Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: ElvisDaKing

...My point is that the Jill is going to slow down all my strike force and give more opportunities and more time for the USN fighters to shotdown my planes...

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: ElvisDaKing

...My point is that the Jill is going to slow down all my strike force and give more opportunities and more time for the USN fighters to shotdown my planes...

Not correct.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

It depends on what damage the bomb does.

Assuming they actually deal typical damage (sometimes hits deal minimal damage), torpedoes seem to me to be more likely to sink a CV in 3 hits or so.

Bomb hits, even 800kg ones, can sometimes not cause much damage either, and overall they are less likely to cause flooding. If a bomb hit doesn't start a big fire, you're not going to sink a USN CV with 3x 800kg bomb hits.

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ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus

Am I wrong or bombs are actually more devastating than torpedo against CV in mid late game due to:
A) more hits
B) 800Kg ones are huge
C) CVs go down because of fire and various internal explosions that are actually easier to get its bombs
D) they trash flying decks differently from torped hits

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I mean, we all know that Vals are rubbish and torpedo are much better than those 250Kg bombs but when you start getting 500 and 800Kg ones I suppose they are better.

I would also like to explore whether the extremely low attack from TB actually creates more losses due to flak than the dive bombing

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ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

It depends on what damage the bomb does.

Assuming they actually deal typical damage (sometimes hits deal minimal damage), torpedoes seem to me to be more likely to sink a CV in 3 hits or so.

Bomb hits, even 800kg ones, can sometimes not cause much damage either, and overall they are less likely to cause flooding. If a bomb hit doesn't start a big fire, you're not going to sink a USN CV with 3x 800kg bomb hits.

I do agree but... Are we going to get 3 torpedo hits OR 3 bombd hits? Or it's rather 3 torpedo and 10 bombs hits?

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

It depends on what damage the bomb does.

Assuming they actually deal typical damage (sometimes hits deal minimal damage), torpedoes seem to me to be more likely to sink a CV in 3 hits or so.

Bomb hits, even 800kg ones, can sometimes not cause much damage either, and overall they are less likely to cause flooding. If a bomb hit doesn't start a big fire, you're not going to sink a USN CV with 3x 800kg bomb hits.

I do agree but... Are we going to get 3 torpedo hits OR 3 bombd hits? Or it's rather 3 torpedo and 10 bombs hits?

ITAKLinus,

You are fundamentally not understanding the game mechanics. Obtaining a hit is not dependent on the type of device.

Alfred

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800Kg ones are huge

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ORIGINAL: rustysi

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800Kg ones are huge

Historically these bombs were not used in very large numbers. In addition to that they had a rather large dud rate.

Now I don't have a magic ball into the mechanics or code of the game, but it seems to me that both these things are modeled into said game. From my experiences WRT Pearl Harbor it looks to me like the damage done by these bombs isn't high at all, in most cases. To me this can be explained, magazine explosion or some sort, lots of damage. Other times the minimal damage seems like it can only be attributed to a dud or the fact that this weapon had a rather small explosive charge WRT its weight. It was a great perpetrator, but didn't always make a big bang.

As for the dud rate, I'm pretty sure you can find this in the game data tables.

The relative rarity of the weapon seems to be reflected in the fact that the unit must have a rather high experience level to carry the thing, and must also pass a check on top of that. Now I have no idea if this includes the later Judy's that carry this weapon as I've never played that far into the game, but its true WRT other aircraft in the early game.

So until I hear of lots of these weapons taking out large numbers of Allied shipping I have my reservations about their usefulness. Personally I prefer to let water into ships with torps when I want them sunk. JMHO. YMMV.

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ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus

Am I wrong or bombs are actually more devastating than torpedo against CV in mid late game due to:
A) more hits
B) 800Kg ones are huge
C) CVs go down because of fire and various internal explosions that are actually easier to get its bombs
D) they trash flying decks differently from torped hits

?



I mean, we all know that Vals are rubbish and torpedo are much better than those 250Kg bombs but when you start getting 500 and 800Kg ones I suppose they are better.

I would also like to explore whether the extremely low attack from TB actually creates more losses due to flak than the dive bombing

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ORIGINAL: inqistor

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ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus

Am I wrong or bombs are actually more devastating than torpedo against CV in mid late game due to:
A) more hits
B) 800Kg ones are huge
C) CVs go down because of fire and various internal explosions that are actually easier to get its bombs
D) they trash flying decks differently from torped hits

?



I mean, we all know that Vals are rubbish and torpedo are much better than those 250Kg bombs but when you start getting 500 and 800Kg ones I suppose they are better.

I would also like to explore whether the extremely low attack from TB actually creates more losses due to flak than the dive bombing

Technically, Japan don't get 800kg bomb as standard load. D4Y4 is purely Kamikaze plane, and shouldn't be able to release this bomb (but it does in-game). Now, there was actually different 800kg bomb, quite widely used, but with penetration worse, than 500kg. That one is not modelled in-game.
I suspect, that you will get more hits from DB, and that will probably even close CV deck, but I doubt that will sink ship. Japanese fires can really get out of control, but US damage-control is far better. Only torpedoes will sink anything.
As for flak, I vaguely recall someone from Dev Team mentioning, that there are at least two phases for AA fire, and DB gets shots at approaching altitude first, and then at diving one, so low flying TBs will probably get higher loses, especially from all those short range MGs.