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ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits

Good call on hitting Bryansk sector to keep up the pace it'll dislodge M60 along alot of the front and gives you the option to open the gates for both AGC and AGS

In my game with M60 I reached Lenin around the same time and got met by a wall of X CV's behind the Neva I imagine he has done the same here but I had to ignore it after bashing my head a few times and chose to deal with it without bothering to fight it which niggled heavily at my apparent superiority

I am sure you will have the answer ready quickly and efficiently so am very much looking forward to that to be quickly assimilated into my moves

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

I know it falls under playing with your meal before you eat it but oh well.

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ORIGINAL: AFV

HLYA- your walkthrough on the Bryansk attack was very instructional. I know it had to be a pita to take all the screenshots and the comments, but its a fantastic series of posts- thank you so much for doing that.

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ORIGINAL: timmyab

The row of three second from top looks like the weak link to me. If a mobile div has the MPs to go through three ZOCs on the South side of it all three defending units will be bumped to the North and the defense will open up nicely. Same applies to the row beneath it actually, but it reverse of course.

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ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits

Interesting defence I would try cutting it in half above bryansk but even then it could be hard to seal in entirety and safety if you assume you didn't have Axis forces placed perfectly which would be likely

If there was a panzer corp on each end you could plasuibly cut the rail and zoc block it for a two turn pocket but it wouldn't be a great land grab or a huge manpower grab for the time it would take

Nice defence for Soviets I think if you accept a little possible collateral damage for the advantage of buying time for a few bodies and a couple of hexes which is usually a good exchange for the Soviets if it isn't happening all over the front

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But what I'm trying to say is that you really don't need the tradition long snake front line to make an effective defense since just a single front line is easily broken and no defense in depth.

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ORIGINAL: timmyab

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But what I'm trying to say is that you really don't need the tradition long snake front line to make an effective defense since just a single front line is easily broken and no defense in depth.

I agree and I've seen some effective hedgehog type defenses, mainy where people build powerful stacks, but their weakness is always the german armor ability to pass through multiple ZOCs and I think this defense is probably vulnerable to that.
Looking at it again I think that it's the third row down that is the weakest link because I would guess, (with my new found knowledge of these things ), that a german mech unit will only need to pass through two ZOC because the unit in hex marked A will choose to retreat in one of the directions marked. If it's necessary to cross the river through ZOC there should still be plenty of MPs for the job.
Ignore units marked B and C, these would be cleared out the way.

More puzzles please.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: timmyab

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But what I'm trying to say is that you really don't need the tradition long snake front line to make an effective defense since just a single front line is easily broken and no defense in depth.

I agree and I've seen some effective hedgehog type defenses, mainy where people build powerful stacks, but their weakness is always the german armor ability to pass through multiple ZOCs and I think this defense is probably vulnerable to that.
Looking at it again I think that it's the third row down that is the weakest link because I would guess, (with my new found knowledge of these things ), that a german mech unit will only need to pass through two ZOC because the unit in hex marked A will choose to retreat in one of the directions marked. If it's necessary to cross the river through ZOC there should still be plenty of MPs for the job.
Ignore units marked B and C, these would be cleared out the way.

More puzzles please.

Remember that unit "B" will retreat down the rail line east if you don't force it to a different hex with a ZOC. Also, the hex two hexes in front of "A" will also retreat down the rail line also making the stack have a higher combat value. Then when you attack that hex(one hex in front of "A") the two units will also more than likely retreat to "A". Remember units will the majority of the time retreat to a woods hex with rail over a clear hex with rail ;-). So the whole attack is going to be a little more difficult each hex down the line ;-) The whole point of this is that you are costing Germans MP's. If the Soviets had more units you could have put another line where numbers 18, 27, and 41 for a double line. But I was just trying to do a 1 for 1 unit comparison that M60 had in the area on what I would have done on a defense. Pretty much at this stage in the game, it is very difficult to set up a full proof defense but it does delimit German MP's which you are fighting the most against and against a deep penetration. Like I have said many times any defense can be broken, just at what cost.

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ORIGINAL: beender

The best German opening i've seen or heard of (well not that i've seen many). Hands down.

If i might learn (or at least try to）your style of German play, I suppose this AAR provides the best tutorial? Please let me know if there is a thread or AAR that contains more details. Thanks!

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ORIGINAL: timmyab

That's the whole point of pushing the mech unit through ZOC. To force them to retreat South. If the River line at the rear was defended that would complicate things.

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ORIGINAL: timmyab

Keep posting ideas, it's very interesting.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: Dinglir

I really love the detailed reports you do on the preparations. I am sure this will help a lot of players improve their game. I have certainly picked up a thing or two.

Keep it up.

Recon and planning is so important for the Germans I can't stress this enough. 90% preparation and 10% execution.

I will do the two detailed attacks on Leningrad & Bryansk real quick tonight on my step by steps so people can see the moves. But I don't know if I can continue through the whole campaign because it does get pretty tedious.