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Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/9/2018 1:45:30 PM

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Sadly, another navy has suffered a collision that will likely sink the frigate. No word on casualties during the collision but all crew have been taken off the ship.
The short video shows tugboats pushing the ship against the shore to try to stop it capsizing, but the picture below shows a much increased list that may mean the ship is a write-off.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46136564

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/9/2018 2:27:13 PM

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Damage to electricals. Emergency repairs falling. Ship scuttled.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/9/2018 5:32:43 PM

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Ideal ship movement is horizontal, not rotational along an axis.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/9/2018 5:41:31 PM

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Damn shame.

That wipes out, what, 10% of their 'blue water' capabilities? Hope it can be salvaged.

ETA: Looks like an Aegis-like foremast. Are they running that on their frigates?

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/9/2018 6:26:35 PM

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Damage to electricals. Emergency repairs falling. Ship scuttled.

Nothing Scotty couldn't handle.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/9/2018 6:27:01 PM

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Damn shame. That wipes out, what, 10% of their 'blue water' capabilities? Hope it can be salvaged.

ETA: Looks like an Aegis-like foremast. Are they running that on their frigates?

I fear that it might even be a bigger percentage of their 'blue water' capabilities. However, it is tough for me to rate the 'blue water' capability of their smaller vessels. Now there are only 4 frigates left in active service.

Although the Norwegian Navy is still a formidable 'blue water' force compared to the Swedish, so called, Navy.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/9/2018 6:27:56 PM

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Thank you, BBfanboy, for sharing.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/9/2018 7:11:00 PM

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Damn shame. That wipes out, what, 10% of their 'blue water' capabilities? Hope it can be salvaged.

ETA: Looks like an Aegis-like foremast. Are they running that on their frigates?

Interestingly enough, yes they are.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/9/2018 7:34:17 PM

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I dannae if she can take any more, Captain!

Hope everyone is OK! Seems all the crew was evacuated with only a few minor injuries.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24776/badly-damaged-norwegian-frigate-intentionally-ran-aground-after-tanker-collision

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6371147/Norwegian-frigate-warned-collision-course-tanker-said-Weve-got-control.html

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 3:02:05 PM

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I dannae if she can take any more, Captain!

Hope everyone is OK! Seems all the crew was evacuated with only a few minor injuries.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24776/badly-damaged-norwegian-frigate-intentionally-ran-aground-after-tanker-collision

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6371147/Norwegian-frigate-warned-collision-course-tanker-said-Weve-got-control.html

Looks like the Captain and a few of the crew are going to have their pay docked for a while.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 3:17:23 PM

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What are the rammifications of this accident?

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 3:37:37 PM

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I don't doubt that people will be butting heads and locking horns.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 3:41:08 PM

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I don't doubt that people will be butting heads and locking horns.

Why not? We have two Bullwinkles now. Let them them fight for dominance and mating privileges!

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 4:30:52 PM

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Hi, I think they are going to fix my account so I get Mogami back. However I was Bullwinkle on forums in 2005 because that is how people refer to me in person. No one calls me Mogami. My own kids call me Bullwinkle. I am a peaceful moose no need for violence.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 4:45:48 PM

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" No Need for Violence" would make a nice AAR title.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 4:52:25 PM

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"Need for Violence" would make a nice AAR title.

I fixed that for you.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 5:22:20 PM

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quote:

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I don't doubt that people will be butting heads and locking horns.

Why not? We have two Bullwinkles now. Let them them fight for dominance and mating privileges!

Rip Van Bullwinkle? Mo Mo Mogami?

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 7:46:53 PM

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Damn shame. That wipes out, what, 10% of their 'blue water' capabilities? Hope it can be salvaged.

ETA: Looks like an Aegis-like foremast. Are they running that on their frigates?

Yep. Spain has a cottage industry doing that. They made some for their Navy, then some for Norway (I think made in Spain) and it is one of the candidates for the next generation US FFX program.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 7:52:09 PM

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"We've got control?" Reminds me of the old spiel (don't know if it is true or not) about a US aircraft carrier on a CBDR (Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range) vector with something on the radar. The carrier keeps on telling the radar contact to change course and the final bit is, "We're a lighthouse."

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/10/2018 8:16:23 PM

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Rammed by a Maltese tanker? The birth of ATK (attack tanker) class?

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/12/2018 2:03:25 AM

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I don't doubt that people will be butting heads and locking horns.

Why not? We have two Bullwinkles now. Let them them fight for dominance and mating privileges!

I was trying to continue the puns.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/12/2018 2:08:54 AM

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what if there is no butting of the horns? what if

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/12/2018 6:56:22 PM

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what if there is no butting of the horns? what if

Not sure how you were going to end that post.

But before you go there, horning of the butts is not allowed here.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/12/2018 8:37:27 PM

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Sadly, another navy has suffered a collision that will likely sink the frigate. No word on casualties during the collision but all crew have been taken off the ship.
The short video shows tugboats pushing the ship against the shore to try to stop it capsizing, but the picture below shows a much increased list that may mean the ship is a write-off.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46136564

Not so bad. Most of that will buff out.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/12/2018 9:41:47 PM

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"We've got control?" Reminds me of the old spiel (don't know if it is true or not) about a US aircraft carrier on a CBDR (Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range) vector with something on the radar. The carrier keeps on telling the radar contact to change course and the final bit is, "We're a lighthouse."

An urban legend.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighthouse_and_naval_vessel_urban_legend

From wikipedia:
A commonly circulated version goes thus:

This is the transcript of a radio conversation of a US naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995. Radio conversation released by the Chief of Naval Operations 10-10-95.

Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.
Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.
Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.
Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course.
Americans: This is the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, the second largest ship in the United States' Atlantic fleet. We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers and numerous support vessels. I demand that YOU change your course 15 degrees north, that's one five degrees north, or countermeasures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship.
Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call.

Other vessels sometimes named in the transcript include the carriers Enterprise, Coral Sea and Nimitz, and the Missouri, a battleship. The location of the exchange has also sometimes been claimed to be Puget Sound, or off the coast of North Carolina, some other times the lighthouse is located at Cape Finisterre (Spain). (The Spanish version expands the joke by having the lighthouse keeper respond to the aircraft carrier's inventory of the fleet by saying he's accompanied by "our dog, our food, two beers, and a canary that's currently asleep.") Some versions relocate it to the Irish or Scottish coasts; in the former case the ship is sometimes identified as British, with the conversation taking place off the coast of Kerry in 1998.There is sometimes an additional line of dialogue where the lighthouse keeper tells the ship captain he is a Seaman First Class before the final exchange. The prefatory information sometimes notes it was released in response to a request under the Freedom of Information Act, and/or names Jeremy Boorda, the incumbent Chief of Naval Operations on the stated date.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/12/2018 10:11:49 PM

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The Honda Point disaster was the largest peacetime loss of U.S. Navy ships. On the evening of September 8, 1923, seven destroyers, while traveling at 20 knots (37 km/h), ran aground at Honda Point
USS Delphy was equipped with a radio navigation receiver, but her navigator and captain ignored its indicated bearings, believing them to be erroneous.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/13/2018 1:17:09 AM

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The Honda Point disaster was the largest peacetime loss of U.S. Navy ships. On the evening of September 8, 1923, seven destroyers, while traveling at 20 knots (37 km/h), ran aground at Honda Point
USS Delphy was equipped with a radio navigation receiver, but her navigator and captain ignored its indicated bearings, believing them to be erroneous.

This is recounted in the book, Course 095 to Eternity.

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/13/2018 8:15:42 AM

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At least no people got lost in the incident. Too often maritime collisions bring horrendous losses if a ship is hit by a bulbous bow of another, like the one which caused russian passenger ship Admiral Nakhimoff to sink in 1986...

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/14/2018 6:19:10 AM

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Hi all,

Unfortunately she sunk during the last night...

https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2018/11/latest-frigate-helge-ingstad-sinks

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: Here We Go Again - A Norwegian Frigate Rammed - 11/14/2018 6:30:33 AM

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Well the Norwegians raised the Kursk from deep water, so they should be able to lift this ship and put her on a heavy lift ship like the one that carried USS Cole home after the attack by terrorists.