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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/4/2018 2:11:11 PM   
John 3rd


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Pearl Harbor

The Japanese aerial assault comes from nearly due east this day. Four CV and 2 CVLs turn into the wind and launch a combined strike of 100 Zero, 102 Val, and 132 Kate. Some warning occurs as 7 American fighters are in the air when the attack occurs. They are brushed aside. For this strike, five of six Japanese Kate units carry torpedoes! With the exception of SIX Japanese TT duds (!), the attack causes great havoc among the American Fleet.

Results:

Battleship Row
Arizona--4 TTs--Heavy Damage
Nevada--6 Bombs and 6 TTs--Sinking Condition
Oklahoma--1 800 Kg, 4 Bombs, and 1 TT
Idaho--12 bombs and 1 TT--Fire, Heavy Damage
Mississippi--1 800 Kg, 3 Bombs, 4 TTs--Fire, Heavy Damage
New Mexico--9 Bombs and 3 TTs--Fire Heavy Damage
California--1 800 Kg, 7 Bombs, and 3 TTs--Fire
Tennessee--1 800 Kg, 7 Bombs, 3 TTs--Fire, Heavy Damage
Washington--1 800 Kg, 4 Bombs, and 6 TTs--SUNK!

Cruisers
New Orleans--1 Bomb
Minneapolis--1 B and 1 TT--On Fire
San Francisco--1TT
St Louis--1 B and 2 TT--Magazine Explosion!--Sinking Condition

Other Ships
DM Pruitt--Sunk, AVD, CM, DD, AV, and 2 SS all hit.

Would love to see Nevada sink. Looks like nearly everyone will be out 6-12 months. The USS Washington was the newest BB in the Fleet. She was an additional Colorado-Class BB authorized under the Washington Treaty.


The CVs will move south a few hexes and one CARDIV will launch a sweep of PH tomorrow. Should see 60+ Zeros eat up some serious Allied Fighters.

Am mulling over the cost--benefit of launching a Kate attack on the 9th. Opinions?

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/4/2018 2:37:10 PM   
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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/4/2018 3:06:44 PM   
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Manila Bay

We all know that this actually occurs on Dec 8th but that is besides the point.

Air/Sea
The Japanese morning strikes are delayed due to fog over Formosa but still come in prior to the Port Attack at Manila Bay:

1. Clark Field is nailed by two strikes with a combined 81 Zero and 81 Bombers. These strikes encounter just a few American Fighters in the air.
2. Iba is hit twice as well. The first attack of 9 Zero and 27 Betty find a dozen P-40s in the air. The Zeros hold off the enemy pretty well but the second strike comes in without escort and the 27 Nells are badly shot-up. The Japanese lose 14 planes here and that SUCKS!
3. Manila AF gets 9 Zero and 27 Betty doing solid work.

The Main Event is the Port Strike by CARDIV2. Hiryu--Soryu and the two CAVs paunch 55 Zero, 45 Val, and 59 Kate at the shipping located in the bay. Results are pretty fair:

S-41 and 2 AP are sunk. 3 S-Boats and 7 SS are hit with 1-2 bombs each. Additionally an AM, 3 PG, an AO, AS, TK and 2 PT are hit as well.

Ground
Batan Isle falls. There are no invasion in the Philippines this day.

Paratroopers from Peleliu capture Cotabato. The Tinas shift to bringing in a Base Force. Nine Zero and 12 Vals move onto the Sz-2 AF.

Plans
CARDIV2 moves due south with Vals and Kates set for anti-shipping. I shall rotate one flattop a day to carry TTs with the others carrying bombs on their Kates. This will lengthen my staying power with the Torps.

Several STF move in to hit the Thundering Herd as it flees.

There are 6-8 SS set to attack shipping. Three SS ML drop off their eggs to form a line from the NE tip of Borneo east three hexes.

Begin loading troops for the Luzon Landings.


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/4/2018 3:14:33 PM   
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Manila Bay

We all know that this actually occurs on Dec 8th but that is besides the point.

...



Lets just imagine that the developers have moved the International Date Line in Europe.

If that was in real life they would occur in the same day.

OT: Does that mean that AE is off by a day for most of the map?

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/4/2018 3:17:23 PM   
John 3rd


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Malaya

Air
Georgetown is swept by 82 Nates who plaster the 12 Allied Fighters flying CAP. Several strikes equaling 82 Bombers crush the AF and planes there.

Alor Star gets 24 Oscars and 21 Sally.

Kota Bharu has several attacks totaling 12 Fighters and 53 Bombers.

The skies over Kuantan have 30 Japanese Fighters and they easily hold off several half-hearted Allied attacks upon the Invasion Forces during the afternoon.

In an extra bonus, a convoy is found moving north up the west coast of Malaya. A Daitai of 27 Betty leave Saigon carrying TTs and hit CL Dauntless, an AK, and sink an AP.

Ground
Kuantan is landed upon, as planned, by the 55th ID and six support units. They look great so we'll shock attack tomorrow and take the base.

Plans
Take Kuantan on the 8th.

Move the two Amphib TFs away from Kuantan since they are nearly unloaded. Keep the 4th ID's TF and the 3 BB TF there in case the Allies do something frisky. The 3 CVLs will be close enough to provide LRCAP--adding to that from Patani--and smack any SS in the area.


This is the only area that I am nervous about. If Kitakami is bold he could really threaten the Japanese plans is he can disrupt the 4th IDs TF.


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/4/2018 3:20:40 PM   
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We'll land at Guam and Brunei/Miri tomorrow.

Lots of movement in China. He is in full-fledged retreat. Will allow this in some locations so I can cheaply gain some bases. It will take him a few days to see what my initial objectives are.

SS Operations
Ro-63 scores first blood for Japan's sub force. She is near Tarakan and spots CL Marblehead's TF. A single TT SINKS DD Bulmer. NICE!


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/4/2018 3:21:29 PM   
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Thoughts? Would anyone care to opine?


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/4/2018 3:22:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tarkalak

quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

December 7, 1941
Manila Bay

We all know that this actually occurs on Dec 8th but that is besides the point.

...



Lets just imagine that the developers have moved the International Date Line in Europe.

If that was in real life they would occur in the same day.

OT: Does that mean that AE is off by a day for most of the map?


YEP!

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/4/2018 4:40:00 PM   
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You have a history of being aggressive, and there are plenty of traps an aggressive Allied player could spring on you or the ships could flee in an attempt at avoiding losses due to a Pearl Invasion.

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/4/2018 11:02:34 PM   
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Be careful around Pearl....anything could happen.

You have a history of being aggressive, and there are plenty of traps an aggressive Allied player could spring on you or the ships could flee in an attempt at avoiding losses due to a Pearl Invasion.


Indeed. Are you up for the long haul if your carriers are savaged. Do you have your oilers tucked away in a safe, safe place.

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/5/2018 2:11:11 AM   
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That is the first day gang.

Thoughts? Would anyone care to opine?



A good first day with slightly better than average results. But the Allies can lose all of those old BBs and still be OK. Not great, but OK. The next four weeks will tell us more.

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/5/2018 12:51:17 PM   
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Jorge is working on his Turn TWO (which is an Allied nightmare just as bad as Japan's Turn One!) and should have it back to me today.

Based on how it goes will be my decision as to hitting PH again.

Yep--I am aggressive. It has served me well and it has served me poorly over the last 12 years. We've cast the dice, let us see what happens now.


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/5/2018 8:36:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

That is the first day gang.

Thoughts? Would anyone care to opine?



For Hawaii, on day 2 as Japan I'd hit them again, Harder! (A favorite line I recall from the USS Harder) I also remember reading that the commanding officer of the Japanese Pearl Harbor strike often regretted not hitting PH again and really putting the hurt to the Americans when he had the opportunity.

In regards to this mod - if I understand earlier comments you made of this mod, you and Michael chopped the allies down quite a bit so they have to build up over the early part of the war. So my guess is that Jorge will have to really push to get more fuel and supply transports heading out right away. Where are the biggest needs for the allies and are you planning to flood those areas with subs?

You might also consider flooding India choke points with subs early in the war to try and slow down any defensive preparations.

On another subject - I think you said you and Micheal have been adding more changes/corrections to the BTS and BTSL mods? When will that update come out?


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/6/2018 4:34:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think we are done right now. If I can get a chance to talk with him tomorrow (and install Tracker with his help) then I should be able to package the Mods into new Zip Folders and upload them to the website. Won't be long.


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/6/2018 4:35:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		On a far different topic...

HOLY COW! We just watched Avengers: Infinity War. Damn. It was something. Anyone want to toss out their thoughts on that massive film?


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/6/2018 2:23:28 PM   
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Have to say that I was amazed at how Marvel could bring all these super-sized egos...I mean actors...and make it work! Excellent film with great HOLY COW ending.

Kitakami is taking FOREVER to get Turn Two done. Always kid people that the only thing worse then Turn ONE for Japan is Turn TWO for the Allies. Talk about 'click' fatigue!


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/6/2018 7:43:16 PM   
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Kitakami is taking FOREVER to get Turn Two done. Always kid people that the only thing worse then Turn ONE for Japan is Turn TWO for the Allies. Talk about 'click' fatigue!



It's the famed "Death by a thousand clicks" Plus not being familiar with the mod surely requires a lot more time than normal, in order to plan and get to know the OOB.

I will be following both sides (I just can't resist a double AAR, it's so entertaining). Good luck

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/7/2018 12:36:46 AM   
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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/7/2018 2:38:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting position for KB. I have always seen it NNW of PH. I do not offer suggestions in AAR's, as I read both. In this case I have not seen his post-strike. I will mention that in this mod supply is critical for the allies early war. Perhaps more than some realize. I understand you are not coming west, but you could starve Hawaii in the next 6 months if you wanted. I know this first hand to my chagrin

I'll now go back to skulking in my corner

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/7/2018 11:50:31 PM   
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Interesting position for KB. I have always seen it NNW of PH. I do not offer suggestions in AAR's, as I read both. In this case I have not seen his post-strike. I will mention that in this mod supply is critical for the allies early war. Perhaps more than some realize. I understand you are not coming west, but you could starve Hawaii in the next 6 months if you wanted. I know this first hand to my chagrin

I'll now go back to skulking in my corner


You have hit a possible nail on the head Lecivius. I have enough fuel in my AOs to stay positioned for several weeks. Have an idea that I used against Michael where the KB 'left' but, it did not. Turned off the Searches and sat for 4-5 days then eased back into the shipping lanes and caught USS Saratoga and SANK her. Very nice and very devious...


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/8/2018 1:12:38 AM   
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We may get a glimpse of my opponent's style with Turn TWO.


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/8/2018 3:28:03 AM   
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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/9/2018 3:21:08 PM   
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Sub OPs

Got the turn in yesterday and sent it back to Jorge without issue.

Pretty good Turn Two.

We'll start in the area of Submarine Operations. We had one heck of a good first day for Japan's Sub Arm:

I-166 SINKS AP Kedah with 1 Shell/1 TT near Palembang
I-159 SINKS AS Janssens with 2TT near Merak
I-121 SINKS AP Hong Siang with 2 TT near TJB
Ro-33 SINKS AKL Fortuna with 2 Shells and 2 TT near San Jose
I-155 hits AKL Lematang with 10 Shells near Oosthaven
I-6 SINKS AP Poelauhaut with 2TT near San Luis Obispo
I-122 hits AK Wing Song with 1 TT near TJB
I-160 SINKS AKL Chaksong with 2 TT AND SINKS AK Chilka with 2 TT
I-126 SINKS AP Kelantan with 3 TT and hits AK Demosthenes with 3 Shells near Singapore
I-153 SINKS TK Djirak with 3 TT near Bandjermasin

Total Allied losses for one day: 4 AP, 1 AS, 1 AK, 1 TK, 2AKL with damage done to 2 more AKs and an AKL.


Allied Subs hit AP Meiji Maru with 2 TT

Very promising start to the Japanese SS Arm.

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/9/2018 3:31:05 PM   
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Hawaii

The Kido Butai has a solid day as well. Japan's Striking Force hits PH with a Sweep and get hit back by 4EB from Pearl.

SWEEP
69 Zeros flying at 15,000Ft engage 44 American Fighters over PH. Japan loses 2 Zero in exchange for nearly 20 Fighters. NICE!

American B-17 Attack
Groups of 18 and 6 B-17s attack the carriers. They are met 53 Zeros on CAP--15,000 Ft. WE get excellent results with 2 B-17 down in ATA and 3 more destroyed by AA. Love to see Fortresses FALL! No damage taken by the carriers.


Plans
OK. I concur that a second strike (with Japan having less experienced pilots in this Mod) might be worth the risk. Move the CVs NW so they end up seven hexes due north of PH. All Kates ordered to attack at 11,000 Ft and CAP is set for 15,000 Ft again. Set for 40% so there should be plenty of Escorts. Morale with the American pilots is bad so I expect the Kates to get through fairly easily. AA will SUCK. Predict losing 20+ Kates out of 100 committed. Vals are set for anti-shipping attacks.

After this attack, the Kido Butai will move off so it cannot be spotted and refuel. WE will then go quiet and try to ambush anything moving between the WC and Hawaii.



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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/9/2018 3:34:01 PM   
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Surface TF Actions

The seas around the DEI are filled with Japanese STF prowling around for helpless Allied shipping.

STF--Chokai This group of 2 CA and 4 DD get lots of action sinking 3 AKL, 1 AK, and AO Pecos

The 4 BC sink AS Holland

Next turn will see six separate STF attacking shipping around the Philippines and east of Borneo.

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/9/2018 3:41:36 PM   
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Philippines and Malaya

Philippines
Two ID, 65th Brigade, and about a dozen other units begin loading at Formosa and Pescadores for taking Luzon.

Manila is hit by 88 Zero and 85 Bombers. Results are crappy with hits scored on 2 SS and a PG. A group of 17 P-40 fly CAP and get crushed.

Iba sees for the second day in a row a Japanese Daitai get mauled by 18 P-40s. Lose nine bombers and that sucks!

Malaya
Kuantan is taken in a 7-1 assault. The AF is undamaged so I fly in 100 Fighters immediately.

Mersing will be invaded tomorrow by the 4th ID. I kept that TF and the BB TF at Kuantan and now order them to invade that base. The 3 CVLs will be providing direct CAP as well as from Kuantan.

Malacca will get the attentions of Japanese Paras tomorrow and that SHOULD stop any form of retreat down the peninsula. Only need the hex contested for 2 or more days before my troops cross from Mersing. If we have any luck, this will make the job MUCH EASIER taking Singers and the troops in the peninsula.

Begin loading of 3 IDs and about 15 support units are Samah to head for Malaya.


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/9/2018 3:43:21 PM   
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Land at Miri and Guam. Will take them tomorrow.

Have started tinkering with the economy and aircraft production. I plan to discuss these moves with readers so newer players may gain some serious insight into running the Japanese economy.



OK. That is the second turn. Sound off!


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/9/2018 4:51:21 PM   
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Land at Miri and Guam. Will take them tomorrow.

Have started tinkering with the economy and aircraft production. I plan to discuss these moves with readers so newer players may gain some serious insight into ruining the Japanese economy.



OK. That is the second turn. Sound off!



I fixed that for you.

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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/10/2018 10:23:30 PM   
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Am leaving to go visit my Mother this weekend so there will be no action Fri-Mon due to that.

Will Post when the turn is run...


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RE: Typhoon of Steel: John 3rd vs. Kitakami - 5/10/2018 11:53:23 PM   
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No takers? I see...

Have to say that I was amazed at how Marvel could bring all these super-sized egos...I mean actors...and make it work! Excellent film with great HOLY COW ending.

Kitakami is taking FOREVER to get Turn Two done. Always kid people that the only thing worse then Turn ONE for Japan is Turn TWO for the Allies. Talk about 'click' fatigue!



I am sure it is good and entertaining but I have lost my desire to see big budget special effects blasts. I really think that it has taken a lot out of film making and there is an over reliance on digital effects these days. Even in war films. I have sort of turned to watching more indie stuff and old classics.



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