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I wonder if I can get a bit of help here. - 10/7/2018 1:31:15 AM   
Major_Mess


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I try to be kinda self sufficient, but my Google-Fu skills are not helping me with this search, so I thought that I might get some assistance right here.
I'm looking for some resources on the "Practical Rate of Fire" for WW2 small arms, up to HMG's.

I know this has been done, somewhere.
Can some kind soul guide me towards some relevant web sites, or steer me to a relevant thread here on Matrix.

Thanking y'all in advance

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RE: I wonder if I can get a bit of help here. - 10/7/2018 11:00:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don´t have the book myself, but Iam in the middle of learning the rules for Chad Jensen´s "Fighting Formations GD" by GMT. On the play book there are some suggetion/resource reads by Chad, and among the books is this one...

The Encyclopedia of Weapons of WWII, by Chris Bishop:
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/title/the-encyclopedia-of-weapons-of-world-war-ii/author/bishop-chris/

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/983496.The_Encyclopedia_of_Weapons_of_WWII

You then have the wiki, which you might have missed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specifications_for_World_War_II_infantry_weapons
Click on the specific weapon for more info (ROF).

Hope it helps in some way. How accurate are the stats? Who knows! Jane´s has somethings on WWII, but could not find anything specific to weapons of WWII.

Red

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RE: I wonder if I can get a bit of help here. - 10/7/2018 11:25:24 AM   
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https://stealthypancake.github.io/ww2/

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RE: I wonder if I can get a bit of help here. - 10/7/2018 2:43:30 PM   
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RE: I wonder if I can get a bit of help here. - 10/9/2018 1:41:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRoadrunner

MM is this a start?

https://stealthypancake.github.io/ww2/

RR


Thanks for this. It was interesting.
I have to admit that I don't have a clue as to what it's tryin to tell me.
I dunno.

Anyhow, thks for the help.
The hunt continues.

cheers

MM

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RE: I wonder if I can get a bit of help here. - 10/9/2018 8:18:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		You said, "I'm looking for some resources on the "Practical Rate of Fire" for WW2 small arms, up to HMG's."

The info you look for is right there.
Rates of fire are to the right. Range is across the bottom.
And, you can break the weapons down into each category if you wish.

RR

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RE: I wonder if I can get a bit of help here. - 10/10/2018 2:00:11 AM   
Major_Mess


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What you describe is the Cyclical RoF, that's the "Theoretical Best" Rate of Fire of a weapon.
It has little to do with reality.
It's very deceptive, and shouldn't be used to rate a weapons effectiveness.


Wait... let's use the MG42 as an example:
The cyclical rate of fire of this weapon is something stupid like 1200 rounds per minute.
However .....
They have to aim at their target.
The barrel had to be replaced every 250 rds (or close to it), that's 12+ seconds if you're squezin' that trigger hard.
They usually had only a couple of spare barrels available (pls correct me if I'm wrong)
Those things took a while to cool down.
It takes a few seconds to switch out barrels, longer if you lose the oven mitts.
Re-acquire target.
Reload the weapon
etc etc etc.
From what I can find, some folks figure that weapon could safely and reliably provide accurate fire of about 200+ rds per minute.
I just checked, Wikipedia now says the practical RoF was 153 (that's an odd number) rpm.

Aimed, effective use of the weapon without breaking it (usually due to overheating)
THAT's the "Practical RoF" that I'm looking for.

Another one.
Wikipedia tells me the (cyclical) Rate of Fire of the M1 Garand is 40 - 50 rounds per minute.
I have a doc from the US Army that tells me that a user of the M1 Garand should be expected to fire between 16 to 24 aimed rds per minute. At best. That's it.

I know that this information is out there. It has to be. Out of all the WW2 games this outfit has in stock someone must have researched this.
Tell me I'm not the first.

Anyways, that's my hope.

Please don't make me wade in to the Axis History Forums to find out what I want.

Anyways, thanks for your help, it's much appreciated.

cheers

Major Mess



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RE: I wonder if I can get a bit of help here. - 10/10/2018 2:02:28 AM   
Major_Mess


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ORIGINAL: Red2112

I don´t have the book myself, but Iam in the middle of learning the rules for Chad Jensen´s "Fighting Formations GD" by GMT. On the play book there are some suggetion/resource reads by Chad, and among the books is this one...

The Encyclopedia of Weapons of WWII, by Chris Bishop:
https://www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/title/the-encyclopedia-of-weapons-of-world-war-ii/author/bishop-chris/

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/983496.The_Encyclopedia_of_Weapons_of_WWII

You then have the wiki, which you might have missed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specifications_for_World_War_II_infantry_weapons
Click on the specific weapon for more info (ROF).

Hope it helps in some way. How accurate are the stats? Who knows! Jane´s has somethings on WWII, but could not find anything specific to weapons of WWII.

Red

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Red, I haven't been ignoring you.
Thanks for the book suggestion, I'll spend some time sourcing that out.
See what I can find.

muchos gracias amigo

Major Mess


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RE: I wonder if I can get a bit of help here. - 10/10/2018 10:13:01 AM   
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