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Slightly OT real world Navy question - 12/7/2018 4:37:55 PM

GI Jive

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I know there's a lot of knowledgeable folks on the forum regarding the U.S. Navy. Reading some of the stories about current ops he seems as if many involve single U.S. destroyers traveling through contested areas or conflict zones. Somehow I assumed that combat ships usually operated as part of task forces, even if they were only 2-3 ships strong. Is the use of single ship ops a new thing or was it always happening?

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RE: Slightly OT real world Navy question - 12/7/2018 4:56:11 PM

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Always happening. But usually part of a larger action, as well.

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RE: Slightly OT real world Navy question - 12/7/2018 7:05:49 PM

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The trend towards ships operating independently has also grown over the years. Consider that a modern "destroyer" is roughly the same tonnage as a WW2 heavy cruiser and is designed to perform a wide range of tasks as opposed to the slightly more purpose-built ships of WW2.

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RE: Slightly OT real world Navy question - 12/7/2018 9:40:59 PM

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(I'm not sure if it still takes place but back in the 80s)

Most nations claim a 12 mile customs zone(US)/territorial sea. Cuba claimed a 13 mile territorial sea. The United States did not recognize any claim by any nation beyond 12 miles so a US warship (including US Coast Guard) would, every so often, sail within about 12.0001 miles of the Cuban coast/offshore islands. Sailing a warship within the territorial sea of another country is an act of war if that country decides to enforce its claim to a larger territorial sea. Because Cuba chose not to enforce its claim the US (and in fact all nations) acted as if the Cubans claimed only a 12 mile territorial sea.

It was only a single US warship but Cuba would have had to declare war on the US to enforce its claim to a larger territorial sea. For some reason they didn't do that.

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RE: Slightly OT real world Navy question - 12/7/2018 11:14:00 PM

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Navies deploy different in times of peace thsn times of war

I doubt a single DD would got into a hot area if there is a crisis brewing. I don't know how is NATO deploying on the black sea, but I bet it is at very high levels of alertness and with support nearby

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RE: Slightly OT real world Navy question - 12/7/2018 11:45:16 PM

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How long does it take for an F-15 (1980s tech) to get to Havana from Homestead AFB near Miami?

The Cubans did assert their territorial claims against the Bahamians. Couple of MIGs shot the Bahamain PB FLAMINGO to pieces and sank it. Strangely the USN sent a lone DD to "patrol" 12.001 miles off the Cuban coast shortly thereafter.

www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1980/05/12/4-die-as-cubans-sink-patrol-boat-in-the-bahamas/4a7874c6-e55c-4c0b-84f5-ed37d47d5958/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cdaabdaee9b2

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RE: Slightly OT real world Navy question - 12/9/2018 3:12:38 PM

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My sea time was in the 1980s (I'm old) but my ammunition ship did a LOT of independent steaming. In one set of war games we changed sides. But a lot of to the battle group (or groups) in the area. Back to a port to get stuff, operate with the battle group, then back to port.

There was one deployment in the Indian Ocean with us and two west coast UNREP ships. The port that they flew men, high value equipment and mail into was in Oman, and we didn't dock, we just moved things via helicopter. The West Coast ships (2 Sea Knights between them) had 1 or 0 working helicopters so we got to do a LOT of steaming at full speed because the plan was to have UNREP ship A show up from Oman, move things to UNREP ship B first, UNREP ship B would head to Oman and UNREP ship A would take care of everyone else. We needed to do all the stuff.

My warship was a reserve frigate and we traveled alone sometimes, with other ships one time. We had the whole squadron (2 KNOX, 2 FFG7) out when a Victor 3 tried to catch a missile sub pulling out of the Seattle area base. A P3 found him and we put a LOT of noise in the water. He must have been wondering what was wrong with the Americans, we normally let them know we knew they were there but we just hunted this guy.

But I haven't been on a warship since 1987 so things have probably changed.

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