Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: brucemo

This unit is at 68,83 (Polonnoe) and I think makes it impossible to pocket 3 tank divisions and 2 rifle divisions that are slightly west of there, in the aggressive "lock down" Lvov pocket strategy.

I'm seeing the unit in 1.11.03, and I'm seeing it in MarauderPL's 37-part YouTube series, which is from 2016, but it does not appear to be present in some AAR's (HLYA's "extermination" AAR, which uses 1.11.01, sillyflower's "SWAN_SONG" AAR from 2015), and I don't know what is going on.

I know that recon is fallible but it's missing in screen shots enough that I think that it's sometimes really not there.

Am I correct that it is sometimes gone, and if so, what dictates this unit's presence or absence?

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: brucemo

This unit is at 68,83 (Polonnoe) and I think makes it impossible to pocket 3 tank divisions and 2 rifle divisions that are slightly west of there, in the aggressive "lock down" Lvov pocket strategy.

I'm seeing the unit in 1.11.03, and I'm seeing it in MarauderPL's 37-part YouTube series, which is from 2016, but it does not appear to be present in some AAR's (HLYA's "extermination" AAR, which uses 1.11.01, sillyflower's "SWAN_SONG" AAR from 2015), and I don't know what is going on.

I know that recon is fallible but it's missing in screen shots enough that I think that it's sometimes really not there.

Am I correct that it is sometimes gone, and if so, what dictates this unit's presence or absence?

Check your scenerio version to see if they match. Some setups are different on a few units.

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ORIGINAL: brucemo

I can't post links because I am new. That is in fact the unit and it is not visible in the two AAR's that I referred to.

It is possible to get there, displace the unit, and occupy its hex, but you have to use 11th Panzer and you can't attack anything else on the way, so position in the HLYA AAR appears optimal. You can't get GD Motorized to the position north of there with enough MP to displace the garrison, so I don't see how anything can be better here.

I'd be happy to be shown to be wrong about this. I realize that I am new and therefore dumb and ignorant but I've spent a lot of time trying to figure this out.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

I actually have another opening with Germany that is even deadlier than this one now. I am very very reluctant to share it though.

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ORIGINAL: brucemo

Okay, I'll accept that the unit was there.

What confused me is that you spoke about something having gone wrong here, and I assumed you'd gotten less out of this than you otherwise would have. But there is no way to move that last panzer even one hex further. I know it's not a real pocket. I just couldn't figure out what had gone wrong when this looks like a perfect outcome.

Perhaps you had to bring in an extra panzer unit.

Since you are reading this and are obviously very skilled, I would like to ask you about the difference between 14th and 11th Panzer.

If I run the 14th down there, I can't attack anything on the way. If I break it into regiments and attack the SEC at 60,85 with one of them, the morale of that brigade raises to 87. When I combine them next turn, morale is back down to 85 and for some reason the unit pays 3 MP to enter enemy clear territory.

This doesn't happen if I can attack something on the way, so I've been taking 11th Panzer to Romania. But in that case I can't occupy the the hex that the motorized unit that is the subject of this thread is on, because 14th is one MP short.

Is there a way to keep 14th Panzer from going bad next turn if you take it to Romania?

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ORIGINAL: beender

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

I actually have another opening with Germany that is even deadlier than this one now. I am very very reluctant to share it though.

But sooner or later you'll have to because someone will be victim of it

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Para 5: Are you breaking the PZ division down into Regiments in the last hex. Then with just one of the Regiments attack the Security unit? Then the other two units can move to the other hexes. That is how you do that one :-)

Para 6: I don't understand this question.

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ORIGINAL: brucemo

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Para 5: Are you breaking the PZ division down into Regiments in the last hex. Then with just one of the Regiments attack the Security unit? Then the other two units can move to the other hexes. That is how you do that one :-)

Para 6: I don't understand this question.

The unit is at 61,95 with 4 MP. It has not attacked anything on the way there, because it is 14th Panzer and it takes that many MP to get there.

The unit is broken into regiments. One regiment attacks 94th NKDV at 60 95 (Novoselitsa).

The regiment with 3 MP stays where it is, another moves to 60,95, and the last one moves to 62,94.

At this point the one that attacked is at 87 morale and the other two are at 85.

End turn.

Combine the regiments. The division will have 85 morale. Try to move. It costs 3 MP to move across clear enemy territory. This is what I mean when I refer to "going bad".

If you take the 11th there and attack as a division, all three bits will have 87 morale after the above steps, and when you combine them on turn 2 you will have 87 morale. The division can move across clear enemy territory with 2 MP.

I'm assuming that the lower morale is what is causing this because I don't know what else could be.

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ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

Another illustration of why there needs to be some sort of semi-free deployment in this game. When experienced players know where every Soviet division is, and can debate opening moves with chess-like precision, it takes something away from the game imho.

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
Who said I would play Germany again ;-P

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ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

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ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

Another illustration of why there needs to be some sort of semi-free deployment in this game. When experienced players know where every Soviet division is, and can debate opening moves with chess-like precision, it takes something away from the game imho.

It is called “the editor”. Just get your partner to agree to it then have a game. Been discussed a few times before. Or have an agreement on dos and donts in your game. All have been talked about in the past in other threads. I applaud the gentleman in asking questions and figuring out the moves. It will make him a better player in the end.

Now having said that I can pretty much play a game now without any pocket in the south and win the game. I don’t have to move more than 6 hexes on the first turn below the Rovno hex line and let the Soviets use the units however they want. Matter of fact I don’t need to make any pocket at all anywhere on the map the 1st turn. But I can’t lose my experience which would detract from the game with my chess like moves. Thus it is good to pass on this information to any that would like to learn.