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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 10/10/2017 1:58:28 PM   
jwolf

 

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Status: offline 		Since the Allies hold Ramree, do they get the magic 500 points of supply per day? And if so, does that automatically go to Chungking? It wouldn't be enough for his army, but it would sure help and maybe that's why they just won't or can't be starved out. Just my speculation.

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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 10/10/2017 2:12:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jwolf
Since the Allies hold Ramree, do they get the magic 500 points of supply per day? And if so, does that automatically go to Chungking?

No and no.
Should be Rangoon not Ramree, plus open burma road. And 500 supply appears at Tsuyung not Chungking.

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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Ch... - 10/10/2017 3:23:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly, Burma Road is not open since I still hold Rangoon and most of the rail/road across Burma.

I keep units in the hills between Paoshan and Lashio in order to delay the opening of the Burma Road for as long as possible.

We also have a house rule that does not allow bombing of industries in China - so LI at Chungking may create supplies from resource stockpiles.

Chungking gets magic daily supplies which cannot be stopped, but that should be a trickle of what would be needed for an ironman defense.

Those lopsided results are really frustrating. I would expect such results when rushing to Chunking through one hexside and shock-attacking without prior prep point accumulation, without recon, without arty and air preparation but with bad leaders, disruption and low supplies.

But here I have been preparing the battlefield for months and according to the book. I don't see what I have done wrong in my preparations. I certainly did not expect to see Chungking fall, but given the difference in firepower and numbers, I reasonably expected heavier losses on the Chinese side than on my side and a fort reduction or two. I have invested more than the last time but the results are even worse. This is hard to accept.

The actual results are ridiculous. It will take several months to rebuild the shattered units for another try. In the meantime Ed will have reopened the Burma Road. This one freak battle result puts my entire continental strategy in question. China was the only theater where I still could hope to hurt the Allies - now I'm on the defensive here as well. That sucks.

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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 10/10/2017 3:39:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Only attack with tank units and full divisions. Don't overstack. Check your disruption, fatigue, percent disabled before attacking. Recover troops in adjacent road hex with HQ.

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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Ch... - 10/10/2017 11:44:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
We also have a house rule that does not allow bombing of industries in China - so LI at Chungking may create supplies from resource stockpiles.

Oh, that's bad. You cannot count on his resources running out to shut down LI, and there's quite a lot. If his airfield was higher than others in the vicinity for some time, he would have a pile of resources there. And bombing does not do much against supplies inside corps with little AA devices.

I guess industry house rule + stacking limits + smashed attackers effectively make CK unassailable for you now. Barring allied negligence or lucky rolls with forts it would be very hard in a regular game anyway. Japan should work from the start on killing other Chinese, so that they revive and eventually stay in CK for crazy overstacking. Easier said than done too against good Allied player. You can still do it and reap some hunger rewards from just sieging in time you have left I guess.


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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 10/11/2017 12:25:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Only attack with tank units and full divisions. Don't overstack. Check your disruption, fatigue, percent disabled before attacking. Recover troops in adjacent road hex with HQ.

+1

Stacking limits requires a number of changes to specific tactics. I think you got hit by overstack; some of your units ran out of supply (or were low on supply) BEFORE they attacked and thus suffered ....

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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 10/11/2017 12:38:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Re disruption, overstacking and supplies:

When I ordered the attack, disruption was single-digit for all units involved.

Supplies were good, I have stockpiles in the cities nearby. No unit was "red" supply-wise before the attack and even after the attack none is "red".

Overstacking only happened the turn I launched the attack, i.e. I had troops below the stacking limit in the hex, moved-in the reinforcements and launched the attack immediately after their arrival.

I have also rechecked the leaders, with the exception of two Brigade commanders, all HQ, Div, Bde and Tank Rgt commanders are in the high60s and 70s range, and of the "assault" type.

I have about four divisions left in "fighting shape", i.e. with 80+% TOE strength and the number of disabled squads lower than the number of healthy squad. Those units and the arty will stay at Chungking to continue the arty siege.

The rest will disengage and rebuild. Depending how long this will take, I may try a stab against Kunming in order to plug the supply flow via the Burma Road - Rangoon and the forces between Lashio and Paoshan blocking it will not hold forever.

On the carrier side - no trace of the Allied forces, and my CAGs need more time to rebuild - repairs are slow. Plans for rushing out or hitting Colombo have been shelved.

I may sent the healthier CVs to Kendari / Ambon. Heavy allied bombing attacks on airbases at Koepang and Dili and ground attacks on various islands in the Timor Sea indicate that something is afoot down there. Probably a stab against Selaroe, Saumlaki or Babar, my bases closest to Darwin. Naval search and recon reports much naval activities there and at Bathurst, including landing crafts. Smells fishy.


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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 10/11/2017 3:20:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		1.  It is a mistake to wait 2 weeks between attacks.  Read up my comments in Lowpe's AAR v Joc re how to conduct operations against surrounded enemy forces.

2.  Moving the extra units which created an overstack added a 1-5 random increase to disruption and fatigue to all the units.  You may think your units were only in single figures but that is not necessarily the actual data which was fed into the combat algorithms.  Disruption and fatigue impacts on the "efficiency" of their performance in the combat fire phase.  The more ready enemy AV devices which survive the combat fire phase the better the final adjusted AV will be after the terrain, leader and fortification multipliers are applied.

3.  Having multiple HQs present doesn't improve the chances of getting favourable bonus combat odds.

Alfred

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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 10/12/2017 7:36:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget



I have about four divisions left in "fighting shape", i.e. with 80+% TOE strength and the number of disabled squads lower than the number of healthy squad. Those units and the arty will stay at Chungking to continue the arty siege.

How much damage and casualties do your artillery bombardments cause on Chungking, on average?

quote:

ORIGINAL LST
The rest will disengage and rebuild. Depending how long this will take, I may try a stab against Kunming in order to plug the supply flow via the Burma Road - Rangoon and the forces between Lashio and Paoshan blocking it will not hold forever.


That sounds as an excellent choice, better than conquering the Chungking code;

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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 10/13/2017 1:17:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the short term, maybe. Long term, taking out CK is very beneficial.

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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 3/5/2018 11:54:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Long time no see. Was too depressed by the repeated Chungking disasters to care about updating the AAR. Game has reached Oct 25th. In the 7 game weeks since the last update I have made another try at Chungking în early October after rebuilding the shattered Eng units and swapping depleted divisions for fresh ones. This time I have attacked without overstacking, but got the same lopsided results - 16k casualties vs 4k and 250+ squads destroyed vs. 30+. Forts got reduced to 4, some small consolation. However, I have not come that far to give up. I’m rebuilding again, and I have ordered several divisions from the “Second Front” at Changsha to move to Chungking. I’ll take that §$%§& city or will die trying.

quote:

How much damage and casualties do your artillery bombardments cause on Chungking, on average?


Here is typical day at Chungking:

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Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 84
Ki-51 Sonia x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
77 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
26 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
31 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
13 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
3 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 97th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking Chungking ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 97th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking Chungking ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 97th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 97th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 97th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking Chungking ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 97th Chinese Corps ...
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Morning Air attack on 53rd Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIb Sally x 27
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-48-IIa Lily x 57

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
178 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-21-IIb Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
26 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
31 x Ki-48-IIa Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 14th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking China Command ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 14th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking China Command ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 14th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking China Command ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 14th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking China Command ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 14th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking China Command ...
Also attacking 53rd Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking 14th Chinese Corps ...
Also attacking China Command ...
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Morning Air attack on 14th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 23
Ki-51 Sonia x 29

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 59th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-48-IIb Lily x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIb Lily: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-48-IIb Lily releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-48-IIb Lily releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
12 x Ki-48-IIb Lily releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on 59th Chinese Corps, at 76,45 (Chungking)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 28 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-51 Sonia x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 23
Ki-51 Sonia x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-51 Sonia x 6

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 50 kg GP Bomb
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Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 108093 troops, 1354 guns, 986 vehicles, Assault Value = 3417

Defending force 129146 troops, 407 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2816

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
247 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
70th Division
3rd Tank Division
33rd Ind Engineer Regiment
26th Division
37th Division
12th Tank Regiment
7th Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Division
19th Tank Regiment
13th Division
35th Division
9th Armored Car Co
11th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
29th Ind Engineer Regiment
116th Division
23rd Tank Regiment
34th Ind Engineer Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Army
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Ind. Field Artillery Regiment
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
1st Mortar Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
1st Army
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
4th Mortar Battalion
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

Defending units:
51st Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
97th Chinese Corps
1st Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
14th Chinese Corps
38th Chinese Corps
89th Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Corps
28th Chinese Corps
1st New Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
34th Separate Brigade
31st Group Army
12th Group Army
17th Group Army
1st Construction Regiment
China Command
18th Artillery Regiment
Central Reserve
40th Group Army
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment
41st AA Regiment
49th AA Regiment
12th Construction Regiment
32nd Group Army
CAF HQ
10th Group Army
1st Chinese Base Force


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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 3/5/2018 12:27:16 PM   
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In Northern Burma, I have evacuated Katha, Warazup and Myitkyina to concentrate at Bhamo, and I have been pushed out of Lashio. Four expandable - er, expendable Thai divisions and two IJA brigades are trying to keep the Burma Road closed for as long as possible. Supplies are being airlifted to Bhamo from Hanoi, so far without LRCAP intervention. Fingers crossed.

Central Burma has been evacuated step by step after the defenders of Akyab and Ramree Island managed to avoid being cut off - only one brigade of the 4th Divison had to be sacrificed in the hills between Akyab and Magwe. I have also decided to evacuate Rangoon. First of all, the port being useless for me since the Allies on Port Blair control the approaches and it has become difficult to supply my forces by sea. And second, Rangoon is a deathtrap because Pegu is open terrain and the Allied 4Es would make mincemeat of any force trying to hold it. The evacuation does hand the Allies a number of level-7 airbases and a good port to supply their ground and air forces. However, I might be able to extract a price from the expected convoys from the air base complex I'm preparing at Pisanuloke and Bangkok - provided I can scrape together a viable airforce. On the ground, I try to establish a defensive line in the jungles along the Sittang river, but I'm still concerned about landings at Tavoy or Mergui unhinging the door of my house of cards.





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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 3/5/2018 12:59:19 PM   
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quote:

I’ll take that §$%§& city or will die trying.


That's the attitude I like!

quote:

Four expandable Thai divisions ...


You may wish you could expand them, but they're probably expendable.

Good luck with further attacks at Chungking. The action in Burma is interesting. It seems that that area can be a deathtrap to either side, in either direction; whoever is trying to retreat is in severe danger of being cut off or overtaken.

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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 3/5/2018 1:20:34 PM   
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quote:

I may sent the healthier CVs to Kendari / Ambon. Heavy allied bombing attacks on airbases at Koepang and Dili and ground attacks on various islands in the Timor Sea indicate that something is afoot down there. Probably a stab against Selaroe, Saumlaki or Babar, my bases closest to Darwin. Naval search and recon reports much naval activities there and at Bathurst, including landing crafts. Smells fishy.


As predicted, Ed has launched an attack in this sector. Babar Is. has been taken with much effort from the lightly armed garrison, the 4th Raiding Regiment (Paras) in the final days of September. Enemy paras also took the dot bases of Damar and Molu. Alas, I don't have enough ground forces to defend the dozens of islands down there "adequately".

However, I cannot allow Ed to obtain a foothold down there, too many bases with good airbase potential in the area for the taking. So Babar must be taken back or at least be neutralized, until an even bigger threat appears. I do have one division guarding more important bases further back - Ambon, Boela and Kaimana - which can be thrown into a counter-attack, and a trickle of ground reinforcements will start to arrive soon. Combined Fleet has been sent first to Koepang, and after night-bombing of the port claimed some victims among the Fleet train of AKEs, ARs etc., it is now based at Ambon. Amhib shipping, supplies, air units and base forces have been ordered into the area. Babar is just within fighter range of my bases at Dili, Ambon, Boela and Kaimana, and bombers can base at Koepang and Kendari. Combined Fleet has launched some raids against Babar and a feint against Darwin / Bathurst to buy time for the build-up.

These preliminaries have been costly, the area is thick with enemy submarines and mines, so far I have two CVEs damaged by subs and a CL, five DDs and a sub sunk by mines, subs - and paratroopers. Yes, when Ed's Para Commandos took Damar Is., DD Akatsuki which had been mined and heavily damaged at Babar and was seeking shelter at Damar for emergency repairs, was scuttled.

Last turn I have finally launched the counter-landing, and of course I have botched it. First, the three minesweepers in the invasion force got hit by subs, PTs and then coastal arty, leaving the rest of the invasion fore to discover mines the hard way. Second, something went wrong with the fighter cover. KB is two hexes away and I was counting on "leaking" CAP to augment the three CVEs I had sent to Babar with follow orders for the invasion force. During turn resolution the Allied counter-attacked with one Dauntless squadron and one B-25 squadron on low-level attack. The first attacks had a few Zeros intercepting, then the skies on the first day and the second day were clear. After the turn I found the CVE force sitting at Ambon - apparently they followed the invasion force into Babar but then decided Ambon was a better place to be. Long story short, the SBDs and B-25s ravaged the invasion force, despite having BBs, CAs and numerous DDs (among them eight Akizuki anti-aircraft DDs). I have managed to get about half of the 2nd Division ashore - great.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Babar at 76,117

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 12

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 21
SBD-3 Dauntless x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
LSD Nigitsu Maru
AK Awazisan Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kagu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Ume Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Ryujo-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
Shoho-1 with A6M5 Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 5000.
Raid is overhead
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Babar at 76,117

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 5 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
xAK Ryujo Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tsukuba Maru
AK Awata Maru
LSD Akitsu Maru
CA Mogami
xAP Horai Maru
xAK Kozan Maru, on fire
xAP Teifu Maru

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing and strafing from low level
Naval Attack: 6 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Shoho-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters to 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 53 minutes
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Babar at 76,117

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 11

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 35
SBD-3 Dauntless x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
CA Kinugasa
AK Tacoma Maru
xAP Horai Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 2

Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
6 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
11 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet
8 x F6F-3 Hellcat sweeping at 20000 feet

CAP engaged:
Ryujo-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
Shoho-1 with A6M5 Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 5000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 5000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Babar at 76,117

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 13
SBD-3 Dauntless x 12

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAP Teifu Maru, Bomb hits 1
E Ishizaki
BB Haruna
AK Hokuroku Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Babar at 76,117

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 5

Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 3 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
LSD Akitsu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Seattle Maru
xAK Kuretake Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAP Kamo Maru
xAK Tsukuba Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing and strafing from low level
Naval Attack: 6 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

Carrier support unable to supply air cover..
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Ground combat at Babar (76,117)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4856 troops, 103 guns, 40 vehicles, Assault Value = 154

Defending force 7136 troops, 136 guns, 41 vehicles, Assault Value = 208

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Assaulting units:
40th Infantry/A Division
10th Marine Defense Battalion
2nd Air Advn Base Force
811th Aviation Engineer Battalion
42nd US Naval Construction Battalion

Defending units:
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11th RF Gun Battalion




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Four expandable Thai divisions ...

You may wish you could expand them, but they're probably expendable.


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Apparently fed-up with the slow slogging through the jungles around Buna, Salamaua and Wau, Ed has launched an "end-around" and captured lightly defended Hansa Bay. I was expecting this, but since I have made the decision not to invest any sizeable naval and air forces in this area, Ed enjoys absolute air superiority and can go wherever he wants, while I cannot redeploy anything anymore. There is one division at Rabaul, a division-sized assortment of Naval infantry at Kavieng and on Manus, and three divisions in the Salamaua/Lae/Wau/Nazdab area, which are now cut-off. The string of bases on the PNG North coast have token garrisons, the next "hard point" is Hollandia with four Naval Guard units. It is also a staging point for a lot of construction units and base forces which I try to evacuate by air and sea. However, Allied DDs are ranging up and down the coast and most of the small xAKLs sent down there are being sunk. Behind Hollandia, there is almost nothing up to the China coast, except some base forces as stepping stones for aircraft transfers and to build forts - in the hope of having enough time to rush infantry still in the reinforcement pipeline into place...




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Central Pac: Kusaie lost after token resistance despite level-5 forts, Next victim seems to be Ponape which is being bombed and bombarded. Only a speed-bump of four naval guard units with 230 AV in place behind level-5 forts. Jaluit and Majuro still fly the rising sun banner, but serve as training grounds for enemy bombers. Only the "inherent" base forces left in place, the rest has been airlifted to Truk. 350 AV at Truk behinf level 6 forts. On the Marianas, frantic digging and lots of AA in place, but only a brigade of infantry each on Saipan and on Tinian. The missing two/thirds plus the full division for Guam still at Port Arthur awaiting PPs to purchase. There must be a PP hole somewhere...

North Pac: Calm, although a small enemy SAG has been observed on a short raiding incursion. Defensive preparations continue, with a division each on Paramushiro and Onnekotan-jima and smaller forces on the other islands. Waiting for PPs to move more units from Home Islands to the islands - once the Marianans have been garrisoned.

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I have way more tankers than fuel/oil to ship home - something seems wrong here. Construction of tankers and merchant ships largely halted except xAKLs as cannon fodder in foward areas. Supply is always tight.Ample pools of Jack-3, George-1 and Frank-A, since with PDU off only a handful of groups are allowed to use them. George-2 will be available in a week. Pools for Tojos, Oscars and Zeros remain tight due to losses. About half of the IJA and IJN fighter squadrons are training since they are stuck with older Zero and Oscar models no longer dit for frontline duty. "Production" of air skill/def skill 70/70 fighter pilots just keeps pace with losses. I have started to train fighter pilots in low-naval skills, the Oscar-IV with 2x250kg bombs is a potent strike aircraft and of little use in other roles anymore...





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Status: offline 		Can't you change your bombing altitude to 2,000 feet? You will probably see higher air losses, but you should start disabling the Chinese LCUs faster this way.

Also, how come the Chinese have 500 guns? It seems their corps retained the starting compliments of mortars and 75mm guns. Not good.

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Can't you change your bombing altitude to 2,000 feet? You will probably see higher air losses, but you should start disabling the Chinese LCUs faster this way.

Also, how come the Chinese have 500 guns? It seems their corps retained the starting compliments of mortars and 75mm guns. Not good.


I have not been able to surround large numbers of Chinese units prior to their retreat to Chungking. The arty and AA units may also add a few tubes:

18th Artillery Regiment
4th Heavy Mortar Regiment
41st AA Regiment
49th AA Regiment

I'm hesitant to set my bombers to 2k. Sallies and early Sonias are not armored and sending them low into light AA is not a good idea IMO. First of all, I'm pretty loss averse and second, I have kept bomber production pretty low and more losses would be difficult to replace.

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One more thing. Try to fly an air raid consisting only of 2Es carrying 250kg bombs (Sally, Nell etc). Checking your combat reports I can see they average mores disabled squads with fewer aircraft bombing compared to Lilys and Sonias. Put them at 2000 feet. The fort level of Chungking must by nullifying the effect of 50 and 100kg bombs.



Yaab makes a good point, in my opinion. I think that 50 and 100 Kg bombs are wasted on target with good fortification. While you may not want to bomb at 2K every day to mitigate losses, why not bomb at 2K for several days before an attack with as many squadrons as possible, mixing various aircraft type, and flying at 2k. The reason is because you want the strikes to come in separately, and you want every unit with a single AA machine gun firing at those bombers. Why? Because as I understand it, units use supply for each time they fire in any combat round. Devices do not use supply, units do. Therefore, if a Chinese Corps fires 2 AA MGs at your bombers, the entire corps uses supply (shooting off their rifles, I suppose). Each time a unit fires in this way, its supply usage increases by 10% to a maximum of 100%. So 10 different bombing raids, provoking 10 different AA attacks, doubles the supply usage of every unit with a functioning AA MG.

If this causes the units in the hex to use 500 supply (which is, I believe, the amount that appears magically in Chunkking every day) before the ground combat phase, they will have 0 supply, because the supply generation phase (when the industry produces supply and it is then transferred from the base to the units in the hex) occurs after the ground combat phase... correct?

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Long time no see. Was too depressed by the repeated Chungking disasters to care about updating the AAR. Game has reached Oct 25th. In the 7 game weeks since the last update I have made another try at Chungking în early October after rebuilding the shattered Eng units and swapping depleted divisions for fresh ones. This time I have attacked without overstacking, but got the same lopsided results - 16k casualties vs 4k and 250+ squads destroyed vs. 30+. Forts got reduced to 4, some small consolation. However, I have not come that far to give up. I’m rebuilding again, and I have ordered several divisions from the “Second Front” at Changsha to move to Chungking. I’ll take that §$%§& city or will die trying.



Reducing forts will see huge improvements to your attacks. It feels like a lot to lose, but you have to keep in mind that when you take the city you get ALL of those troops and their VPs. The overall totals will not disappoint. If you reduce forts every time, take a good few weeks between attacks so that troops really recover, or rotate fresh ones in, you'll get it.

In addition, any shattered IJA divisions are cheap to buy out later for the Marianas and Jimas.

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Yaab makes a good point, in my opinion. I think that 50 and 100 Kg bombs are wasted on target with good fortification.


I do use the Sonias with the 50kg only for airfield attacks in order to prevent fort construction. I don't like this part of the game mechanics, it would be better to be able to stop repairs on airfields and ports when it doesn't make sense to repair them, while being able to attack forts as part of ground attack missions, slowing-down construction or even lowering fort levels. But well, it is what it is.

I'm hesitant to add the Lilys to airfield attacks at Chungking, the Sonias seem to keep it damaged well enough and the Lilys would be wasted beyond 100% damage.

Furthermore, it seems the Lilys are not doing too badly in ground attacks:

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

108 X 100kg bombs at 6k > 4 squads disabled

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

104 x x 250kg bombs at 6k > 5 squads disabled

The Lily dive-bomber carries half the bomb load of the level bomber version, but the higher accuracy gives comparable results.

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 9
Ki-48-IIb Lily x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-IIb Lily: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

46 x 100kg bombs > 4 squads disabled

I know, one example is statistically insignificant, but I don't see much difference between Lilys, Sallys and Helens - neither is doing great...


I have gotten myself in a quandary at Babar. I cannot allow Ed to keep that base, but I cannot allow myself to engage a battle of attrition either - but it is exactly what I am facing now.

I keep losing ships to mines at that base, two DDs from a bombardment TF heavily damaged the latest (Oct 29th 1943) turn and most likely goners before reaching port, if the subs don't get them first. Plus, the bombardments were ineffective because I forgot to assign night recon... My sweepers got sunk or damaged by subs and coastal arty. I have made the mistake to squander the few irreplaceable DMS the Japanese have, either losing them or allowing them to upgrade to escorts "by accident". The coastal minesweeper mission does not accept adding escorts, and with their slow speed they are easy prey for the dozens of subs in the area. Of course I do have dedicated ASW TFs and lots or LBA on ASW, and they have damaged a couple of subs and the "sunk ships list" claims four sub sinkings within the last 10 days (one may actually be true), but there are simply too many of them - I could walk from Ambon to Babar on their periscopes! Only a question of time before a capital ship is being sunk - in the last few turns I suffered a BB and a CA damaged by single sub torps. Btw, the Babar invasion amphib TF has made it back to Ambon, there is one undamaged AP left and half a dozen crippled AKs and LSDs will have to head for the yards. Will resort to destroyers running FT missions while converting some Yusen N to xAk-t.

In the air it is no fun either. Allied 4Es are now pounding my ground force at Babar, but that base is too far away from my operational airfields for effective land-based LRCAP. I cannot keep my carriers on station off Babar all the time, the carrier air groups need replacements, but with the limitation of 12 replacement planes per week strength is eroding - and A6M5c pools are running thin, despite 280 planes/month production. The 5c model is outclassed by the Corsairs, Lightnings and T-Bolts it is facing. With PDU off, I have only one LBA fighter group that is allowed to fly the George at the moment. The A6M8 R&D is currently at 4/44 and 76% with nine R&D factories, I should get it by the end of the year and with it a boost in production numbers. Don't think I should spend the supplies to switch R&D to Sams when the A6M8 is ready, the game may not last long enough to get Sams and with PDU off only a few LBA air groups will benefit from that airframe - I expect to have lost my carriers by then but not having the PPs to purchase back their air groups.

It looks like Babar will become my Guadalcanal - maybe even my Midway if Ed decides to throw-in his growing naval assets to get a foothold in the SRA. Woe is me!

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I know, one example is statistically insignificant, but I don't see much difference between Lilys, Sallys and Helens - neither is doing great...



If you look at each bomb dropped as a separate test you have 3 populations of 104, 108 and 46 tests of 3 different combinations of bombs and delivery planes. This isn't as statistically insignificant.

Especially if they all bombed under the same conditions.

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It looks like Babar will become my Guadalcanal ...


Exactly what I was thinking while reading your post -- even down to your version of the "Tokyo Express" with FT destroyer runs. The similarities are chilling. You do have a big advantage in that the historical Guadalcanal was after the terrible defeat at Midway; in contrast you have suffered some attrition but nothing on the scale of Midway. On the other hand, this is also much later in the war and the Allied side has a stronger OOB as compared to the historical Guadalcanal campaign. I would think you still have the advantage at Babar of a shorter logistical path but admittedly it looks like a tough challenge for both sides.

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The turn before, Ed must have observed KB camping at Damar to cover a FT run. This turn he has sent massive sweeps to Damar in order to weaken KB's CAP, followed by land-based dive bombers, torpedo bombers and skip-bombers on naval attack. Excellent tactics, although the bomber escort was relatively weak due to the massive sweep effort.

However, this turn KB wasn't at Damar anymore, so the sweeps found only some leaky CAP over Damar, while his bombers went for KB with their weak escort.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 17, 43
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Babar at 76,117, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Hiei
BB Ise
CA Takao
CA Atago
CA Myoko
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CA Kumano
CL Oyodo
CL Agano
DD Isokaze
DD Shiranui
DD Amatsukaze
DD Urakaze
DD Nowaki
DD Arashi
DD Hagikaze
DD Samidare
DD Fumizuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Mikazuki
DD Harukaze
DD Hayate
DD Yukaze
E Fuyo
E Mikura
E Tomozuru
AM Wa 105, Shell hits 2
AM Wa 106
AM Wa 107
PB Keiko Maru
PB Yamahagi Maru #3
PB Kinsyo Maru #4
PB Nako Maru #2
xAK Toho Maru
xAK Syoka Maru
xAK Ikushima Maru
xAK Kasuga Maru #2
xAK Iburi Maru
xAK Terushima Maru
xAK Kanko Maru
xAK Rakuto Maru
xAK Akasisan Maru
xAK Kokai Maru
xAK Hino Maru #3
xAK Osaka Maru
xAK Seian Maru
xAK Hankow Maru
xAK Sydney Maru #2
xAK Yamagata Maru
xAK Eihuku Maru
E Yurijima, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
PT-132, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-188
PT-299
PT-321
PT-325
PT-364, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT-367, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PT-373, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Improved night sighting under 71% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 71% moonlight: 8,000 yards
Range closes to 28,000 yards...
Range closes to 26,000 yards...
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
Range closes to 22,000 yards...
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Range closes to 16,000 yards...
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 12,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 8,000 yards
Dissinger, G.P. gains tactical advantage
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru , xAK Seian Maru , xAK Osaka Maru ,
xAK Hino Maru #3 , xAK Kokai Maru , xAK Akasisan Maru ,
xAK Rakuto Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Terushima Maru ,
xAK Iburi Maru , xAK Kasuga Maru #2 , xAK Ikushima Maru ,
xAK Syoka Maru , xAK Toho Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Hayate , DD Mikazuki , DD Fumizuki ,
DD Samidare , DD Nowaki , DD Urakaze ,
DD Amatsukaze , DD Isokaze , E Nuwashima ,
E Takashima , E Ukishima , E Shirakami
BB Haruna engages PT-373 at 8,000 yards
CA Myoko engages PT-373 at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Hayate , E Tomozuru
PT-299 engages E Yurijima at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
DD Nowaki collides with PB Nagato Maru at 76 , 117
xAP Kamo Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Isokaze
PT-364 engages xAK Rakuto Maru at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Arashi collides with PB Nagato Maru at 76 , 117
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru , xAK Seian Maru , xAK Osaka Maru ,
xAK Hino Maru #3 , xAK Kokai Maru , xAK Akasisan Maru ,
xAK Rakuto Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Terushima Maru ,
xAK Iburi Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Mikazuki , DD Arashi , DD Shiranui ,
DD Isokaze , E Aotaka , E Takashima ,
E Ishizaki , E Mikura
PT-373 engages CA Mikuma at 2,000 yards
PT-373 sunk by BB Hiei at 2,000 yards
PT-364 engages E Yurijima at 2,000 yards
CA Kumano engages PT-325 at 2,000 yards
BB Ise collides with PB Nagato Maru at 76 , 117
DD Amatsukaze collides with PB Nagato Maru at 76 , 117
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru , xAK Seian Maru , xAK Osaka Maru ,
xAK Hino Maru #3 , xAK Kokai Maru , xAK Akasisan Maru ,
xAK Rakuto Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Terushima Maru ,
xAK Iburi Maru , xAK Kasuga Maru #2 , xAK Ikushima Maru ,
xAK Syoka Maru , xAK Toho Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Yukaze , DD Harukaze , DD Mikazuki ,
DD Fumizuki , DD Arashi , DD Nowaki ,
DD Amatsukaze , DD Shiranui , DD Isokaze ,
E Aotaka , E Nuwashima , E Yurijima ,
E Takashima , E Shirakami , E Mikura
E Ukishima engages PT-367 at 2,000 yards
CA Mogami engages PT-367 at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru , xAK Seian Maru , xAK Osaka Maru ,
xAK Hino Maru #3 , xAK Kokai Maru , xAK Akasisan Maru ,
xAK Rakuto Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Terushima Maru ,
xAK Iburi Maru , xAK Kasuga Maru #2 , xAK Ikushima Maru ,
xAK Syoka Maru , xAK Toho Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Yukaze , DD Hayate , DD Mikazuki ,
DD Fumizuki , DD Hagikaze , DD Arashi ,
DD Urakaze , DD Amatsukaze , DD Shiranui ,
DD Isokaze , E Nuwashima , E Yurijima ,
E Takashima , E Ukishima , E Tomozuru ,
E Fuyo
PT-367 sunk by BB Ise at 3,000 yards
PB Nagato Maru engages PT-321 at 3,000 yards
PT-132 sunk by BB Ise at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru , xAK Seian Maru , xAK Osaka Maru ,
xAK Hino Maru #3 , xAK Kokai Maru , xAK Akasisan Maru ,
xAK Rakuto Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Terushima Maru ,
xAK Iburi Maru , xAK Kasuga Maru #2 , xAK Ikushima Maru ,
xAK Syoka Maru , xAK Toho Maru screened from combat
PT-364 sunk by BB Hiei at 2,000 yards
PT-299 engages E Mikura at 2,000 yards
CA Mikuma engages PT-188 at 2,000 yards
xAK Aso Maru collides with E Fuyo at 76 , 117
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru , xAK Seian Maru , xAK Osaka Maru ,
xAK Hino Maru #3 , xAK Kokai Maru , xAK Akasisan Maru ,
xAK Rakuto Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Terushima Maru ,
xAK Iburi Maru , xAK Kasuga Maru #2 , xAK Ikushima Maru ,
xAK Syoka Maru , xAK Toho Maru screened from combat
- escorted by CL Oyodo , DD Yukaze , DD Mikazuki ,
DD Hagikaze , DD Arashi , DD Nowaki ,
DD Urakaze , DD Amatsukaze , E Shirakami ,
E Tomozuru , E Mikura
PT-325 engages AM Wa 105 at 2,000 yards
BB Haruna engages PT-325 at 2,000 yards
CA Kumano engages PT-325 at 2,000 yards
PT-325 engages E Ishizaki at 2,000 yards
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru , xAK Seian Maru , xAK Osaka Maru ,
xAK Hino Maru #3 , xAK Kokai Maru , xAK Akasisan Maru ,
xAK Rakuto Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Terushima Maru ,
xAK Iburi Maru , xAK Kasuga Maru #2 , xAK Ikushima Maru ,
xAK Syoka Maru , xAK Toho Maru screened from combat
- escorted by CL Agano , DD Mikazuki , DD Nagatsuki ,
DD Samidare , DD Hagikaze , DD Arashi ,
DD Nowaki , DD Isokaze , E Yurijima ,
E Takashima , E Ishizaki , E Ukishima ,
E Shirakami , E Tomozuru
BB Hiei engages PT-325 at 2,000 yards
AM Wa 106 engages PT-299 at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru , xAK Seian Maru , xAK Osaka Maru ,
xAK Hino Maru #3 , xAK Kokai Maru , xAK Akasisan Maru ,
xAK Rakuto Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Terushima Maru ,
xAK Iburi Maru , xAK Kasuga Maru #2 , xAK Ikushima Maru ,
xAK Syoka Maru , xAK Toho Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Harukaze , DD Nagatsuki , DD Fumizuki ,
DD Arashi , DD Urakaze , DD Shiranui ,
DD Isokaze , E Aotaka , E Nuwashima ,
E Ukishima , E Tomozuru
PB Nagato Maru engages PT-321 at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
xAK Tsushima Maru collides with E Fuyo at 76 , 117
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru screened from combat
- escorted by E Mikura
PB Nagato Maru engages PT-325 at 3,000 yards
PT-325 engages PB Nagato Maru at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru , xAK Seian Maru , xAK Osaka Maru ,
xAK Hino Maru #3 , xAK Kokai Maru , xAK Akasisan Maru ,
xAK Rakuto Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Terushima Maru ,
xAK Iburi Maru , xAK Kasuga Maru #2 , xAK Ikushima Maru ,
xAK Syoka Maru , xAK Toho Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Hayate , DD Fumizuki , DD Samidare ,
DD Arashi , DD Urakaze , DD Shiranui ,
E Nuwashima , E Yurijima , E Takashima ,
E Shirakami , E Fuyo
BB Ise engages PT-325 at 2,000 yards
PT-299 engages AM Wa 105 at 2,000 yards
PB Nagato Maru engages PT-325 at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru , xAK Seian Maru , xAK Osaka Maru ,
xAK Hino Maru #3 , xAK Kokai Maru , xAK Akasisan Maru ,
xAK Rakuto Maru , xAK Kanko Maru , xAK Terushima Maru ,
xAK Iburi Maru , xAK Kasuga Maru #2 , xAK Ikushima Maru ,
xAK Syoka Maru , xAK Toho Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Yukaze , DD Hayate , DD Harukaze ,
DD Mikazuki , DD Nagatsuki , DD Fumizuki ,
DD Arashi , DD Urakaze , DD Amatsukaze ,
DD Isokaze , E Aotaka , E Ishizaki ,
E Mikura
Range increases to 6,000 yards
CA Kumano collides with PB Nagato Maru at 76 , 117
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru screened from combat
- escorted by DD Yukaze , DD Nowaki , DD Urakaze ,
E Nuwashima , E Takashima
PT-321 engages xAK Rakuto Maru at 6,000 yards
BB Haruna engages PT-325 at 6,000 yards
DD Fumizuki engages PT-325 at 6,000 yards
Dissinger, G.P. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range increases to 11,000 yards
CA Myoko collides with PB Nagato Maru at 76 , 117
xAP Kamo Maru , xAK Tsushima Maru , xAK Yamaoka Maru ,
xAK Kinmon Maru , xAK Aso Maru , xAK Amagi Maru ,
xAK Maya Maru , xAK Mikasa Maru , xAK Tamashima Maru ,
xAK Eihuku Maru , xAK Yamagata Maru , xAK Sydney Maru #2 ,
xAK Hankow Maru screened from combat
BB Ise engages PT-325 at 11,000 yards
E Fuyo engages PT-325 at 11,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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RE: Duel of the tankers - IdahoNYer vs. LST (J AAR): Re... - 4/28/2018 3:51:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		As soon as I saw the huge list of ships in your TF, I was going to ask if you were worried about collisions. Then I read the news in the combat report that followed. Ouch!! May I guess the fate of the captain of PB Nagato Maru?

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