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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 3:57:18 PM   
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Shikuka: A lot of ammo expended, a lot of rattling and evading patterns, and a few hits that cause some damage.




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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 3:58:56 PM   
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Shikuka: Death of a hunter.




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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 3:59:43 PM   
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the odds of a carrier clash are pretty slim.


Oh? What makes you say that?

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 4:01:11 PM   
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Shukuka: The I-boat fires and misses, the USN DDs score some decent hits. The DDs are part of The Herd's escorts.





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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 4:05:18 PM   
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Shikuka: Nighttime patrol missions report many IJN sub icons (these are just a few of those that end up being sighted) and a fair number of ASW patrol hit reports.






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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 4:11:13 PM   
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Shikuka: Morning patrols report lots of interactions and quite a few hits.





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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 4:13:18 PM   
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Shikuka: Many sweeps target Wakkanai today. These are the first sweeps since the Siege of Shikuka began on 9/29. This target selected because it had strong but not overwhelming CAP. The Allied fighters performed pretty well.





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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 4:15:00 PM   
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Shikuka: The third large group of Corsairs to go in.




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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 4:18:02 PM   
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Shikuka: Ketoi is the only airfield-suppression target today. No opposition but Allied 4EB only achieve modest results.




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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 4:21:01 PM   
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Shikuka: Often, my P-47D25s don't seem to perform well in sweep or escort roles. But when, as here, they come in after Corsairs have tired out the enemy CAP, the results are good.





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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 4:22:30 PM   
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Shikuka: Ditto, Lightnings.




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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 4:37:38 PM   
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Air Losses: Decent day for the Allies, though I don't know which totals to believe (if either) on the Air Losses screen.




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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 4:48:01 PM   
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Shikuka: The comparative lack of success of enemy subs make this a good day. The abundance of enemy subs makes planning the next turn daunting.




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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 5:09:22 PM   
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Canoerebel:
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Shikuka: 25 hits reported, two penetrating, "heavy damage." This PF TF must be about out of ammo - the engagement lasted a long, long time.

Many of the hits reported were "rattles sub*" or "rattles sub****", with anywhere from one to four asterisks included. What in the world do the asterisks mean?

Alfred answered that about 5 years ago but I could not find the quote. The asterisks are supposed to indicate how close the "near miss" really was, but I cannot remember if more or fewer asterisks is closer. In the end he said it is eye candy, like all the text about rattling. Unless the text says the sub gets damaged, chances are there is no actual damage applied.

Even if you get some near misses causing damage it can often be repaired by the sub after the battle. It takes 15-30 minor hits to cause an I-boat enough accumulated damage to sink. The RO-boats are less robust and 12-20 minor hits can put them in trouble. Penetrating hits are where it is at. Two penetrating hits will knock an I-boat out of the battle and send it RTB. Three penetrating hits will usually sink an I-boat or force it to the surface.

For RO-boats two penetrating hits puts them in dire straits or sinks them. Mini-subs are eggshells that usually sink after a single penetrating hit or about five near misses causing damage. They cannot dive deep so finding them and hitting them is much easier.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 5:16:38 PM   
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Shikuka: 25 hits reported, two penetrating, "heavy damage." This PF TF must be about out of ammo - the engagement lasted a long, long time.

Many of the hits repored were "rattles sub*" or "rattles sub****", with anywhere from one to four asterisks included. What in the world do the asterisks mean?







They mean basically nothing.

For the "hits", those include "Near miss damages sub...". These can knock out torpedo tubes, cause minor flooding, or "fire" in the control room. In my experience on both sides of these messages, they may cause a point of System damage or they may not. You really need actual hits on the subs to do anything to them.

But the torpedo tubes being damaged are at least partial mission kills. I've damaged multiple sets in a single ASW action before, which makes me happy even if I don't deal any lasting damage to the sub.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 5:26:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the "Fire" message (whatever part of the boat it is in) is serious and can sometimes force the sub to the surface. Much more common are messages about "leaking" which mean minor flood damage, but enough of those can cause the sub to sink too.

There is another message about leaking oil, but I don't know if that increases the sub's chance of being detected (i.e. less chance of losing contact) or if it significantly reduces the fuel range of the sub.

Underwater explosions are good joss for the ASW forces.

Only about 10% of aircraft reported "HIT"s seem to actually cause some damage, even with skilled pilots.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 5:30:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are a lot more single-asterisk strikes than four-asterisk strikes, so probably more asterisks = more damage.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 5:32:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Death Star will follow The Herd, trailing by a single hex. I'm hoping that will increase the odds that the lumbering behemoth xAKs and escorting ASW TFs will happen upon the wolves first.

I haven't tried this before, so I'm not sure if there's a downside.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 6:03:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been travelling on business, and this is my first time on the forum for about 10 days. Took me a couple hours of reading to catch up on your AAR. As usual Dan, it is very well written and very enjoyable to follow. The intensity of the Battle of Shikuka rivals some of your clashes with John III...

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 6:09:02 PM   
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I've been travelling on business, and this is my first time on the forum for about 10 days. Took me a couple hours of reading to catch up on your AAR. As usual Dan, it is very well written and very enjoyable to follow. The intensity of the Battle of Shikuka rivals some of your clashes with John III...


Thanks, Dave. Welcome home.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 6:11:45 PM   
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the odds of a carrier clash are pretty slim.

Oh? What makes you say that?


KB had damaged carriers that Erik was carefully shepherding home. For a turn or two, the odds of him attacking were low enough that I switched some strike aircraft to ASW duty. Now DS is close enough to LRCAP at Shikuka that those ASW squadorns (perhaps six or eight total) will continue to focus on enemy subs.



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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 6:31:46 PM   
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There are a lot more single-asterisk strikes than four-asterisk strikes, so probably more asterisks = more damage.


Some time ago I asked about this. The answer I got, consistent from several experienced players, is there is no damage unless the message specifically says there was damage. So "near miss" with any number of asterisks is just excitement with no substance. "Near miss causes damage" (or fire, etc) actually does something. But you need a direct hit -- actually multiple ones -- to really cause serious damage to the sub and have a good chance of sinking it or forcing it to the surface to get blasted.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 6:46:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vaguely seem to recall: aren't the asterisks just counters so the identical message is not repeated many times?

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 6:46:55 PM   
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I think Death Star will follow The Herd, trailing by a single hex. I'm hoping that will increase the odds that the lumbering behemoth xAKs and escorting ASW TFs will happen upon the wolves first.

I haven't tried this before, so I'm not sure if there's a downside.


Yes, by leading with your xAKs, it is more likely that will be intercepted by any SCTF naval sorties or SS units lurking. They should serve to soak off any attacks on your carrier fleet nicely.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 7:29:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		A very long time ago Symon (one of the devs for the newbs) stated that the asterisks mean nothing.

They were intended to represent something that was never implemented.

The only near missies that I am aware of that have an effect in game are anti-submarine attack near misses and ones that report actual damage.

Near misses that rattle the sub do no damage.

Damaging near misses are reported as hits in the combat report so sometimes a combat report with 10 hits really hasn't disabled the sub much because they were all light damage near misses.

You need at least 2-3 penetrating hits to really damage a sub substantially.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 7:31:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		The lead TF is a combat TF with a variety of TFs following, including another combat TF, minesweepers, ASW TFs, and the various merchantmen. There are also combat TFs patrolling between The Herd and danger. Most importantly, though, most of Erik's combat TFs are accounted for at Sapporo and points south, so the risk of surface encounters is small.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 9:03:41 PM   
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There are a lot more single-asterisk strikes than four-asterisk strikes, so probably more asterisks = more damage.


I don't think so. I'm pretty sure that they're essentially just random, with no effect. "Near miss rattles sub" doesn't do any damage to the sub, for example, but you'll still see asterisks for that message.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 9:04:46 PM   
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Vaguely seem to recall: aren't the asterisks just counters so the identical message is not repeated many times?


I've seen identical numbers of asterisks repeated, so it's not that.

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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 11:04:44 PM   
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Shikuka: The night of the 7th opens with another ASW battle, this one a hex SW of the starting position of Death Star.




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RE: Notes from a Small Island - 5/24/2018 11:10:00 PM   
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Shikuka: The preceding post is a sync-bug mirage. So I won't post images of all the sub/ASW action this turn. There's a lot of it, but I'll instead post from the combat report.

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