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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 6:52:28 PM   
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 7:23:19 PM   
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Could it be he expected to devastate your air groups without losses to ships?


Not with only a 250-300 plane CAP. Even a 1000 plane CAP is no guarantee in this game.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 7:44:23 PM   
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Woah, I did not think this kind of butchering could still happen in WITP PBEM live.

Congratulations on the historical victory!

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 8:33:52 PM   
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Your questions make me think for sure. Something is really not right there. Why such a small CAP? Why no strikes set? Why there at all if no target was attempted?

I guess he could have had a port/strat strike on that was called off for weather but didn't set naval as first priority?

After the LBA got him he should have turned and gone home. What a huge blunder all around. Hope you hear about it someday and can fill us in and what really happened.

Now. What are you planning for 46? Jets? Ki-94-II? Do you have those little IJA eight plane CVEs building for your whirly-birds?

If he doesn't quit this will mean a truly epic game that may reach some new territory. I bet jet kamis are pretty tough.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 8:46:10 PM   
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Well played.

Your questions make me think for sure. Something is really not right there. Why such a small CAP? Why no strikes set? Why there at all if no target was attempted?

I guess he could have had a port/strat strike on that was called off for weather but didn't set naval as first priority?

After the LBA got him he should have turned and gone home. What a huge blunder all around. Hope you hear about it someday and can fill us in and what really happened.

Now. What are you planning for 46? Jets? Ki-94-II? Do you have those little IJA eight plane CVEs building for your whirly-birds?

If he doesn't quit this will mean a truly epic game that may reach some new territory. I bet jet kamis are pretty tough.


I don't want to ask him what he was thinking in case he takes it the wrong way. He isn't quiting, his turns are as quick as usual.

No real big plans for the rest of the game. I'm building everything that floats apart from Shinano and the useless transport subs. I already have two of the small CVE's, although I see them in the decoy role later in the game. Jet Kami's sound nice, but I won't see them till late 45 if I last that long....

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 11:27:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		If all the ships you believe are sunk with 90% confidence that means he has lost 700 AC worth of carrier decks. It will take him more than a year to replace all those loses, less CVEs, which are brittle and poor substitutes for CV. CVLs.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 1:01:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		I still believe Allies can conduct operations even without their vaunted CVs. Their other advantages are just that good. He just can't be as blatant in his invasions, has to be more careful in his operations, and deliberate in his actions. Perhaps he should stick within range of his LBA and look to start squeezing the DEI and your oil.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 1:04:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		But this narrows down Allied options considerably. The DEI is perhaps the most likely vector, but Miller knows that (and the others, as well). Miller is one tough customer when defending in the DEI, as I can vouch from personal experience about nine or ten years ago.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 1:21:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		And being able to reinforce with the KB, if properly done and I am sure that the JFB knows how, the Allied LBA can be overwhelmed while the KB ships can be relatively safe. Of course, that is a brittle but sharp weapon. He doesn't need to go after the carriers because he can wreck havoc with the landings if he so chooses.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 4:27:04 AM   
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 12:56:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		He could have been planning an air trap, and set down his fighters to prepare and rest, unfortunately a lot went into maintenance mode.

His CV could have been on city attack, but the TF reacted out of range and closer to your KB?

Endless speculation...until the game is over.




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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 12:58:26 PM   
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One can always invade over land...through Burma. It will be a grind. I, for one, hope this game sees 1946. That'd be fun.


I think as players we rely too much on the Carriers, and with proper planning and misdirection every opportunity is still open to Mr. Kane. Japan just needs early warning...should be very interesting.


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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 1:17:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mr Kane probably can no longer support a Central or Northern Pacific strategy. Your fleet is superior for the foreseeable future. Burma is the obvious choice. DEI of northern New Guinea are also options. You recently damaged many of his support and transport ships so intensive naval operations are probably not in the cards. Plan for a long game.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 1:35:07 PM   
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I think as players we rely too much on the Carriers, and with proper planning and misdirection every opportunity is still open to Mr. Kane. Japan just needs early warning...should be very interesting.


I understand what Jeff is saying, and his words are a caution against overconfidence.

But the importance of carriers isn't overstated. In the right circumstances, they provide mobility - an opportunity to attack almost anywhere - that can be the most important facet of the Allied attack.

Lacking carriers, the Allies can turn to misdirection, but there's an element of luck to that and its also hard or impossible to change directions if the enemy guesses right or if bad things happen.

I think it was Stephen Ambrose that explained that greatest Allied advantage in Europe in the spring of 1944 was its mobility. The Allies could choose to attack anywhere (within reason) on the European coastline. Once that decision was made, however, the Allies reverted to a land-bound aggressor fighting a dug-in enemy. That's the situation Mr. Kane finds himself in now. And he's facing an experienced, capable opponent who typically doesn't leave holes in his defenses.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 1:54:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the discussion and praise everyone, I've certainly bought myself a few months to get my defences in order for the long game.

I think John Dillworth has hit the nail on the head. He's pretty much limited to a land war for the rest of 44 and any advances that can be covered by LBA. To start with here is the situation in Burma:






The red line is my new defensive position. He has taken the long route with his mega stack of troops to avoid shock attacking Moulmein across the river. Most of the units are now marching west into Moulmein, but I have a few divs to the SE just in case he tries to go around it instead. He took Rahaeng with a few chindit para divs but my tanks kicked them out, closing off the road to Bangkok (for now anyway).

I think the bulk of the British fleet is up at Calcutta or Ceylon, if he was to employ all of it they could cover an invasion to my rear (green arrows), but the bases on the coast to the south, Tavoy and Victoria point are well bulit up, along with Bangkok of course so it could be a costly effort on his part. Port Blair provides an excellent search a/c base so I doubt he could achieve any surprise either....

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 2:06:32 PM   
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As I've already stated he is in the process of moving troops around and I've noticed units heading south from Chunking. With the B29 arriving next month I think he may be looking to take one of the bases circled to put them in range of the western mainland bases for a night bombing campaign.










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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 2:48:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The most likely option to the DEI, via Timor. If he really wants Darwin he could take it relatively easily if he bombed it daily. The bases with US flags have auto converted after he landed a small unit at Dobo, but it has not been built up at all.






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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 3:32:43 PM   
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 4:00:51 PM   
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You are spoiling us bad with graphics!

I sure you mean bad graphics

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 4:14:12 PM   
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 4:20:06 PM   
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 4:42:25 PM   
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How well are your defenses in the north and is it theoretically possible he can still hop along the Kurile chain?


Just going off memory here but every Is in the Kuriles has a minimum of 100 AV behind 4 forts. I doubt he will be thinking about coming that way anytime soon. My money would be on a "safe" advance under LBA through Timor. That's where my CVs are heading in the next few days after the airgroups are fully restored.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 6:08:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		If carriers weren't vital for power projection, then why did China just buy and are building two more? Even today the country that wants to be a player on the deep blue sea needs carriers. He has now been hobbled and can not do what some others have done, which is invade beyond your critical defensive ring and use his carriers, as mobile airfields to protect the landing until the exploit you thin inner defenses to develop the airfields to deploy his superior land based air component. His supply lines are now vulnerable to rading by KB elements that can play havoc with his future plans for the next several months.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 7:05:57 PM   
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 7:08:54 PM   
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Prestige, flash, and show. Why do middle aged, fat, balding men want a fancy sports car convertible? The same reasons!


You must have seen a photo of me

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 7:11:11 PM   
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Very quiet as to be expected after recent events. A few more days and the KB will have its full quota of planes and pilots again and it will sail for pastures new....

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 7:21:52 PM   
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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 7:58:13 PM   
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Prestige, flash, and show. Why do middle aged, fat, balding men want a fancy sports car convertible? The same reasons!

You must have seen a photo of me


Then hear is a video of some cars with a B-25 for you to enjoy.

a video with nice cars

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 8:45:50 PM   
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Prestige, flash, and show. Why do middle aged, fat, balding men want a fancy sports car convertible? The same reasons!

You must have seen a photo of me


Then hear is a video of some cars with a B-25 for you to enjoy.

a video with nice cars


I didn't see anyone there with a 25 chest - B cup...

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/8/2018 9:03:54 PM   
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For instance, I posted this YouTube link last year, inviting all men of good taste to admire the lady director of the US Army Band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80

BBfanboy poo-pooed that visions of loveliness and instead directed attention to the flutist (also lovely, but not quite as lovely).

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