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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 3:56:42 PM

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There is actually a track through the Quattara Depression... really?

But not through the escarpment. Look carefully.

warspite1

Well that is weird. My commando unit attacked an Axis base unit and I am sure it retreated over the escarpment.....

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 3:58:16 PM

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His supply situation down south has to be crap, doesn't it?

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I hope so but sadly I can't tell. And I don't know what effect taking Tobruk has.

Taking Tobruk will not have any effect at all now. That's because you must not have read my post #4 here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4444651

And you didn't follow the "gentleman's agreement" I suggested there. Perhaps you can get your opponent to give Mersa Matruh back to you? (Seriously).

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No we both read it but forgot as the Axis line was at Sidi Barrani at the time.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 4:17:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

There is actually a track through the Quattara Depression... really?

But not through the escarpment. Look carefully.

warspite1

Well that is weird. My commando unit attacked an Axis base unit and I am sure it retreated over the escarpment.....

There are minor escarpments in the same vicinity. Perhaps that was what it retreated over. It can't cross the major ones, though.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 4:27:25 PM

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Turn 152 - Axis Turn (in real time)
28th February 1942

Sure enough the breathing space I developed has disappeared as the Italians move up to my lines... panzers too - this must be the attack.

Yes - he's moved up to the southern frontline too.

Lots of moves further back and invisible moves taking the counter up to 1,574.

The bombardments begin on the western front....

...but no - it was just the one bombardment (which cost a couple of AA guns, a couple of rifle squads and other odds and ends). The hex was my former airfield at Qotifya - so maybe he thought there were still aircraft there?

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 4:54:17 PM

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Turn 152
28th February 1942

This turn the 8th Army assets reorganise again - they only did this a few turns ago

One thing I missed in the playback is that the Italians have moved infantry between the Quattara Depression and the escarpment to the north. This puts my commandoes out of supply so I investigate with my Czech companies.

The Czechs report back - the news is bad.....

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 5:57:47 PM

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Turn 152
28th February 1942

While I try and work out what to do below the Depression, its the usual drill on the western front. I lose a number of AA units to engagement and air attack - and no less than four Indian infantry companies are also caught. My mood is not helped by the loss of an AA battery as the 22nd Armoured has decided to reorganise - and a battalion of Indian infantry also unilaterally decides to reorganise and get caught.... thanks for that...

In retreating this turn I lose 4 batteries and 1 regiment of AA and two companies of Indian infantry are out in no man's land...

I check on my air forces and see I've lost another squadron with no information as to why or how. It looks like it was Tomahawk b that's gone this time.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 6:56:08 PM

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Turn 153

Note this turn will be a write-off for both of us. Mersah Matruh was accidentally occupied and so is an Axis supply source due to a bug.

We are having to use this turn to manufacture the Allies capturing it back and will be gin again from Turn 154.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 9:05:32 PM

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Turn 153

I post this screenshot to confirm that I have gained no intelligence from the operation. I would ideally like to keep the unit there as a reminder not to use the hex but then it would be interdicted anyway.

The unit only got part way back to its lines but will be easily swallowed up (its only a battery). Now all devoncop has to do is remember not to go through it.....

The rest of the unit and the spare I placed with it are now back behind friendly lines.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 10:29:02 PM

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Turn 154 - Axis Turn (in real time)
7th March 1942

A slight breakdown in communication there. devoncop to move again otherwise I get a double turn.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 7:39:49 AM

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Turn 155 - Axis Turn (in real time)
11th March 1942

Okay so we're off again....

The turn begins with a lot of reinforcement arriving around the Bardia area. I spot artillery, engineers, flak units, more German formations and aircraft. These moves end at Move 936.

Now its back to the western front - ohh I spoke too soon - there is more movement (aircraft in particular) that goes on until move 1,383.

Now it really is back to the western front and the reduction of my units left behind

It's difficult to do because of size, lack of unit detail and fog of war, but I am going to see if I can count how many artillery pieces devoncop has in this area. 9 so far

Then the action moves to the south, sub the Quattara Depression. I can't quite see what is happening as the info bar is in the way but my SAAF air base 'recce' unit is evaporated - as is the RAF equivalent to the south.

Forces are now being brought up to meet my blocking units on the track immediately south of the Depression

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 7:52:43 AM

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Turn 155 - Axis Turn (in real time)
11th March 1942

Italian forces are now being joined by German units - from the Oasis battalions and more non-motorised Italian infantry come pouring through the Depression.

Action switches back to the Tobruk-Bardia area as more reinforcements head east - including panzer units. Then there is a ton of invisible moves.

Back to the western front and the Italians pick on my outlying Indian companies in the southwest corner. The Punjabis retreat. A surrounded company from the 74th HAA Regt. then evaporates.

Artillery count is now up to 15. There are a number (minimum 4) further back which I suspect will move up when the stragglers are destroyed so I keep the count to 15.

Another AA company is destroyed and now bombardments of the frontline begin. Count is up to 20.

Now for the first time the Axis attack and whatever was in the Oasis hex south of the coastal road is no longer there....

Large numbers of German formations are now looking to exploit.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 8:07:08 AM

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Turn 155 - Axis Turn (in real time)
11th March 1942

More bombardments - the Germans are really targeting the coastal road area. But then it stops. No further attacks to exploit.

So let's see what happened.

1 + 5. This was a bit of a bonus as the 94th HAA Regt. held its position thanks to the intervention of some Royal Horse Artillery and their South African counterparts. The AA unit was almost eliminated but they at least cost the enemy 14 squads, 7 machine guns, a mortar, 3 trucks and 5 Italian tanks! The follow-up attack finished off the plucky defenders but they took another haul of Italians - 5 squads, 11 machine guns, 2 mortars, an anti-tank gun and an AA gun.

2, 6 + 8. This bombardment against my artillery costs 12 squads, 10 machine guns, 4 mortars and 13 trucks - but the biggest issue is the loss of more than a quarter of the 18 25-pounders. Pleasingly the defenders replied with counter-battery fire, costing the enemy 8 large calibre guns. There were two follow-up attacks that cost another 7 25-pounders - but the Italians lost a similar number of artillery pieces and a He-111 bomber.

3. This was the attack against the company of the 3/2nd Punjab Regiment. The Indians were almost wiped out - unsurprisingly as the Italians employed 13 artillery regiments - but managed to retreat. And they took with them 16 rifle/machine-gun squads, 15 machine guns, 2 mortars, 1 AT and 2 AA guns.

4. This was the destruction of two batteries of AA from the 25th LAA and 74th HAA Regts. 8 AA guns were lost - but again its pleasing to see that 20 squads of various types were taken with them.

7. Ahh so that explains the missing infantry. We agreed I would make no move on Turn 153 (while we sorted the Mersha Matruh issue). But when there was the mix up and this extended to 154 I hadn't noticed the withdrawal of the South Staffs Bn. This left an AA unit on its own which retreated presumably in RBC. So I now have the same problem in the hex to the north where there is no infantry defending there either

That is a big problem. Oh well, nothing to be done about it now but just get on with it.

9 + 10. Two bombardments against the hex to the south of the missing infantry. 22 artillery regiments in the first bombardment and 24 in the second. The Rajputana Rifles and the AA support started with 53 rifle squads.... they end with 37...

11. This final, and relatively ineffective bombardment was against my most exposed unit - another of the 3/2nd Punjab Bn. companies.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 9:04:45 AM

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Turn 155
11th March 1942

So extraction may prove more problematic....we'll see. But first things first. I put a French air base unit in Mersa. Hopefully as this won't move it won't be interdicted and can just stay there.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 9:10:38 AM

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Turn 155
11th March 1942

As its been a few turns, and given I lost track with the British battalions disappearing, the first thing I do is check the status of my air units.

Air Forces

The operational squadrons show nil as I have yet to decide what to do this turn.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 10:43:06 AM

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Turn 155
11th March 1942

I need to try and extract my forces, but first a check on the reinforcements/withdrawals situation.

Additions

Firstly the 2nd Armoured 'Division' (effectively a reinforced brigade) appears to have a more than welcome addition to the fold. The 1st Armoured Brigade HQ arrives with the 4th Hussars Regiment. Now don't get me wrong, the Hussars have no tanks but hopefully the unit will start filling out - albeit their main armament is the M3 Stuart - but frankly any armour addition is welcome.

Withdrawals

I cross-check what the schedule is saying in the documentation with reinforcement/withdrawal schedule. This turn I lost 2 British infantry battalions and 2 British artillery regiments. The schedule shows on Turn 155 2 x Inf and 3 x Art disappearing. So there may be one more artillery removal to come.

The next units to withdraw are on Turn 157 (3 x Infantry and a Brigade HQ):

The 5th Indian Brigade GQ
2/1st Punjab Bn.
4/6th Rajputana Rifles Bn.

1st Royal East Kent Bn.

The schedule states 4 infantry disappearing and so I assume that the HQ is included in this.

On both schedule and report, there are then just a couple of withdrawals until turn 183 when I lose the HQ and 3 battalions of the 3rd Indian Motor Brigade.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 11:13:18 AM

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Turn 155
11th March 1942

Armed with all this information I now try and extract my forces from the mess they are in. This starts badly as the AA regiment on the coastal road is engaged and won't be travelling any further... the 52nd Light AA suffers the same fate as does a battery of the 15th LAA.

The final task is to try and extract the six infantry companies of the 5th Indian Division from the southwestern perimeter.

Starting from the east, the first two companies (from the 1st Worcesters and the Royal Fusiliers) make their escape. But a second company from the Worcesters evaporates.

Then its the turn of the brave Punjab battalion that have grimly - and successfully - held their own for so long. The first company are engaged and won't be going any further, the same fate befalls the second, and the third is also engaged. I salute my brave Indians - their nightmare sadly continues....

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 11:31:52 AM

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Turn 155
11th March 1942

I will have to decide where to withdraw to but before I do I turn my attention to south of the Quattara Depression. My air base 'recce' unit in the south spots a detachment of Narzeyes to the south. That's unwelcome.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 12:08:01 PM

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Turn 155
11th March 1942

It looks like I've just made the most colossal - and I mean colossal - mistake.

I started moving units before I've given orders to my aircraft - that's not unusual I do that most, if not everytime - and indeed I moved my units on the western front accordingly.

But the Axis has obviously a lot of aircraft on interdiction.....

I've moved a large stack of AA units in the Delta to the coast. These units have travelled through three air bases. The interdicting aircraft have obviously attacked while the land units were moving through the air bases - and have made mincemeat of my squadrons.

The numbers above are now meaningless. I've lost almost ninety aircraft and my Blenheim squadrons - and a few Hurricane squadrons - have been wrecked. These units will be unoperational for a looong time....

For no good reason other than a spot of carelessness I've just lost:

66 Blenheims
10 Hurricanes
8 Wellingtons

Of my 6 Blenheim squadrons, 1 has evaporated, and 4 are reorganising....

It looks like three fighter squadrons did change to air superiority (and maybe tried to help) but all the others - most of which are next door - remain on rest.

That is a total and utter disaster of the highest order. I've just lost more than a quarter of my total bomber force in a matter of a few seconds....

There was nothing I could do but watch the disaster unfold as the AA units were attacked one after another...

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 7:17:32 PM

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Turn 155
11th March 1942

Thoroughly depressed by that chain of events I withdraw to a line running north-south just west of Ghaza, and maintaining the same southeasterly headed line that then takes a dog-leg right south of Alam Halfa, down as far as the eastern approaches to the Quattara Depression - where it turns west to try and stem the Italian and German infantry encroachment south of the Depression.

I place my remaining air units (that are able to function) on air superiority/interdiction, and set the range so that they won't be flying into German controlled air space. I have air superiority so let's see what happens.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 7:44:08 AM

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Turn 156 - Axis Turn (in real time)
14th March 1942

The Italians start in the north, retreating a few AA units, before a company of the 15th LAA Regt. is evaporated.

The Italians (and a few German units too) then proceed to push up to the front and surround my 5th Indian Division companies.

Then the screen switches to the south of Quattara and a large build up of Axis infantry....

The Italians pressure the southern front (western section)

An attack is launched that splits the two most exposed Punjabi companies - leaving one surrounded.

Reinforcements around Sidi now

A lot of invisible moves takes the counter over 2,200

The Punjab company evaporates as does an LAA company from the 27th Regt.

More bombardments get underway and a Fusilier company evaporates

Lots of tank units moving to the front line now - and sooo many artillery units just behind

The Greek air base unit on the coast evaporates as does the 74th HAA Regt. and the Rajputana Rifles with them. My defence on the coastal road has caved in.

More bombardments - the southwest in under intense pressure

More artillery!!!

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 12:45:32 PM

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If you lose this, there's every chance the Axis will be able to take the whole middle & near-east with all of their resources; close down the lendlease route through Persia; take the Soviet Caucasian oil assets & knock them out of the war; link up with Japanese and get access to far eastern resources; make India untenable for the British; and generally enslave Europe for decades, in a nightmare of repression and kleptocracy.

But no pressure!

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 5:38:45 PM

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If you lose this, there's every chance the Axis will be able to take the whole middle & near-east with all of their resources; close down the lendlease route through Persia; take the Soviet Caucasian oil assets & knock them out of the war; link up with Japanese and get access to far eastern resources; make India untenable for the British; and generally enslave Europe for decades, in a nightmare of repression and kleptocracy.

But no pressure!

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Given the somewhat staggering display of incompetence on show I'm not sure why you used If

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 5:42:44 PM

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Turn 156
14th March 1942

Unsurprisingly after I've finished moaning my arse off at the thought of losing the entire 22nd Guards Brigade, the first thing I do is to check the state of the Desert Air Force I single-handedly tried to lose.....

...the news is even worse than I feared... the Hurricane is really not rated highly by the game makers even with air superiority...

Even stranger is the fact that this turn I've lost 29 aircraft vs 18 enemy and yet I didn't even fly

Presumably this is the interdiction nonsense rearing its ugly head once more? So I had air superiority, none of my aircraft had the range to fly close to enemy air bases and the majority of my aircraft were closer to any potential action (range) than the Axis... and I still got trounced?

Two Hurricane squadrons and one Blenheim are reorganising - and there are a number of squadrons on light green so I will have to review what I can afford to make operational.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 6:58:22 PM

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Turn 156
14th March 1942

The situation is almost hopeless enemy at this stage of the war have too many units, they have waaaay to much artillery and are invulnerable in the sky even without air superiority. Instead of keep retreating I've decided to try and take back the hex I lost on the coast. In doing so I filled my forward most airfield and 2 seconds later two of the three are reorganising. I decide to send the RN in and start with some bombardments....

Damn! I pressed the wrong button and have lost all the detail as the turn ends

So here is a high level summary of the turn

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 6:44:11 AM

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Turn 157 - Axis Turn
18th March 1942

As expected, as soon as any sort of stand whatsoever is attempted, the subsequent losses from the massed enemy artillery borders on the ridiculous. I really can't see what can be done against this. That turn my losses were just horrendous. There were 19 battles/bombardments and I don't intend to go through them all but here are the 'highlights'.

South of Quattara Depression (south)

My outposts were largely brushed aside. The commando units were able to avoid destruction but have been badly mauled. The presence of an entire panzer battalion south of the Quattara was not expected - and seems incredibly unrealistic. Supply for this unit seems good (dark green) and so I suspect it can go some way yet....

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 6:52:06 AM

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Turn 157 - Axis Turn
18th March 1942

South of the Quattara Depression (north)

There was no movement here, but I suspect that devoncop is quite happy to pin my forces in place while he wheels up from the south with his panzers.

Note: 50th Division has gone into reorganisation

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 6:54:52 AM

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Turn 157 - Axis Turn
18th March 1942

The bombardments have taken a hideous toll. I will try and do a tally of what devoncops artillery alone cost to gauge just how bad this is.

The Axis have made three breaches of my line. The hotly contested piece of real estate on the coast, the hex two hexes to the south and also the southwestern corner of the line.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 8:08:55 AM

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Turn 157 - Axis Turn
18th March 1942

The table below shows all bombardments/combats for the last turn. The CW lost (evaporated) the following entire infantry battalions (all 1st South African Division):

1st DEO Rifles
1st Transvaal
Pres Steyn MG Bn.

In addition numerous AT and AA units were lost (evaporated).

The losses to infantry and field artillery are totally unsustainable.

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 8:21:01 AM

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Turn 157 - Axis Turn
18th March 1942

I see the Germans lost (evaporated) the 8th Panzer Regt. HQ, 15th Pz Division. I thought I would check at a slightly less granular level what the Axis losses looked like. The numbers were pleasantly surprising. Although the attacks did not cost the Axis more overall, I have to assume that replacement rates are not as high and therefore losses cost more (or am I clutching at straws?

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RE: CFNA 1940-43 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 8:48:40 AM

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Turn 157
18th March 1942

The big question now is: do I try and run again, or do I try and pinch out the salients? As always, the former is risky anyway because my units are likely to be engaged - even more so with the incursions - but staying means I'm vulnerable to the Axis artillery.

A final decision can only be made once I know the state of my forces in more detail.

But before that, I send some recce units out to try and discover more about devoncop's intentions just north of the Depression. I assumed he would have taken up residence in the high ground (see below) but he appears to have pulled back from venturing all the way to the eastern end of this feature - maybe lack of air bases is his consideration here?

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