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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/20/2018 8:12:21 PM

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Sub War

The I-17 caught a convoy off Victoria and sank an xAK while damaging another.

The I-28 has been sitting on the SLOC to the NE of Pearl Harbor. Unfortunately, an Allied ASW patrol caught and sank her. A replacement is already enroute.

SW of Kodiak, the I-159 sank an xAK bringing supplies to Dutch Harbor.

Down by Horn Island, the I-159 caught a TF of LSTs hauling fuel and sank two of them.

5 Fleet

Nothing to report.

4 Fleet

MKB2 (Junyo, Hiyo, Shoho, Zuiho, 168 aircraft) is supporting the invasion of Tabiteuea. All the pieces are moving into position.

SE Fleet

Today�s target: nothing! Either weather or Ted rested his bombers.

Ted has been using a new tactic lately: the disposable YMS. He sends them into my ports in small groups to clear mines. They succeed, but usually are sunk in the process by CD guns. He did it again today at Rabaul. Today, he sent two TFs in, one of 3 YMS and the other of 2 DMS and 2 YMS. A dozen Betties flying out of Truk went after the first (missing) and the second was beat up by CD guns. I don�t know what happened to the first, but I think only 1 DMS �survived� the CD guns because it was spotted (and missed) by a sub later in the day.

Gasmata is out of mines and will never get any more. Rabaul still has mines, but they�re dwindling rapidly with this new Allied tactic. I need to get more there. I did hear sinking sounds, so I suspect some of them did sink. I�ll find out from my wonderful intel in 6 months or so.

Ted did send 21 P-40Ks to Manas to go after my brand new Oscars. For the loss of 1 Oscar, they shot down 5 Warhawks. Not bad against a model that is obviously obsolete. I was hoping they�d meet some of the SBDs that frequent the place, but no, the Allied aren�t that accommodating.

SRA

Manila�s fort reached level 6. Now the bastion is 2/3 complete. Clark Field is also at level 6. The engineers are headed to Bataan to work on those forts.

Burma
China

Nothing to report.

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Reinforcements:
14 Naval Construction Battalion is being rebuilt.
RO-111 finished construction. This is nice because it frees up another 24 naval construction points for CV acceleration.

I�ve got 3 CVs accelerating, now roughly 2 of 3 each day. In about a week, I should be able to accelerate all 3 every day. I expect to get them in mid-September 43. I have this sneaky suspicion I�ll need them.

I also have Chitose and Chiyoda completing conversion to CVLs in a couple weeks and the other two around the same time as the CVs. That�s another 309 aircraft for (M)KB by mid-September.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 7:37:16 PM

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That's how much I hate the Oscar after 1942.

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Even the Ki-100 is better in my view,

OK, this Oscar/Tony argument goes on as usual. My point is the Ki-100 should not be available at this time. Let me explain, and Mike this is not meant to say anything against you as I doubt you're aware of the debate. At least from my point of view, and there are many that agree with this view. There's a 'wire chart' available which shows the progression of Japanese aircraft production. I maintain that in order to advance to the next model you must first complete the development of the preceding model along the path of the 'wire chart'. WRT to the Tony that means developing the Ki-67 model and all its versions before you get to start the development of the ki-100. Others, including some here disagree. I even opened a thread on this a while back.

In addition if you follow the wire chart the prospect of Tony development is reduced further. Why? You only have so many R&D locations available and many planes to attempt to develop.

So that being said you would be left with the Oscar. As I've said before I like the Oscar IIIa as a potential kami due to its range, I don't know the Frank's range offhand. Does this mean I'll build hundreds just for that purpose, no but I'll use what I have leftover for it. But that's my game and outlook.

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the optimum strategy is to build the dedicated kami planes (Ki-115

I too like this thinking, but I give pause to the decisions based on what I read here. The ki-115 has a range of 5, which some say puts them way too close and subject to destruction on the ground. Which way to turn...

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 7:44:05 PM

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Ted has been using a new tactic lately: the disposable YMS. He sends them into my ports in small groups to clear mines.

I wouldn't worry too much about this as an identified minefield is pretty ineffective. In addition its been my experience if you include some minesweepers in your invasion fleet they do a rather good job in clearing a path. If the base is bombarded they'll get away fairly unscathed as well, especially if you include some BB's and CA's in that invasion TF. Unless of course you're up against say a Singers or Manila.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 7:56:19 PM

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Can we get a recent screen shot of the greater Rabaul area, sir?

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 7:58:13 PM

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Rusty, we're pretty laid back about things like upgrade paths. You're also right that mines don't cause a lot of damage, but I'll take what I can get:

Edit: Keep in mind that other ships were damaged by mines and then sunk by other means.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 7:58:13 PM

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That's how much I hate the Oscar after 1942.

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Even the Ki-100 is better in my view,

OK, this Oscar/Tony argument goes on as usual. My point is the Ki-100 should not be available at this time. Let me explain, and Mike this is not meant to say anything against you as I doubt you're aware of the debate. At least from my point of view, and there are many that agree with this view. There's a 'wire chart' available which shows the progression of Japanese aircraft production. I maintain that in order to advance to the next model you must first complete the development of the preceding model along the path of the 'wire chart'. WRT to the Tony that means developing the Ki-67 model and all its versions before you get to start the development of the ki-100. Others, including some here disagree. I even opened a thread on this a while back.

In addition if you follow the wire chart the prospect of Tony development is reduced further. Why? You only have so many R&D locations available and many planes to attempt to develop.

So that being said you would be left with the Oscar. As I've said before I like the Oscar IIIa as a potential kami due to its range, I don't know the Frank's range offhand. Does this mean I'll build hundreds just for that purpose, no but I'll use what I have leftover for it. But that's my game and outlook.

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the optimum strategy is to build the dedicated kami planes (Ki-115

I too like this thinking, but I give pause to the decisions based on what I read here. The ki-115 has a range of 5, which some say puts them way too close and subject to destruction on the ground. Which way to turn...

I describe myself as a "game purist" in that if the game lets you do it, you can do it. It has its advantages and disadvantages, as does the opposite attitude. Play as you see fit!

Regarding the Ki-115 - there are absolutely better kami planes than the 115. However, the 115/Toka:

1. Can be used to upgrade kami training squadrons away from the semi-useless Stella/Willow to a practical air frame without exorbitant PP cost
2. Is not used for any other purpose by the IJA/IJN leaving other potential kami airframes (Judy, Peggy, Frances etc) to be used for conventional attacks.
3. The short range will be off-set by the fact that these aircraft should be targeting loaded amphib transports at an invasion site. Carrier hunting with kami's (and LBA in general) is always difficult and rarely successful.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:01:48 PM

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http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4199401#

Here's a link to that thread I referred to if any of you should choose to read it.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:06:20 PM

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Regarding the Ki-115 - there are absolutely better kami planes than the 115. However, the 115/Toka:

1. Can be used to upgrade kami training squadrons away from the semi-useless Stella/Willow to a practical air frame without exorbitant PP cost
2. Is not used for any other purpose by the IJA/IJN leaving other potential kami airframes (Judy, Peggy, Frances etc) to be used for conventional attacks.
3. The short range will be off-set by the fact that these aircraft should be targeting loaded amphib transports at an invasion site. Carrier hunting with kami's (and LBA in general) is always difficult and rarely successful.

Thanks, I get all this, but just sayin'... You're well aware of all the decisions in this game and what the potential results may be.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:08:14 PM

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Can we get a recent screen shot of the greater Rabaul area, sir?

The other carrier group is composed of Akagi, Kaga, Ryujo and Hosho.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:13:31 PM

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I describe myself as a "game purist" in that if the game lets you do it, you can do it. It has its advantages and disadvantages, as does the opposite attitude. Play as you see fit!

Again, I agree, especially with the "Play as you see fit". All I'd like to point out is the code can't encompass everything or cover every occurrence. So I like to tread lightly. I mean did the DEVs even see the possibility of this happening WRT the 'wire chart'. Was it even conceived as possible? Did anyone even think to test for it before it was made available in the game? IOW. Did it slip through the cracks? For me at least as a Japaneses player its one limit I wish not to transgress. Again, 'a thousand players, a thousand ways to play'. Enjoy.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:20:55 PM

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Can we get a recent screen shot of the greater Rabaul area, sir?

The other carrier group is composed of Akagi, Kaga, Ryujo and Hosho.

Mike if you can hang on as you stated 'til the end of the year in this area that would be pretty much the historical time frame. The Allies had just about everything up to (and including?) Wewak in this area by Jan '44. Of course minus Rabaul.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:22:58 PM

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Great. Only 5 more months.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:25:02 PM

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He does scatter when he sees my carriers though.

And he has no idea I'll have 3 more CVs and 4 more CVLs in 2 months. 309 more plane capacity.

And no, I don't want to know what he'll have.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:31:38 PM

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Sub War

It was a rough day for bubbleheads everywhere. I noticed an explosion of Allied TFs around Fiji and sent some subs to get more intel. Well, the I-175 got popped by DCs twice and is limping home with 44-64(36)-5(1)-0 damage.

Off Truk, the Stingray ate 2 DCs and limped away.

The RO-106, a hex SE of Rabaul, ate one DC for 24-31(20)-6(5)-0 damage and is heading home.

The I-172 got caught by an ASW TF and took one DC hit causing 5-31(27)-0-0 damage and is also heading home.

The Scamp was hit by a DC a few hexes SE of Soerabaja.

Finally, the I-35 caught another convoy off Victoria putting a torpedo into an xAK.

5 Fleet

Nothing to report.

4 Fleet

Still moving into position.

SE Fleet

Rabaul was hit, first by 6 CAs, then by practically the whole Allied bomber inventory. Only 37 Japanese fighters were available to oppose them.

When it was all said and done, each side lost 7 fighters along with 5 Allied bombers shot down. Not good.

Hollandia was hit by a P-47 sweep, losing 1 George for 3 P-47s.

Manus was swept by 6 P-40Ks and defended by 24 Oscar IIIas, losing an Oscar to 2 P-40s. Really?

Base damage:

Manus: 100-61-0, service down 18
Kavieng: 95-100-92, trashed,
Rabaul: 44-66-81, trashed,

SRA
Burma
China

Nothing to report.

Other Stuff

Reinforcement: 83 Naval Guard rebuilt, will go to SE Fleet area.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:33:13 PM

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Sub War
5 Fleet

Nothing to report.

4 Fleet

Right off the bat, something hit a mine and sank. Probably a throw away YMS.

KB2 is hovering around Tabiteuea with orders for naval attack then ground attack. There was no Allied shipping in the area, so they went after the troops, hitting the 821 Engineer Aviation Battalion. Nice air intel.

SE Fleet

Rabaul was trashed again. This time only 15 Japanese fighters flew but they did the job (as best they could). For a loss of 5, they shot down 9 fighters and 2 bombers, but only a drop in the Allied bomber bucket.

Four more YMS cleared 49 mines at the cost of heavy fires and damage to them all. I�m sending in a single CM to try and drop some more mines there. She�ll arrive tomorrow. Keeping fingers crossed that she makes it back out.

SRA
Burma
China

Nothing to report.

Other Stuff

Reinforcements:
RO-38, freed up another 26 naval shipbuilding points, yay!
4 Air Army HQ, 8 Area Army, not sure where I�ll sent this unit.
79 JAAF AF Unit, Southern Army

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:35:16 PM

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Sub War
5 Fleet

Nothing to report.

4 Fleet

An Allied TF arrived at Tabiteuea composed of 2 APAs and 2 DDs! My carriers attacked it twice sinking one APA and heavily damaging the second and putting a 500kg bomb into one of the DDs. They were loaded. I�ll find out tomorrow it was the 5 Marine Defense Battalion and (according to intel) some 40 support and 30 guns were destroyed. Banzai!

The cost was a single Judy.

SE Fleet

The CM successfully dropped 150 mines at Rabaul and got out of Dodge! Yay!

The rest of my carriers had been sneaking around to the east of Rabaul to try and catch some Allied ships at various bases but the ships skedaddled. I veered too close to Buna and the planes there launched an attack against me. I had unintentionally set up a CAP trap using my carriers. The attack was 12 SBDs escorted by 13 Wildcats and 12 Corsairs. I had 112 various models of Zeros defending. For no loss, I shot down 10 Wildcats, 5 Corsairs and all the Dauntlesses. I also gained 5 new elite pilots. Banzai!

Today, Manus was the primary target of the Allied bombers. The Oscars there were worthless.

Damage:

Manas: 100-80-98
Kavieng: 98-100-64
Rabaul: 44-88-96
Talasea: 0-100-43

Sigh

SRA

A TK hauling oil took a sub torpedo in the Balikpapan straights. She�ll sink tomorrow.

Burma

Nothing to report.

China

Working over another isolated Chinese Corps. This one is at near full strength but no supply.

Other Stuff

Reinforcement: E Tsushima, Etorofu class ASW vessel

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:35:42 PM

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Sub War

The only thing of note was the triton being hit by a depth charge off Truk.

5 Fleet

Nothing to report.

4 Fleet

I see the one surviving DD (and possibly the badly damaged APA and DD) scurrying east from Tabiteuea (away from my carriers). My carriers are a few hexes west. My invasion fleet finally is in range and will land tomorrow.

SE Fleet

My two groups of carriers found a small TF at Buka and launched 18 Kates, 13 Jills and 27 Judies finding two xAPs. One sank and the other ate 2x 500kg bombs and wasn�t happy when the planes left. I lost a single Jill and pilot. Immediately after, I heard sinking sounds. That xAP or maybe one of the beat up ships from Tabiteuea? Not sure.

Ted spread his bombers around today.

Manas: 100-80-96
Kavieng: 98-100-90
Rabaul: 44-96-97
Talasea: 0-100-36

SRA
Burma

Nothing to report.

China

My army is finally moving in to Chungking. There is some 200k troops including 100k infantry. There are some 640k starving Chinese. Tomorrow, I�ll put all my bombers on Chungking to beat up the infantry more. By the way, I have >1600 guns in the army. I�m planning on bombarding for a while. No real hurry. My goal is to liberate Chungking before the end of the year.

Other Stuff

Reinforcement: Sasebo Ku T-2, Kates, 12 Air Flotilla, training.

The Ki-43-IV R&D advanced to 5/45 (will become operational 2/44). There are 4x30 R&D factories.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:42:29 PM

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Most Excellent! Victory point score?

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/21/2018 8:47:24 PM

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And no, I don't want to know what he'll have.

Actually he only gets one more Essex by the end of the year, so you should be good until then. Provided you keep the KB intact.

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I�m sending in a single CM to try and drop some more mines there. She�ll arrive tomorrow. Keeping fingers crossed that she makes it back out.

Mike, do you still have the 4 sub mine-layers that you start the game with? They could make it in and out. They'll each drop 40 eggs if you have the inventory.

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Some nice results up above Mike. Congrats.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/22/2018 9:24:47 AM

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Most Excellent! Victory point score?

Japanese: 38,868
Allied: 18,741

2.07:1

Even though I don't really pay a lot of attention to that score, I do like seeing it north of 2:1.

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And no, I don't want to know what he'll have.

Actually he only gets one more Essex by the end of the year, so you should be good until then. Provided you keep the KB intact.

That's sort of the key, isn't it?

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/22/2018 9:27:18 AM

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Some nice results up above Mike. Congrats.

It's nit picking and delaying. Nothing really war ending though. But I'm all about delay and the thousand cuts thing.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/22/2018 9:28:43 AM

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I�m sending in a single CM to try and drop some more mines there. She�ll arrive tomorrow. Keeping fingers crossed that she makes it back out.

Mike, do you still have the 4 sub mine-layers that you start the game with? They could make it in and out. They'll each drop 40 eggs if you have the inventory.

I'm down to 1 remaining. Close to 40 mines in supply right now. If you read on, you'll see Rabaul now has 150 brand spanking new mines and the CM is out of trouble.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/22/2018 9:30:57 AM

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When his carriers are repaired, he'll have 3 Essex, 6 pre-war, 2-3 CVLs and all the little babies. Minus the CVEs, that's about 900 capacity. I'll have to count mine up. Don't have it handy. Off to work now. Later, guys!

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/22/2018 12:19:22 PM

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Ted spread his bombers around today.

Manas: 100-80-96
Kavieng: 98-100-90
Rabaul: 44-96-97
Talasea: 0-100-36

How much AA do you have at these bases?

Without George or Franks, your best bomber killer are your Nicks.

You could get most of KB close enough to Manus or Kavieng and put up a large LRCAP to slow his bombers down. EDIT - Take off some DB/TBs and put on more Zeros.

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It's nit picking and delaying. Nothing really war ending though. But I'm all about delay and the thousand cuts thing.

That is the attitude!

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/23/2018 11:54:29 AM

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China

My army is finally moving in to Chungking. There is some 200k troops including 100k infantry. There are some 640k starving Chinese. Tomorrow, I�ll put all my bombers on Chungking to beat up the infantry more. By the way, I have >1600 guns in the army. I�m planning on bombarding for a while. No real hurry. My goal is to liberate Chungking before the end of the year.

This will be interesting. I've never been able to liberate CK starting this late. Even when I get the forts down to zero, which is frightfully painful (takes me about one month per fort level) there are just SO many CHI squads that I can never get the 2:1 ratio needed.
Granted I am playing AI, and more importantly Ironman so the CHI units have been increased (but I haven't run the numbers to know exactly how much). In stock it may be possible, I've just never tried ...

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/23/2018 12:06:19 PM

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Today, Manus was the primary target of the Allied bombers. The Oscars there were worthless.

Yeah, Oscar as an interceptor is not ideal. Low: DUR, Armament, climb, speed. Yeah, not really a good match to the mission. Tojo fits the bill better. If only it had 2x20mm CL guns ... sheesh, if we're gonna dream; 4x20mmm CL guns.

I tested that once ... good thing for the "greatest generation" that IJ never did that, some of us wouldn't be here because USAAF bomber casualties would have been a lot higher.

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