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A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pentak... - 11/9/2018 9:52:23 AM   
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So, here is my first PBEM game for since a long time. We agreed for a russian language one vs Pentakomo.

We selected scenario 2 for the go. Exact set of HRs is now being decided upon.

I have found a few mentions that he is an extremely aggressive player, and that would be fun to play. I also want to avoid the Sir Robin, and make sure I can hurt him as much as I can until the Essex class carriers arrive.

I am not sure if he is going to go for PH, Philippines or DEI with KB on the first turn.

Does anyone have experience playing against him?
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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/9/2018 10:10:22 AM   
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Nice title

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/9/2018 12:05:08 PM   
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So, the house rules are set:

1. No invasion without dot/base.
2. No sub invasion.
3. No bombing of China industry.
4. No atomic bombing of Tokio.
5. No night strafes (alt=100).
6. Air combat ceiling max is 30k (except recon and search planes) .
7. 4E LB dont attack below 10k.
8. Full PP cost paid for restricted units when crossing national borders (except Royal Thai Army in Malaya and Burma).
9. No night bombing of industry before 1943.
10. Carrier air groups on carriers can be resized up to 45 planes (as whole group which fly from carrier as one unit), all groups can be resized up to 54 planes (except predefined size).
11. E8N can be used on submarine.
12. One target per paratroop unit each turn, no new target if unit dont gathered together.
13. 4E LB dont attack ground troops in struggling hexes (where both side have troops).


Settings are:
Advanced Weather on
Allied Damage Control on
PDU on
Historical first turn on
Dec.7 surprise on
Reliable torps off
Realistic rnd on
No withdrawals off
Reinforcements variable +-15

The game will be latest official patch.

As everything is agreed, Pentakomo started processing his turn. As it is historical, I think not much he can do, I expect his second turn to be much longer.


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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/9/2018 12:13:41 PM   
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3. No bombing of China industry".

I know eveyrbody adds this rule, but HI ( representing Chinese arsenals producing for the war effort) and Manpower (representing civilian population) should be subject to bombing campaign. You can always feed the Chinese army by the means of LI and the Ledo airbridge. This will also add some urgency for reopening Burma Road and the whole Ledo air campaign.


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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/9/2018 12:48:09 PM   
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Well, that was his proposal, not mine ;)
I can live with this.

Just got his first turn.

I am also going to try a small trick which I saw in other AAR - I am going to run many individual freighters and also many fleet subs to different chinese ports with supply, from Philippines, HK and maybe even DEI. The guy who made this managed to get around 50k extra supply to China this way.

My general plan is to try the following:
Fight delaying action in DEI and Solomons as long as possible, try to stick to Indian border. If I can, I would try to evac as much as possible from there, if not, then well, its gone then. I am going to try a patrol "field" with catalinas, AVP/AVD/AV at dot bases. As long as I know the KB is far, I am going to make some agressive moves against his shipping.

If he is really as agressive as I heard, I would also try to use it, as it could expose his flanks



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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/9/2018 1:39:29 PM   
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1st point is intriguing...but it requires a greater numbe of dot bases on coastlines.

I limit 4 Eng groud attack to no higher than 7 or 6 k feet..

Point 13 interesting too;

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/9/2018 2:00:48 PM   
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Dot bases are ok, landing on the bare coast is not.

13 I accepted, as I barely use the 4E Bombers for ground support. I mainly go for ports and airfields with them, or if I can for industry. Blasting the troops in open hexes with them is done, but rare.

The rule about the min altitude for 4E is the main hurting my style of play... I often used B17 and B24 on 1000ft naval, and if trained, it can be devastating. But in reality not many cases where they were used as such. McCullar and his B-17F Black Jack duel with IJN Hayashio is the best example how it could be done, a duel of one destroyer vs one lone B17... Both left the battlefield in wrecked condition, but while the B17 made it home to Port Moresby, Hayashio burned and was scuttled next day by Shiratsuyu.

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/9/2018 8:19:26 PM   
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So, I just got replay, and it went as bad as it only can go for allies. 5 Battleships at least go down - Repulse, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Oklahoma and Maryland, as well as several destroyers. The only big plus is that nothing attacks Manila, so all subs there are intact. POW ate 3 torps, and I dont yet know if she would be able to limp home... One plus is that one of the attack waves on the POW/Repulse was completely chewed by Buffalos.

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Midget Sub attack inside harbor of Pearl Harbor!!!

Japanese Ships
SSX Ha-22, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Torpedo hits 1

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 68
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 126

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 12 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 3 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 6 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 66 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 9 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 42 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 8 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 104 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 9 destroyed on ground
C-33: 1 damaged
C-33: 1 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 41 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 3 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 47 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 2 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 31 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 9 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 15 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 3 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 11 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 15 damaged
O-47A: 3 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 12 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 4 damaged
SNJ-3 Texan: 2 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Tangier
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk
BB California, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CM Oglala, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AV Wright, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAKL Hirondelle
AV Curtiss
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 10, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Tautog, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
AE Pyro, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DM Sicard, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AG Argonne, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Bagley, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DM Gamble, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DMS Trevor, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AR Medusa, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Narwhal, Bomb hits 1
DM Breese, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AS Pelias, Bomb hits 1
DD Downes, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Tucker, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Mugford, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Repair Shipyard hits 4
Airbase hits 62
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 101

Morning Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 52,82

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 27

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 1
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Morning Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 52,82

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 25,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 9

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 6 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, heavy damage
BC Repulse

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 52,82

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 21

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk


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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/12/2018 7:28:06 AM   
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While my jap opponent plans his turn, he asked for 2-3 days there, I am thinking about my immediate actions. I did not play PBEMs for ages, so would be happy to hear your opinions.


DEI - Extract as much as I can on as little PP as I can. Last time I played I got out all 6 KNIL Regiments and most base forces, plus some batallions. I used them as Garrison forces, to replace more valuable units. Most went to Christmas Island IO, placing around 500 AV there with CD guns and AA under heavy forts, plus 4 squadrons of fighters, and a group of Wellingtons trained on low level naval attack+squadron of A24. Some smaller fast freighters were running supplies in from Capetown directly. Takeable of course, but can be a pain in the flank of DEI. The rest went to build similar "Flank fort" at the Port Blair, together with an Indian brigade from Singapore. My opponent tried his best to reduce it to shambles by bombers and surface bombardments, pushing out my fighter planes out of there some day, but his first invasion failed, and the supply was brought in by Catalinas from Calcutta in an amount to keep them firing. CD guns also shot up a few his ships, while minelayers kept placing mines which blasted a CL to sink and damaged a few other bombardment ships. AA guns downed a few dozens of Sallies and Lilys. I might try to do it once more. Most evacs were done by individual small ships loaded with whatever unit is available. Enemy bombers are often reluctant to select a lone tiny xAKL as a target, and even if they fly, they kill one out of 50 working as a stream to bring the boys out. More problems were done when he set the Zeros to strafe at 100 ft, but they were then easy prey for P40 cap traps in this mode... As many engineers as manageable are to go to Palembang - no HRs on this part.

Singapore - evac to Ceylon and Port Blair, either by Malacca straights, or over DEI.

Philippine - evac as much as I can over 3 ways - one south, one going through islands to the east to Hawaii or Aleutians, one going around north end of PI to Aleutians. I also had some success to run individual ships towards Palembang along the north coast of Borneo. Also, a number of slow ships are to load supplies on north borneo coast, Philippines, and Hong Kong and run individual ship streams to the available chinese ports before he takes them.

Pacific: Garrison Noumea/Koumac, Suva/Nadi as reasonable. Set up convoy system - I usually go for 2 routes - one going East coast->PH->Suva->Sydney and one East coast->PH->Tahiti->Aukland. Build up Tahiti. Place forward garrisons at Luganville and Ndeni, Canton and Baker islands, Pago Pago. Set up CatPatrols with AV/AVD/AVP at dot bases with screen. Get as many 4E bombers together. Just a question where to get them in first way. Go for Australia? Bring them to India? Fight to Death Perimeter would be New Caledonia-Fiji-PagoPago-Canton-Palmyra->Hawaii. I would also ship as many troops as I can spare to India.

Burma/India - let small useless units to delay instant catches, and move the usable units to India. I am going to make a stand at Akyab-Imphal line. That line is going to be fortified, as many units would go there as I can get. Ceylon is to be fortified, too. I would probably keep some units like indian armored divisions back, training and acting as a reserve in case of south or west coast invasion.

China - make the guys roll for a defensive position in a good terrain, try holding Changsha. Try moving in some Corps to the bases with good terrain. Let them build up and gather switchable units on the Burma border, maybe to attack his flank in Burma if I can later switch them.

I am also going to use the CapTraps as much as I can.

Carriers would be pulled together to one battle group, both brits and americans. I am going to make them actively raid his backyards when the KB is not there. To beef up air groups I would drop in a squadron of Marines on board.


Its my first game with withdrawals - is there a way to see all of them in some way? I am trying to get the Tracker running, but I always had it crashing earlier, latest after a few turns.






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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/12/2018 5:12:22 PM   
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Good luck looking forward to seeing how this develops.

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/12/2018 5:41:28 PM   
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For Tracker - try the WiTPTrackerNoMap batch file. Sometimes people have low memory issues on their home computers...





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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/12/2018 6:32:54 PM   
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Yeah, I read in the first turn with no map batch. A bit a pity that no x64 version exists, as it would avoid memory issues. 32bit version cant address all the memory I have - 64GB RAM installed on my PC as I am doing model kit development in 3D ....

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/12/2018 6:46:31 PM   
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There is a way to get tracker to work on an x64 version while retaining use of the map version if you follow the instructions on the tracker website.

TRACKER SUPPORT

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/13/2018 4:36:09 AM   
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I consider Suva/Nadi to be the linchpin of the South Pacific defense - you have a pair of level 9 airfields side by side for mutual support. Vava'u is my favorite central supply hub, with Samoa (Pago Pago and Savaii) as the main defense bases to the northeast of Vava'u. While Noumea and Koumac make for another strong base, trying to defend them against an early IJN invasion force supported by the Kido Butai may be beyond the USN's capabilities. I would not recommend losing your carriers in an attempt to hold New Caledonia - it can be recaptured at a later date.

YMMV

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/13/2018 7:46:13 AM   
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quote:

There is a way to get tracker to work on an x64 version while retaining use of the map version if you follow the instructions on the tracker website.

Thanks, it starts with map too, but then dumps exceptions all around. As a professional software architect, I understand well why it happens, but cant change much there.
I actually developed similar (but by far not that extensive) tool many, many years ago in the Uncommon Valor times, but never really finished it....


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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/13/2018 8:00:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I consider Suva/Nadi to be the linchpin of the South Pacific defense - you have a pair of level 9 airfields side by side for mutual support. Vava'u is my favorite central supply hub, with Samoa (Pago Pago and Savaii) as the main defense bases to the northeast of Vava'u. While Noumea and Koumac make for another strong base, trying to defend them against an early IJN invasion force supported by the Kido Butai may be beyond the USN's capabilities. I would not recommend losing your carriers in an attempt to hold New Caledonia - it can be recaptured at a later date.

YMMV


Suva/Nadi is of course a very decent place to hold. I would be defending it at first line. Noumea/LaFoa/Koumac is not bad, but can be retaken later, thats true.

I never used Vavau before, will take a deeper look on the base when back home.

Especially taking the extreme agressive reputation of my opponent in consideration, Noumea might be a fast go by him, and thus problematic.

A few years ago I had a carrier battle in another PBEM near Suva, in February 42. I had nearly 200 P40/F4F/P36/P39 (most of PH and West Coast boys transiting to Australia/India) there flying 100% cap range 2 for training, and my 3 carriers (Lex/Sara/Yorktown) were 1 hex away. He wanted to raid my shipping there and came in with 6 CV KB. We did not see each other before the battle, as the weather was grave bad on the day before. He was just 3 hex away, so even devastators flew. 4 of the KB carriers went down with all planes and 2 were badly shot up and barely made it out, while I lost Yorktown to my error - i tried moving it out of Suva too early and it sunk on its way to PH. Lex and Sara were serviceable, had around 15 system and 1-2 flood/engine damage afterwards...
It would be very nice if I could repeat such a performance ;)



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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/14/2018 11:33:05 AM   
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Just received the Japanese 1st real turn back. Alex Pentakomo took a few days, but it is usual. Now my day in the office is spoiled, I cant wait to start ;)

Just a question in my head... should I reinforce the Aleutians, or stick to what's there... If to rush as much to India, to Oz, to Fiji/Noumea, how to set priorities...

I used to enjoy writing character storyline for my old PBEM many years ago, so it is time to get some character story writing ;)

Lieutenant Peter Joseph from USS Nevada was on leave. Graduating from Annapolis a few years ago, and having served as ensign and junior lieutenant on destroyers, he was recently assigned as a navigation officer on USS Nevada. His fiancée Kate was living in the Pearl city, and he spent the Saturday night with her and a few friends in a dance bar. As he woke up at her place, he realized he was getting terribly late to the flag rising, so after a short good bye kiss, he rushed out. Kate gave him the car key, so he could get faster to the harbor. As he started, he suddenly saw a squadron of airplanes passing over him. At first, he thought it was another training exercise at nearby Hickam field, but then he shuddered from shock - the planes had meatballs on their wings, and torpedoes under their bottoms. He pressed accelerator to follow them, and then had to duck under the dashboard, as one of the tail gunners riddled the car with his machine gun. When firing ceased, he rushed on towards the port, but it was too late. He saw explosions in the battleship row, and those were tremendous. Pennsylvania was just leaving the dry dock when she was hit by a torpedo which appeared out of nowhere. A few minutes later she was hit by a stick of bombs and a pair of further torpedoes, and exploded in a huge fireball. His own Nevada was struck by at least 6 torpedoes and several bombs, and turned turtle. All other battleships were also hit, burning or settling down. Cruisers on the other side, destroyer stacks, and auxiliaries - everything was on fire. Even the water was burning; the oil covered men were trying to swim away, as the fires consumed them... Thick black smoke with bright orange flames risen where the Hickam field and Ford island naval air stations were.
On the pier side, he met his younger brother Andy, who was an Ensign on the destroyer Bagley, and a few other officers and men. Some were crying, some cursing, but all of them struck with shock. Another flight of Japanese planes approached, and one of the officers suddenly started firing his pistol at the Kates. To everyone's surprise, the section leader aircraft exploded in a fireball, and burning debris rained on the crowd, but despite the pain, all men shouted a loud Hurray. Wounded were promptly attended by a civilian medic who was walking to visit his patient.

A small old pearl diving boat was parked nearby, so Peter shouted to the sailors to board it and go to help the survivors in the water. To their surprise, the boat even had a motor, and that was in working condition. Luckily, one of the sailors was an engineer of a motor whaleboat from DMS Breese, and was able to start. One by one, oil covered survivors were pulled aboard, and then landed on the coas. As they approached the pen-knifed USS Bagley, Peter noticed the tears in his brother's eyes - he lost many friends on board, and he realized that berserker anger was rising in him, and he would not stop fighting until those tears are avenged.

While unloading yet another batch of survivors, some dock workers approached them with acetylene torch equipment. They asked to be brought to Nevada - the capsized ship could probably contain some survivors inside. The boat took them on board, and rushed there. Peter went over to the red bottom of the ship which was his home just a few hours ago, and left Andy to continue with survivor pick up. Peter was not a big expert in the "guts" of his ship, but he had a very good sense of hearing. As he pressed an ear against the rough barnacles, he heard some voices and knocking, just a few yards away. Localizing them, he let the workers cut the steel plate, and in a few minutes he extracted the 3rd engineer and several seamen from their watery grave.. For the rest of the day and the night he went on trying to extract other people from the wreck, and in one occasion he even had to go down himself to extract a wounded man who was stuck between the piping....


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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/14/2018 12:21:42 PM   
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I just found another AAR with the same opponent on an italian forum... At least there, he went on pounding the PH until he sunk everything there! At least 5-6 attacks...

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/14/2018 1:30:17 PM   
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quote:

he went on pounding the PH until he sunk everything there! At least 5-6 attacks...


You can counter this with putting damaged ships to shipyard and all undamaged vessels can escape. Also after 6(actually more like 8) attacks his CVs will be out of sorties and vulnerable to your CV strike.

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/14/2018 1:45:10 PM   
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Would the ones in the shipyard not get hits? The rest would then exfiltrate in 1-2 ship TFs running away towards all directions except KB

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/14/2018 2:22:21 PM   
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quote:

Would the ones in the shipyard not get hits?


They would, but won't sink.

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/14/2018 3:01:56 PM   
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Aha, thats a good idea. Even if they are bombed to 99/99/99/99? ;)

Hopefully would do better then the USS Erie PG-50 in real life... turned turtle in the port during repairs...

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/15/2018 10:52:59 AM   
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Ships sink if their float or eng damage goes beyond 99. It doesn't matter if they are in the shipyard or not when that happens. However the shipyard might fix some of the damage between attacks and help the ship not get sunk.

If your ship has any fires they will be kicked out of the shipyard.

How does a ship "sink" in drydock?

I assume that the ship simply incurred so much structural damage that it is not battleworthy any more. One of the US battleships in real life suffered a magazine explosion at Pearl Harbor and they decided that it won't be fit for sailing again, even if they repair it. It actually sank "for real" in 1946 while being towed to the scrappers.

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/15/2018 11:04:53 AM   
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I've looked around the forum and it seems I was wrong. Yes, ships in drydock can be sunk(just never happened to me). But still have better chance to survive in drydock if IJN decides for multiple attacks.

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/15/2018 1:36:52 PM   
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Started to plan my turn yesterday. Quite a lot of damage at PH, but not much elsewhere.
At PH, I made a myriad of small task forces and set them to run away in all directions. Those who cant are placed to the shipyard.
I did the same for Philippine shipping - all ships set to run away except a few. Nearly all in one ship task forces to make it too much targets to sink. Some are sprinting at full speed to batavia, both north and south of Borneo, many are running for darwin by different pathes, and many are going around Phillipines or between the islands and aim for midway or Adak. To clear the danger zone, many use full speed. They would be turned down to mission speed in a few turns. The few units which are free HQ are being loaded on the transports..

I decided for a "gamey" gambit at Hong Kong. I made each AK an individual TF in Amphib mode, and started loading the garrison. Each unit is split between at least 3 ships, and they would also load supply. The destination is the french port near Tainan island, just to the west of HK. From there, the guys would march towards Burma. His troops are shown to march AWAY from HK, so maybe the transports can return and pick more supplies there later.

Most valuable ships in DEI sent towards Perth, the rest

I gather all the units in Singers, to reform the divisions, then all items I could switch would go to Burma, once more by single ship TFs. Usually Netties are too reluctant to go for a lone merchantman.

In Burma, I decided to retreat to the Burma Road, just leaving some tiny batallions to guard Rangoon and Moulmein.

B17th from Davao flew over to China, I am going to give them a chance to night bomb the IJN airfields.

The rest is to be planned yet ;)


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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/17/2018 2:27:58 AM   
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"One of the US battleships in real life suffered a magazine explosion at Pearl Harbor and they decided that it won't be fit for sailing again, even if they repair it. It actually sank "for real" in 1946 while being towed to the scrappers. "

The battleship which suffered the magazine explosion was the Arizona, whose hulk still lies in the mud at Pearl Harbor as a war grave/national monument. The Oklahoma capsized due to multiple torpedo hits and it was decided that she was too heavily damaged to be repaired. It was that ship that sank in a storm in 1947 while being towed to California for scrapping.

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/18/2018 8:21:50 PM   
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I just sent my turn to Alex, took me a while to do it - had to go for one day business trip to CBI war theatre/Trivandrum on friday...

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/19/2018 8:05:10 AM   
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After about 40 mins, I get the combatreport.txt and the replay, any time a day. I had no chance to see the replay yet, but the text looks to be very good for me, after so bad a first turn.

After some landing support at Kota Bharu, I first had some bad luck, a few TFs ran into mines at Bataan. Probably his sub.
PT-35, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
PT-32, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
PG Isabel, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
PG Asheville, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
Of course, the minesweepers came only later, and cleaned the mines.

Some IJN sub attacks on the map, near Lahaina, near Tanjoengpinang, and nar Hilo. At first, nothing hit. Some ASW action also went without results.

xAKL Kanlaon II was sunk by Myoko, Haguro, Nachi and 6 DDs near Dinagat, in Surigao Straights.

Then, one torpedo struck CL Raleigh near Hilo. I dont know if she sunk, but maybe she could at least disperse there.

Another disaster to expect then happened, and it was the finishing of damaged POW by Kongo and Haruna with 4 DDs.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Singapore at 51,84, Range 12,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Walrus II: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki
DD Shikinami, Shell hits 1
DD Ayanami

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Shell hits 17, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Express, Shell hits 1

An xAK went down due to Sub action near Hilo:

Submarine attack near Hilo at 184,110

Japanese Ships
SS I-19

Allied Ships
xAK Hoegh Merchant, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

A tanker was struck near Palembang
Submarine attack near Palembang at 49,90

Japanese Ships
SS I-121

Allied Ships
TK Semiramis, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

TK Semiramis is sighted by SS I-121
SS I-121 launches 4 torpedoes

and another xAKL killed by the same surface group as before:


Day Time Surface Combat, near Cagayan at 80,88, Range 19,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko
CA Haguro
CA Nachi
DD Kuroshio
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio
DD Hayashio
DD Amatsukaze

Allied Ships
xAKL Magallanes, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


Then some great news - my PT boats struck his invasion convoy at Laoag.
Day Time Surface Combat, near Laoag at 81,72, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Matsukawa Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Hokuan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Takaoka Maru
xAK Atlas Maru
PB Suyozai Maru
PB Toko Maru #4

Allied Ships
PT-41, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
PT Q-111
PT Q-112
PT Q-113

Japanese ground losses:
1046 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 129 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 64 (64 destroyed, 0 disabled)

A few other MTBs were however sunk by the cover force later:
Day Time Surface Combat, near Laoag at 78,69, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo
DD Murasame
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
MTB 7
MTB 8, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
MTB 9, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
MTB 10, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
MTB 11, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
MTB 12
MTB 26
MTB 27, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

A few contacts were done by evacuees which went over the northern end of Luzon. I fear he will try to catch them, but maybe not - they are running at flank speed towards Adak or Midway. AS Canopus and AM Lark are running individually there and contacted some convoys for no action.


Another small xAP was hit:


Submarine attack near Palembang at 49,90

Japanese Ships
SS I-121

Allied Ships
xAP Kedah, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage


I want to evac some guys from Singers, so left some xAKs in port. 40 Nells come, with 43 buffalos on cap. And NO FIGHT! What the hell? Were they too high at 30000? I was sure they would dive and hit.... I would probably layer the cap to 30k-20k-10k squadrons. 2 xAKs were hit by 1 bomb each.

Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 40

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Silverbeech, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Demodocus, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Some air attacks in China against my evacuees running to the mountains, and some my air attacks by Catalinas with torps and P-26As and Seagulls in strafe/low naval went with little result.

At Manila, some CAP action happened, with 3 Zero vs 7 Warhawks lost in first round, and 0-7 in second round. I would withdraw the Warhawks - no sense to loose them vs much more experienced enemy.

He attacked once more at PH.
First, a sweep by 18 Zeros, quite indecisive:
Afternoon Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 18

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 1
P-36A Mohawk x 18
P-40B Warhawk x 31
F4F-3 Wildcat x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed

Afternoon Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 113 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 48 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
B5N2 Kate x 103
D3A1 Val x 66

Allied aircraft
P-26A x 1
P-36A Mohawk x 12
P-40B Warhawk x 22
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed, 12 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-26A: 1 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 2 destroyed
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 3, heavy damage

Repair Shipyard hits 1
Port hits 5

It is probably not that bad, I hope the big boys dont get ejected from the shipyard.

Then, a pair of sweeps came to Singers:

Afternoon Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 38

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed


and
Afternoon Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 26

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 30000 feet *

It would be interested to see his Oplosses, they are usually high on Zeros.

Some ground bombing in Malaya followed, and some ineffective air attacks on his TFs by my boys, Cats with Torps and B-10s.

And then finally some effective attacks:


Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Siquijor at 78,87

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
PBY-4 Catalina x 4

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-4 Catalina: 3 damaged
PBY-4 Catalina: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko, Torpedo hits 1

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Laoag at 81,72

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Allied aircraft
SOC-1 Seagull x 4

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Takaoka Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SOC-1 Seagull bombing from 1000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 100 lb GP Bomb

A dutch sub added a bit more damage to him:
Sub attack near Singora at 51,72

Japanese Ships
xAK Nako Maru, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Kyushu Maru
xAK Kyokko Maru
xAK Kashii Maru
DMS W-6
DMS W-5

Allied Ships
SS KXVII

His sub added some damage on my so rare AD...
Sub attack near Hilo at 183,111

Japanese Ships
SS I-1

Allied Ships
AD Whitney, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AM Bobolink

He ejected chinese at Pengpu and took Kota Bharu, Laoag, Vigan and Makin then.

In total, better then I expected. Allied pilots suck, but sometimes do ok. Some good hits on his ships, and in long term it is going to pay out. Most of my runaways from Manila are still alive, and no contact made to china resupply xAKLs from Philippines or Hong Kong to Kwangchowan troop ferry. If those good units from Hong Kong and some 40-50k supplies make it out to China, it would be fantastic bonus for medium term. A few dozen smaller xAK and xAKLs are running for all 3 available chinese ports and then to Midway or Adak, in 1 ship TFs. Some would be lost, but its about 100k supplies on board in total.... Vital for China.

I started moving some free units from USA to the theatre. 8th Marine Reg is on its way to Suva, and an infantry regiment is moving to Noumea. Each is accompanied by at least one base force, and some Arty and construction units. I decided to place the 3 Aircobra and 3 Marauder groups from Eastern USA to CBI, using "Transfer to Cape Town". I am going to evac Burma, so the 1st Burma Div. is going to reunite and then move out. Reinforcements are redirected to either India, or Ceylon. With his agressive reputation, I fear an early strike to Ceylon alot.

I am regrouping many warships. All intact cruisers and new destroyers from PH go to Suva. NZ, Australian, French and US ships in South are meeting at Lunga. As long as his KB is away, I am going to raid some convoys there.

Just for fun, I renamed all ships called "Xxx II" in the pipeline to appropriate Confederate names ;)
So we will see CVs Jefferson Davis, Pierre Beauregard and Robert Lee, and cruisers like Merrimac in 43.











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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/19/2018 10:10:53 AM   
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- Here is CV Jackson standing like a stone wall!
(the sound of incoming Jap dive bombers)

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RE: A storm to stop! PetrOs (A) vs Pentakomo (J) (No Pe... - 11/19/2018 10:45:41 AM   
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That name would imply the armored deck, but you cant rename Brits or Midway class :)

I actually renamed one to Stonewall Jackson :)

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