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Aircraft numbers in combat report - 6/5/2018 8:27:06 PM   
MaB1708

 

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Status: offline 		Gentlemen, even when following the battles with the highest level of detail I do not see any accurate explanation for the numbers on the defenders aircraft section, reading sth like "5 : 12 MiG-3".
Yes, numbers seem to degrade "somehow" while enemies machines were destroyed, but exactly what the relation is I have not figured out. Any explanation from the community?
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M




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RE: Aircraft numbers in combat report - 6/5/2018 8:38:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is your question how it is decided how many aircraft are in the battle (for example the 41 German fighters above). Or are you trying to work out how they got to the number of losses (for example no German losses and 9 Soviet losses in the example above)?

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RE: Aircraft numbers in combat report - 6/5/2018 8:52:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Telemedus, it is about this "26:40" ratio (see soviet section on the right side: "26:40 Ar-2"). What does 26 and 40 mean? If the combat report tells me "Ar-2 destroyed (whatever reason) it seems sometimes number on the left (26) goes down, sometimes number on the right (40), sometimes both. What do I see when I see those pairs "26:40", "5:7", "35:52" changing value?

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RE: Aircraft numbers in combat report - 6/5/2018 9:03:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah I see - just another question was the battle a bomb an airfield mission? I am afraid my German is not good enough to be sure. But if so the 26:40 might relate to the aeroplanes that were on the ground when you bombed it? Ar-2 and Pe-2 are bombers that would not have taken off to intercept your aircraft - but will still have been destroyed on the ground. If I remember this rightly that should mean you 14 Ar-2 and 2 pe-2 or 16 in total are no longer operational - although you can see only 12 actually got destroyed.

However the aircraft battle results in the left and right panels are not always reliable - I would only trust the ones in the centre.

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RE: Aircraft numbers in combat report - 6/6/2018 1:10:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought that eg 5 : 7 PE meant that there were 12 PEs on the airfield and only 5 fit to fly

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RE: Aircraft numbers in combat report - 6/6/2018 12:00:01 PM   
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I thought that eg 5 : 7 PE meant that there were 12 PEs on the airfield and only 5 fit to fly


That could be right actually - I only ever paid attention to the 5 and even then looked at the hex pop up for the base to be certain

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RE: Aircraft numbers in combat report - 6/8/2018 11:06:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for your hints, gentlemen. Yes, it is a airfield bombing mission.
Does anyone know for sure what these numbers stand for?
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M

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RE: Aircraft numbers in combat report - 6/11/2018 7:36:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		99% sure that the first number is how many undamaged and the second number is the total number of aircraft including damaged. I am pretty sure that "5:7" does not mean 12 aircraft of which 5 are operational as I have never seen the number on the right less than the number on the left. Also, can see when you destroy a plane that frequently both the number on the right and left decrease simultaneously (when you see only the number on the right go down that indicates a damaged plane has been destroyed).

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RE: Aircraft numbers in combat report - 6/11/2018 7:40:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I add the final 1%, together we are 100% sure.
Left number operational planes, right number overall number of aircraft, included damaged ones.

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RE: Aircraft numbers in combat report - 6/11/2018 9:23:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fantastic, thanks everyone for the information, appreciated!
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M

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