48 PM   
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Turn 78 - Axis Turn
14th June 1941

A really hard turn for the Commonwealth. The enemy has found his Ju-87 and the RN has been badly hit. As much as I am unhappy about it, for the sake of the game credibility I think it is a good thing (comment dependent on how easy Tobruk is to take).

So here is the situation:

HMS Barham

HMS Arethusa
HMS Ajax
HMS Dido

HMS Bedouin
HMS Ledbury
HMS Lance
HMS Jervis
HMS Mohawk
HMS Nubian

Damaged
HMS Queen Elizabeth - Damage 7%
HMS Valiant - 5%

HMS Euryalus - 85%
HMS Naiad - 12%

Sunk
HMS Marne
HMS Partridge
HMS Airedale

I return the fleet to Egypt to lick their wounds and give them plenty of fighter protection (I hope this is recognised by the computer!). No less than four fighter squadrons are on hand....

I thought the Valiant was damaged on a previous turn. Regardless, you're looking at about 14 turns to repair the QE. That's actually a pretty cheap lesson. It could have been worse. The fleet is very valuable in the defense of El Alamein. You don't want to squander it on Tobruk.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 6:30:41 AM   
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Yes, Valiant was damaged previously. That is a summary of the RN situation.

Obviously early days in a long scenario - and I don't know how this game plays out - but not sure why the Tobruk defence would be considered squandering? Tobruk was vital to stopping Rommel's advance. Without the RN I can't see how Tobruk is defended from what I can see; and if so then that is disappointing.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 6:49:44 AM   
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Turn 79

Anyway, back to the game, and the Axis have attacked once again - putting my infantry force on the junction south of Zawyet Shammus out of supply.

As seems to happen with frightening regularity to the CW, just as the enemy attack, so key units decide to reorganise. This is a big problem as can be seen below...

I've no idea where the enemy is but, when putting borders on, it appears devoncop has moved to the position indicated. (assuming I've read this right).




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 7:12:30 AM   
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18th June 1941

The Western Desert Air Force are up to 14 Squadrons.

7 (7 Operational) x Hurricane sqns - 160/168 aircraft with 59 reserves (6 per turn). Proficiency of 7 sqns 55%*, 70%, 75%, 81%, 83%, 83% 97%

* Newly arrived Greek Squadron - will be placed near Alexandria

3 (3 Operational) x Blenheim sqns - 70/72 aircraft with 56 reserves (3 per turn). Proficiency 75%, 87% and 99%

2 (2 Operational) x Tomahawk sqn - 42/48 aircraft with 20 reserves (2 per turn). Proficiency 75% and 91%

1 (1 Operational) x Gladiator sqn - 18/24 aircraft no reserves (0 per turn). Proficiency 80%

1 (0 Operational) x Beaufighter sqn - 6/24 aircraft no reserves (1 per turn). Note: This unit continues to build 1 aircraft at a time and will not be thrown into battle until up to strength.

By placing on rest I've managed to build up the squadrons and with a decent level of reserves too. All squadrons except the Beaufighter will be brought into action this turn.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 7:33:19 AM   
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18th June 1941

That's interesting. I've also noticed the Axis are trying to sneak up behind the lines at Bir Khadir. What is particularly interesting here is that I assume the orange line confirms there is an Axis unit in that hex - and yet I cannot see it.

This is tough....




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 7:57:07 AM   
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18th June 1941

So I'm without the 2nd Armoured and the 22nd Guards Brigade, but what do I have?

The only ahem.. 'division' I have is the 7th Armoured. I have three battalions of the Royal Tank Regiment - 2nd, 3rd and 6th - and the 7th Hussars. The complement of tanks within makes for pretty grim reading...not the numbers but the quality...

To be honest I am scratching round for a workable plan here and I won't be able to think of one until I know what I'm up against. I can't know what I'm up against until I start to move my units, one by one and more enemy are exposed. And once I start to move my few precious units there is no going back....

Well, work calls so I am going to have to consider this later....


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 8:21:12 AM   
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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 5:30:58 PM   
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You always stack your units. So it is quite easy for your opponent to bypass or encircle them.
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I think as always there are two sides to every story. Not saying you are wrong or that my tactics are right, however the British are suffering from a number of handicaps;

- They simply have very few units. These are precious and can't be frittered away.
- The Axis completely have the initiative as the CW has no intelligence (and I'm not just referring to the bozo they have in charge)
- Put those two facts together and you get the situation where the Axis can pounce on individual units acting as a screen and wipe them out. Bigger stacks are - like with the attack at Buq Buq and Sofafi - designed to give the CW time, even when in danger of envelopment.


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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 5:39:50 PM   
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18th June 1941

The LRDG at Ben Khadir moves north on a reccy and comes across three Italian AA units and Mingar Qaim. These are destroyed and the special forces men continue west toward Bir el Gellaz where they come across three more. Sadly the British then run out of moves.

Annoyingly, as the unit moves away, so the reconnaissance information gained disappears. Clever - but just something else to make life tough...




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 5:47:36 PM   
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18th June 1941

The sneaky wotsit! I order the 4th Battalion, Green Howards to split into three companies. I am surprised to see no enemy within the orange hex-sides (I've misunderstood that!) but B Company does come across another AA unit!

devoncop is either using these as scouts or as a diversion from the main attack. Either way, that's jolly well not cricket.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 5:54:40 PM   
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18th June 1941

It seems devoncop is using his AA as human shields... I order an Indian company south and it too comes across Luftwaffe AA units. But this time, there are a number of Italian tanks and infantry units - albeit in company and squadron size.

East of Piccadilly Circus I try and get some idea of what is surrounding my infantry. I order the Royals to do some reconnaissance and I think its fair to say the British infantry is surrounded.

I don't know where the panzers are but have to assume they are lurking and ready to pounce once I show my hand - nice tactics from my opponent.




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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 2/5/2018 6:31:27 PM   
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18th June 1941

I'm sitting here looking at the screen and hoping some great big, lightbulb moment will happen.....

If I could guarantee the turn won't end it would be so much easier. I have to prepare for a failed proficiency check - but at the same time, I can't afford to move all my units...

I decide to go for a halfway house... sort of. The trapped infantry battalions seek to escape to the northwest, assisted by the tanks of the 7th Armoured and some infantry provided by the divisions support group and a battalion of the 5th Indian Division.




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