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RE: 4 player game - 12/1/2018 8:07:14 PM   
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RE: 4 player game - 12/1/2018 8:13:01 PM   
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Air Rebase:
Germany:
FTR2, Genoa -> 61,27
FTR2, 54,30 -> 53,30

Italy
FTR2,Cagliari -> La Spezia

Japan
Tac2, Kweiyang -> 87,133

No reorganization.

End of Turn (less than 8) -> 7

Turn ended.


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RE: 4 player game - 12/1/2018 8:58:27 PM   
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RE: 4 player game - 12/1/2018 8:58:52 PM   
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RE: 4 player game - 12/1/2018 8:59:28 PM   
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RE: 4 player game - 12/1/2018 9:02:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Both German pact markers go into the offensive pool. One pact marker is moved from defense to offense.

USSR marker to offense.

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RE: 4 player game - 12/1/2018 9:08:51 PM   
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Partisan appears to Burma. Where do you want to place it?


On the oil field.

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RE: 4 player game - 12/1/2018 9:10:08 PM   
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Units destroyed




I think that the warlord was a Chinese unit when it was destroyed, and changed nationality after.

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RE: 4 player game - 12/2/2018 8:23:45 AM   
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RE: 4 player game - 12/3/2018 8:26:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		German end of turn:

Preliminary planning:
No German changes needed. produces for 18 BPs.

All CPs stay at sea.

FTR2 return to Malta.

Oil reorganisation:
All German units are reorganized, except ARM in Budapest, and LND2 in Palermo, for two oil (2.4). Use oil saved in Berlin.

Breakdown:
None

Production:
Germany (18):
MIL
MTN Div
2 x ARM
Pilot

Germany installs a Vichy government.

Germany destroys two blue factories in Lille, one in Nantes, and one in Paris.

Reinforcements:

Germany:
FTR3 (Bf 110E) -> Stuttgart

Axis goes first if we win the initiative. No re-roll.

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RE: 4 player game - 12/3/2018 8:31:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vichy creation:

Relocate German units in Vichy:
5-2 MIL -> 62,33
2 x 7-4 INF + 2-3 AT -> 61,24
FTR2 -> 61.25
Remaining units to hexes North of Rundstedt (HQA)

Relocate Italian units in Vichy:
4-5 MOT -> 58,31

In Algeria if Vichy:
INF -> 74,34
Italian HQI -> 74,34

All French units at sea move, if possible, to Marseilles. Otherwise to closest Vichy port (if possible).

French ships rebasing move, if possible, to Marseilles.

Put the pilot in the NAV2 and place it in Marseilles.

Picture of moving French units in Vichy to the force pool.




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RE: 4 player game - 12/3/2018 8:33:57 PM   
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If Algeria becomes Vichy controlled.

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RE: 4 player game - 12/4/2018 3:54:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Preliminary planning:
Italy - No changes needed - 8 BPs
Japan - No changes needed - 15 BPs

Stay at sea:
The following units stay at sea.

Italy

Italian Cost
CA Duca D'Aosta
CA Pola

East Med
CA Trento
CA Eugenio Di Savoia

NOTE West Med NOTE
CP Does not sentry! (Return to port)

Japan

China Sea
BB Yamashiro
CA Idzumo
CA Tone

Return to base:

Italy

CP West Med -> La Spezia
SUB East Cost -> St-Nazaire
SUB Cape St Vincent -> St-Nazaire
CA West Med San Giorgia -> Trieste
NAV East Med -> 69,45 (SE) Tirana
ALL THE Rest to -> La Spezia


Japan

CA Mikuma South China Sea -> Canton
FTR2 China Sea -> 63, 152 (2 hexes from Changchun)
CA Kumano China Sea -> Shanghai
BB Hyuga China Sea -> Haichow
All THE Rest to -> Fukuoka

Use Oil:

Japan:
Japan reorganize all except, TRS Shanghai and CA in Canton, and BB plus 2 CA in Fukuoka, for one oil in Kyoto. (1.4)

Destroy factory at Nanking

Italy:
Reorganize all, except HQA (Graziani) for 2 oil in Milan. (2.45)

Production

Italy (8)
BB Impero face up(3)
PIL (2)
NAV3 (3)

Japan (15)
TER (2)
WAR (2)
ENG (3)
NAV2 (2)
PIL (2)
BB face down(2) Shinano
CVP1 (1)
CP (1)

Reinforcments

Japan
MTN Fukuoka
MOT Fukuoka
AT Fukuoka
FTR2(A6M2) Kobe
FTR2 (KI-27) Sapporo
TER (Harbin)

Italy
TRS Trieste
TAC3 Taranto


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RE: 4 player game - 12/4/2018 10:25:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've got a situation with CW production. If you take a look at the screenshot it appears that there are 18 PP's and enough cp's to run 2 oil to Uk to produce or to save. However when I try to send 2 oil from US to UK to save them there MWIF drops production to 16. Any idea how to manage this?




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RE: 4 player game - 12/4/2018 12:29:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		The reason for the drop in production is because MWIF wants to ship the oil you save in UK through the Bay of Biscay. Hence a resource to a factory in UK is lost because the CP in Bay of Biscay is overburdened.

Ordering the saved oil to ship the route through the Faeroes Gap instead of Bay of Biscay should, hopefully, solve this issue.





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RE: 4 player game - 12/4/2018 7:32:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are my instructions. I can also do turn end with CW instructions.


France and USSR turn end:


Prelim Prod
France: Save US oil to Caribbean (Fort-de-France, Martinique)


Stay at sea and RTB
France
All CPs and CAs stays at sea
2x BB from NA to Bayonne
BB from CSV to Bayonne
CA from CSV box 0 to Mogador
Fighter from West Med to east of Oran 74,24
(all these where planned moves before I knew Vichy is declared)

USSR
Subs to Vladivostok


Oil use
USSR reorg all for 2 oil points (Persian oils that cannot be saved)
France reorg all for 2 oil point (oil in Toulouse)


Production
USSR 15
Sub 2nd
Pilot
INF x3
MIL


Reinforcements
USSR places pilot to (4 factor) I-16

MIL
CAV to Minsk
3-3 INF to Baku
FTR to Vladivostok
2x INF to Vladivostok
ARM to Blagovyeshchensk
2x sub to Vladivostok

2x fort to Odessa, facing NE and NW


Recourse lending
If France has any recources that can reach UK, send them to UK

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RE: 4 player game - 12/5/2018 1:01:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok Thanks Orm - will have a look at that or let you do it if you process EOT.

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RE: 4 player game - 12/5/2018 5:47:06 AM   
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RE: 4 player game - 12/7/2018 5:13:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		US/CW turn end:

Ok here are instructions RTB
US; TRS to Norfolk
TRS to San Diego
CW:
4 box FG to Liverpool
CA E Med to Suez
TRS USEC to Casblanca
planes E Med to Gib
N Atl: Glasgow to British Antilles. other ships 3 box to Gib. Hermes, Rodney, Ramilles to Gib. Cornwall to Liverpool. Barham to Scapa Flow
N Sea: Valient to Liverpool
BoB: Hawkins, Shropshire to Halifax. Sheffield to Gib. CV's + BB's to Liverpool. Queens to Casablanca.
CSV: Canberra, SUB to Gib. Glorious to Liverpool. Belfast to British Antilles. Dutch TRS to Liverpool.
Moz Chan: Dutch SUB to Jamestown, St Helena.
CVB: Southampton to Halifax.
Bay Bengal: TRS to Capetown.

Builds:
CH: INF
US: BB[fd], TRS[fd], CV[fu](Hornet), 1cp
CW: I'll do those so I can adjust BP by +2 but I think I cannot get rid of the saved BP so we'll have to figure out what to do with that later. When Axis capture it maybe they can build 1 less?

Trade:
cancel US lending to France.

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RE: 4 player game - 12/7/2018 5:24:28 PM   
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Use Oil:

Japan:
Japan reorganize all except, TRS Shanghai and CA in Canton, and BB plus 2 CA in Fukuoka, for one oil in Kyoto. (1.4)


Minor problems with instructions or with the one reading them

After reorg all planes and land units I have ships left.

I found folowing ships:
TRS in Shanghai
CA in Canton
BB in Fukuoka
one CA in Fukuoka

Japan can reorg 2 more units and they have 3 units left:
BB in Haichow
CA in Shanghai
TRS in Fukuoka

How do we proceed?

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RE: 4 player game - 12/7/2018 5:49:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reorg:BB in Haichow , TRS in Fukuoka . Please

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RE: 4 player game - 12/7/2018 5:54:57 PM   
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quote:

Use Oil:

Japan:
Japan reorganize all except, TRS Shanghai and CA in Canton, and BB plus 2 CA in Fukuoka, for one oil in Kyoto. (1.4)


Minor problems with instructions or with the one reading them

After reorg all planes and land units I have ships left.

I found folowing ships:
TRS in Shanghai
CA in Canton
BB in Fukuoka
one CA in Fukuoka

Japan can reorg 2 more units and they have 3 units left:
BB in Haichow
CA in Shanghai
TRS in Fukuoka

How do we proceed?

All those units for just one oil? Awesome.

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RE: 4 player game - 12/7/2018 5:57:47 PM   
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Builds:
CW: I'll do those so I can adjust BP by +2 but I think I cannot get rid of the saved BP so we'll have to figure out what to do with that later. When Axis capture it maybe they can build 1 less?



I thought it was 1 BP.

And Axis will not capture it. Although it might turn CW and that might, perhaps, solve the issue.

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RE: 4 player game - 12/7/2018 6:30:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mayhemizer

Builds:
CW: I'll do those so I can adjust BP by +2 but I think I cannot get rid of the saved BP so we'll have to figure out what to do with that later. When Axis capture it maybe they can build 1 less?



I thought it was 1 BP.

And Axis will not capture it. Although it might turn CW and that might, perhaps, solve the issue.

CW should be compensated only 1 BP (the one that is in Bordeaux now).

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RE: 4 player game - 12/7/2018 6:35:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		CW reorg all but 2 ships for 7,4 oil.
US reorg all with for 0,9 oil.

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RE: 4 player game - 12/8/2018 1:53:56 PM   
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SaS:
USEC: devonshire.
n atl: gloucester
csv: kent, argus, australia
bob: fiji, exeter
fg: revenge, nigeria

RTB:

US; TRS to Norfolk
TRS to San Diego

CW:
4 box FG to Liverpool
CA E Med to Suez
TRS USEC to Casblanca
planes E Med to Gib
N Atl: Glasgow to British Antilles. other ships 3 box to Gib. Hermes, Rodney, Ramilles to Gib. Cornwall to Liverpool. Barham to Scapa Flow
N Sea: Valient to Liverpool
BoB: Hawkins, Shropshire to Halifax. Sheffield to Gib. CV's + BB's to Liverpool. Queens to Casablanca.
CSV: Canberra, SUB to Gib. Glorious to Liverpool. Belfast to British Antilles. Dutch TRS to Liverpool.
Moz Chan: Dutch SUB to Jamestown, St Helena.
CVB: Southampton to Halifax.
Bay Bengal: TRS to Capetown.

Builds:
CH:[4] INF
US:[16] BB[fd], TRS[fd], CV[fu](Hornet), 1cp, save 8
CW:[15] 2xBB[fd],AMPH[fd],LND4,PIL,FTR2,MIL

Trade:
cancel US lending to France.

Reinf:
Ind MOT -> Karachi
Alexander HQI -> Liverpool
SA INF -> Capetown
CW PIL into 4 range Nimrod then Nimrod on any empty CV at Liverpool
CW PIL into 3 range Nimrod then Nimrod on any empty CV at Liverpool
US GAR -> San Diego
Indiana BB -> San Diego


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RE: 4 player game - 12/8/2018 5:11:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		US entry roll for Vichy was 10, only 1 marker.

Here is result for Vichy/Free France.

New home country for France is French Guyana




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RE: 4 player game - 12/8/2018 5:37:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't really understand rules related to Vichy creation and ships being overrun, but game tells me where to rebase them. There is no choice at all

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RE: 4 player game - 12/8/2018 5:41:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I follow instructions, one less unit needs to be selected. Which one is excluded? Maybe this has something to do with rolling differently with Free France/Vichy?




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RE: 4 player game - 12/8/2018 5:43:09 PM   
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I don't really understand rules related to Vichy creation and ships being overrun, but game tells me where to rebase them. There is no choice at all

There is a choice. And this is when there are several ports that are the same number of sea areas away. Germany can then steer the ships toward Vichy ports in some cases. Often when the program tells what port is closest there are alternatives allowed.

Edit: And if Allies is in control it is the same thing. The program tells what the closest port is, but one doesn't always have to select this port.

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