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CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/23/2018 8:46:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ian and I are going to switch sides and play the very same scenario again, it's T2 and nothing much is happening. I've moved the RR engineers onto the very first broken rail hex and he's busy repairing rail all the way through Cambodia to the water down south.

I blew some bridges in the delta in T1 and then disbanded the VC units that blew the bridges. I'll eventually manage to bust some bridges nearer Saigon just to see which ARVN units are active. I'm hoping to be able to break a lot of his aircraft too. I've found them to be very vulnerable to rocket / arty fire.

It looks like Ian went for the Early Vietnamization and Economic Aid and he's called in the 1st Marines and the 9th Infantry and of course the 1st Cav. The EVV is already up to at least 15 and I'm going to see what I can do to boost it even higher as soon as I'm in a position to do so. I want to flood the delta with VC's and invade near Plekieu ( spelling ? ) in the Ia Drang area, in the mountains where they will be hardest to get pushed out of position. I'm going to take an entire Division for that little project.

So I'm going to try to take the fight to the entire country.

I notice that Ian didn't call in any aircraft, not even the MAF that usually gets called in when the Marines do. The 1st Cav is airmobile because they have their own lift helicopters but the Marines don't have an organic lift capability and they are going to have to borrow some lift from Saigon's reserve if there is one. Unless Ian doesn't want them airmobile, but what use is a Marine unit if it can't move like the wind, I ask you. The use of lift helicopters is a force multiplier....same for the air power that could have been called in. It's going to be interesting to see how the Marines can operate on foot without much air support.




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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/23/2018 9:11:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the supply situation from the northernmost regions at the top and looking south and you can see that the supply situation is poor for most of the map. There's adequate operating supply levels immediately around the supply sources but before you get very far away the supply level drops off fairly fast. That's going to limit the places where I can successfully operate. And there's no easy way to move everybody south. That will have to be postponed until a little later in the war, maybe a year from now when the rail is further south. I wouldn't put it past Ian to try to break my rail where it crosses a river by downing the bridge.

And there's always the chance that he'll violate border limits just to grab one or more of my supply spots. If he coordinates it he can deploy his paratroopers and rangers to all three or four of the supply spots and then hopefully leave the next turn for a total tax of -1 EVV point. And he's got lots of EVV points to play with before it becomes a problem.




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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/23/2018 9:21:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the supply situation down south near Saigon. It's early in the war and the supply flow might not have stabilized yet and the numbers might change next turn but I'm guessing it's going to be relatively the same for all the hexes and there's a sweet spot in Cambodia where supply is max and thanks be to the gods that it's on the trail. I'll have to do some research in the old AAR to see approx. how long it took Ian to repair the rail all the way down to Cambodia. I'm guessing about two years of game time.




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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/23/2018 9:45:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Inventory and Losses dialog says I'm going to be getting a bunch of mechanized stuff about T60 or so and that coincides with the appearance of the Mig-21, the best of the NVN fighters. I used to fly missions into northern Laos on the HCM trail and we used to have an F-4 escort just in case the Mig-21's wanted to play. And I had an SA-7 heat seaking missile shot at me about 01:30 in the morning sometime in September of 1974 from the surburbs of Cholon which is a satillite of Saigon, right up next to Saigon to the north and the flare ejector didn't work. Somebody shot off a flare pistol and the missile followed the flare so we survived. The Col. that was in the pilots seat decided that that was all the missiles we were going to see that night and stayed in orbit over Saigon for another three hours before we landed at Thanh Sonh Nhut to rearm and refuel.




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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/24/2018 11:10:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 2 Allies.

In my attempt to play as the US/ARVN I have decided to try a somewhat radical strategy of letting the ARVN do 90% of the heavy lifting and so have chosen the economic aid and early Vietnamisation theatre optins. This will boost ARVN numbers by 40% over the next 2 years....a time before the VC reach maximum strength.

The issue with the Marine helicopters mentioned by Larry above is cock up rather than conspiracy as I was under the mistaken impression the Marines came with integral heliborne capacity.

The VC turn saw a couple of bridges dropped and one successful and one unsuccessful attack on ARVN militia holding remote regional centres. Mac Ho was captured by a VC battalion but I managed to utilise the ARVN Rangers supported by helicopter gunships to surround and destroy them and regain the 3VP's lost. Unfortunately most of the ARVN remained in reorganisation and the US airpower was still missing so there was little else that could be achieved but to chase down and destroy the unsuccessful VC unit close to Saigon.

The 1st Marine Divn is now in country and the 9th Division is starting to arrive down in the Delta.

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/25/2018 11:16:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems that Ian has called for a lot more formations to be shipped to Vietnam and it's a lot of units. The 3rd Marines, 25th Infantry Regiment, 1st Ait Cav of course, the 3/82 Airborne regiment, and 173rd Airborne. They should all arrive next turn.




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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/25/2018 2:09:05 PM   
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The VC and NVA are both active with the NVA pushing through Quang Tri asnd taking Con Thien and the VC taking some Regional centres in the deep south. Marines and Air Cav arrive in the nick of time to destroy the VC and recapture the towns but its a hectic start.

The ARVN in the Delta actually perform well and destroy another VC battalion. All told 4 VC units are destroyed and with help from the navy 1 NVA unit is destroyed and another badly damaged.

US bombers have now arrived and also help but they are still very under strength.

VP = +4
EVV= 29

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/25/2018 3:11:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm curious devoncop, which air group did you bring in?


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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/25/2018 5:31:57 PM   
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I don't have the game back with me yet but I believe it was SAC.

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/26/2018 8:03:51 AM   
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The EVV remains stable at 29 and VP's also stable at +4.

The VC get a bit frisky down South taking Chau Phu near the Cambodian border and are surrounded and destroyed by rapid reaction forces in the area. A failed attempt to take another small boony town on the coast fails however which allows the navy to help with the clean up.

US bombers get Intel on Ho Chi Minh trail improvements going on so decide to try and take out some rail engineers to be a nuisance. Relatively successful but no total wipe out sadly.

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/26/2018 2:46:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		It appears that the Allies had themselves a nuclear attack. I'm wondering what this attack is a symptom of if it's not a bug. I'm not sure Ian ordered that attack or not but I suspect not.




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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/26/2018 2:59:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I mis-read the dialog....there were three nuclear attacks. I'm wondering if maybe Ian designated some attacks by aircraft on the carrier and THEN moved the carrier, even just one hex. That will screw up the attacks I've discovered.




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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/26/2018 4:00:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well done Larry you solved the mystery !

I scheduled attacks from the carrier group before moving it .... If that costs me loads of VP's or has caused you loads of casualties we may need to restart but hopefully it is just a glitch without consequences....

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/26/2018 6:20:48 PM   
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EVV now 33 so the students have started revolting in Washington. Naturally I order the National Guard out so they don't put people off their apple pie while watching the ABC News.......

VP's however are +10 to the US which is heartening.

The Strategic Bombing Command catches some artillery assets of the NVA in Cambodia and manages to destroy a large proportion.

Two VC are encircled in central South Vietnam but I don't have the immediate forces nearby to wipe them out which is a pain.

The Early Vietnamisation is paying off a bit as more ARVN reinforcements are coming onstream.




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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/27/2018 2:17:38 PM   
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The VC try and break out from the encirclement but are slaughtered. More VC attacks on Con Tho, Cao Lanh, and Chau Phu are made and all fought off though they do capture Phu Loe but this is quickly recaptured.

Strategic bombers destroy a RR unit making trail improvements which was excellent news though I then failed a proficiency test.

EVV is stable on 33
VP's increase again to +14

The number of dropped bridges in the Delta and on the main North South coastal highway is a pain but there are not enough units to defend every bridge.

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/27/2018 7:09:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ian has been decimating my AA units in Hanoi and I'm not sure he knows that he's doing that. He may not want to do that. On the other hand he's destroyed all my aircraft as well. I wonder if that's by design.




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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/28/2018 6:49:56 AM   
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The NLF take out a couple of weak border units but fail in an assault on Chu Lai thanks to air combat support and are destroyed during my turn.

Strategic bombers make repeated runs at the trail improvements squad now joined by some NVA engineers to repair the bridge I blew. Decent damage is done. Long range artillery manages to cause significant casualties to a large NVA stack West of This Thien including multiple rocket launchers as part of an attempt to blunt a probable invasion in monsoon season.

Another VC unit is discovered by ARVN Rangers in the Delta and destroyed.

EVV is still at 33 and VP's increase to +17

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/28/2018 5:52:15 PM   
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EVV = 33. .......... VP's = +19

Only a single ARVN Militia unit destroyed by the NLF and relatively subdued VC activity allows VP's to tick up to 19. US artillery manages to wipe out an NVA artillery unit on the Trail West of This Thien.

It is obvious the NVA has gathered ready for an invasion in strength during the monsoon so things are likely to get ugly soon.

In more positive news the fresh ARVN 23rd Division has mustered and seems relatively strong.



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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/28/2018 7:43:17 PM   
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EVV ticks up to 34

VP's fall back 1 to +18 as the VC start to get stroppy, taking An Loc (notoriously vulnerable) and Bo Loc (sp?) in the central jungle areas adjoining Cambodia and also taking Khe Sanh before melting away again.

Khe Sanh and An Loc are retaken without a problem but Bo Loc hangs on.

Xuan Loc was also attacked but this time the garrison hung on.

In reply more air attacks were made on the trail engineers who took significant losses and the bridge on which the engineers were sat west of Thua Thien was dropped again. My intention is to make supply south of Thua Thien difficult so that any NVA activity is concentrated in the north.





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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/29/2018 7:42:06 AM   
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EVV annoyingly increases to 37 (Economic Aid option being partly to blame) but VP's hit a high in this game so far of +21.

Still no monsoon so not sight nor sound of the VC who are remaining under their rocks.

Another Border unit was destroyed in Larry's turn but this time no towns were taken.

I use the pause to continue to target the NVA engineers and also spot a big concentration of VC Cadres on the Trail waiting to mobilise and hit them with strategic bombing. Multiple casualties caused which is gratifying but the bombers are getting tired and some will need a rest. They will need to rest up during the monsoon anyway so they can have a break then.

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/30/2018 8:29:27 AM   
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A couple of turns on and after Larry stayed low key again last turn. This turn however there are multiple attacks by the VC on ARVN garrisons but thankfully all are fought off with heavy or total loss to the VC as a result of heavy air support👍

A word about air tactics. Larry subjected met to heavy air interdiction when I played as the NLF which was frequently murderous as well as having decent combat support. I have deliberately minimised interdiction given how scattergun it is and an focusing on air superiority sufficient to keep the MiGs in check and heavy combat support. Without air support the ARVN are frequently blown away like chaff but with it even Border Units can hold on.

The downside legislatively unhindered movement for the NLF aside from bridge blowing so it may be I regret the strategy when the offensives come.

VP's have now reached +27 and EVV remains at 36.

This turn

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/30/2018 4:02:18 PM   
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If I had forgotten what a pain in the ass the VC Rocket units can be then Larry reminded me this turn when one popped up within range of a chopper base at Da Nang and took out the 518th and 528th squadrons in their entirety. Not good.
Most remaining air assets that cannot fit offshore have been relocated to better protected areas.

The ARVN 25th Division has now arrived around Saigon which provides added insurance for the capitol.

I decide I have a bit of leeway so launch a cross border operation to take down the bridge on the Trail and dig in a unit just to be difficult but find a full NVA Divisional stack adjacent so it won't last long.

During Larry's turn air combat support again proved its worth and the VC lost many men attempting to take Moc Hoa and Gia Nghai. After heavy fighting during my turn Boc Ho was recaptured near the Cambodian border.

VP's are now at +30 and EVV at 37.

Still no monsoon !

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/30/2018 5:34:46 PM   
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March 1966 and the monsoon finally starts.

The unfortunate Air Cav get overwhelmed by the NVA 308th and 312th Divisions retaking the Trail bridge but again the air support inflicts decent losses.

Attacks by the VC on Qui Nhon fail and the attackers are wiped out during my turn as is an NVA Mechanized Regt that inched into Quang Tri.

Just before the turn ended Strategic Bombers were called in on a speculative attack on two NVA artillery units spotted on the Trail and surprisingly inflicted about 40% casualties.

EVV= 37
VP's increase to +33

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/31/2018 5:45:38 AM   
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April 1966.

With the arrival of the monsoon the VC activity markedly steps up though actual attacks are few with lots of VC lurking and only discovered by patrolling. Half a dozen are destroyed (half in the Delta) and the Strat Bombers fly though the wind and rain and manage to take out the NVA rocketeers on the trail plus most of an artillery unit.

The NVA Divisions remain worryingly quiet.

EVV= 39 having popped up due to the continuation of Economic Aid but for the same reason VP's increase to +35.



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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 8/31/2018 5:48:27 PM   
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As the monsoon continues the NVA pour across the border into Quang Tri in the North and launch themselves at the garrison in Khe Sanh but the 308th and 312th Divisions are fought off with heavy loss by US Armoured Cavalry and air support losing over 200 Infantry squads.
Other NVA regiments are stopped at the river bridges and one is finished off by supporting artillery during the Allied turn.

Down South a number of VC units are left stranded as Larry's turn ends prematurely due to the heavy fighting in the North eating up rounds.I

At turn beginning EVV remains at 39 but VP's increase to +39.....one away from the level of a marginal victory but there is a long way to go and forces are getting stretched by the attacks on multiple fronts.

I am still mulling over calling in more Americans but for now the temptation is resisted.



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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 9/1/2018 8:05:04 AM   
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As the monsoon finishes the NVA pull back from Quang Tri and VC activity is reduced to taking out more choppers with the blasted rocket artillery that does its worst then melts away.

All I can really do is disperse them other than at Saigon where there is much more ARVN presence to prevent attacks.

On a plus point the Strategic Bombers get busy again and take out one RR unit on the Trail and badly damage two more of the four present.

Many more ARVN Border units are now arriving and though weak, with air support and sometime reserves backing them up from the regular ARVN they can do a job.

VP's hit +40 with EVV likewise.

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 9/1/2018 5:33:05 PM   
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EVV remains at 40 but VP's tick up to +42 into marginal victory territory if only temporarily.

Attacks on Phu Vinh and Ham Ton are repulsed and in the best news of the turn patrols discover two VC Rocket units and both are destroyed for now.

ARVN Border units continue to arrive and infiltration by the NVA in the south of the country will be very difficult without detection.

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 9/2/2018 6:36:58 AM   
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A really quiet turn as apart from a small ARVN Armoured Cav unit blundering into some NVA when checking out Khe Sanh (which is now back in NVA area of influence in the car North of Quang Tri) and getting itself wiped out when it tried to disengage.

No VC were spotted and EVV popped up to 42 and VP's up to +45

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 9/2/2018 3:37:15 PM   
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The NVA launch attacks in Quang Tri but Dong Ha holds and fixed guns in the city cause heavy losses to two NVA Regiments. An HQ unit full of artillery and Rockets is holding the bridge on the trail that the Strat bombers like to blow so they get hit as well and the bridge is blown again.

The VC do another decent impression of the invisible men but seem to be awaiting another monsoon.

VP's remain at +45 and EVV increases to 43.

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RE: CSV Ian Allies larry NVA csv_v.1.0.sce - 9/3/2018 6:02:50 AM   
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A futile but heroic act of resistance by a South Vietnamese Border post sees a single squad in Quang Tri call in air support and take out 61 NVA squads before being overrun. The attackers of Dong Ha are almost eliminated by naval and artillery fire and US Marines locate a VC battalion north of Saigon in the forests and manage to destroy it.

I am now concerned at over stretch for my mobile reliable forces on the ground so I decide I have to call in more US troops and the 25th Division is on its way.

This turn all my Strategic Bombers are on reorganisation so Larry is able to continue upgrading the Trail unimpeded.

For now EVV= 43 and VP's are +47



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