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Korean units? - 6/12/2003 7:09:54 PM

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Were there any "all" Korean units that fought for the Japanese? If so are they going to be reperented in the game?
IIRC that the IJA used Korean guards for POW camps, and by all accounts they were even more brutal than the Japanese.

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- 6/18/2003 8:41:36 AM

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This is a shameless bump.....is there anyone out there who has any info on this????

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- 6/18/2003 8:52:18 AM

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You know, stud, I think you been hangin' from the planet upside down for so long the blood's rushin' to your head. With all the trouble the designers are having just making this thing work at all, how much attention do you think they've been able to pay to Korean units (and the Indian National Army, for that matter).

Next thing you know, there'll be a thread wondering if the 669th Comfort Women Battalion will be represented, and whether they will give any kind of a support point bonus to Japanese engineer units within a prescribed range of a headquarters unit whose commander has a d1ck hickey. Or whether the 512th Mess Kit Repair Regiment is air transportable due to the size of its forking equipment.

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- 6/18/2003 9:07:57 AM

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At that time Korea was a colony of Japan.

In the 1936 olympics a Korean won a gold medal.

To this day, the record show that it was won by Japan.

f there were any Korean units, they would have Japanese equipment, be recorded as Japanese units and the allied soldiers could not tell the difference anyway.

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- 6/18/2003 5:24:02 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by pasternakski
[B]You know, stud, I think you been hangin' from the planet upside down for so long the blood's rushin' to your head. [/B][/QUOTE]

And what exactly makes you so bloody sure that it is not YOUR half of the world that is on the top? For all the sh1t that comes out of your part of the world one would swear that you are at the bottom. :D ;) :p :D

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- 6/18/2003 7:28:52 PM

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[B]And what exactly makes you so bloody sure that it is not YOUR half of the world that is on the top? For all the sh1t that comes out of your part of the world one would swear that you are at the bottom. [/B]

That's a good point, the only reason we think of North as up is because early astronomers/geographers whose works have lasted were European and they drew their maps that way.
North has been arbitrarily annointed as 'up' and it could just as easily have been any other location on the globe.

[B]With all the trouble the designers are having just making this thing work at all, how much attention do you think they've been able to pay to Korean units (and the Indian National Army, for that matter).[/B]

You'd actually be surprised by how conscientious the designers are...they added something like a week of work to their work loads when someone pointed out that the Canadians weren't listed as an independent country/command and should be. It would have been much easier for them to just lump them in with the British but they want to be accurate.

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- 6/18/2003 9:26:53 PM

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Posted by Snigbert
[QUOTE]You'd actually be surprised by how conscientious the designers are...they added something like a week of work to their work loads when someone pointed out that the Canadians weren't listed as an independent country/command and should be. It would have been much easier for them to just lump them in with the British but they want to be accurate.[/QUOTE]

And Ron Sourcracker would've done a dummy spit if it wasn't fixed.

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- 6/18/2003 10:50:47 PM

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We prefer being the "Down under" half of the globe - trust me. If we weren't and north was south and vice versa, Tasmania would be on top of Oz and that would just freak people out.

Although as far as early or late astronomers go, the northern hemisphere's night sky just doesn't come CLOSE to the amount of stuff we have packed over our heads in the southern hemisphere night sky. Stars are a whole lot more sparse up there - when travelling you really do miss the milky way and the really obvious ones, saucepan, southern cross etc. All the north really has that is bright and clear is the north star.

I've always known that water goes down the drain/toilet anticlockwise in the northern hemisphere, and clockwise in the southern (could be backwards, but you get my drift).

So what happens when you flush the toilet while crossing the equator???!!! Does the water halt mid flush and oscillate in the opposite direction? Or does this shatter the ever fragile and often referred to space time continuum, resulting in the ship/plane warping to another dimension (which may explain all those missing ships and planes south of Bermuda - although they'd have to be a bit further south than the triangle to hit the equator?).

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- 6/18/2003 11:48:05 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Raverdave
[B]And what exactly makes you so bloody sure that it is not YOUR half of the world that is on the top? For all the sh1t that comes out of your part of the world one would swear that you are at the bottom. :D ;) :p :D [/B][/QUOTE]

We're sure because we know which end is up.

You're right, we sh1t a lot from up here, which places you rather correctly in the commode where you belong - on the receiving end.

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- 6/19/2003 12:43:50 AM

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[B]Although as far as early or late astronomers go, the northern hemisphere's night sky just doesn't come CLOSE to the amount of stuff we have packed over our heads in the southern hemisphere night sky. Stars are a whole lot more sparse up there - when travelling you really do miss the milky way and the really obvious ones, saucepan, southern cross etc. All the north really has that is bright and clear is the north star.[/B]

I agree that Southern Skies are much nicer for an astronomer, but we do have a lot of clear, bright stars...Polaris, Acturus, Vega, Spica, Betelgeuse, Rigel, Sirius. We also can see the Milky Way up here, it's just in the southern sky so you can't see it from all locations.

If your sky is so great buy me a plane ticket to come visit you with my 8" Schmidt-Cassegrain :)

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- 6/19/2003 11:01:55 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Luskan
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I've always known that water goes down the drain/toilet anticlockwise in the northern hemisphere, and clockwise in the southern (could be backwards, but you get my drift).

So what happens when you flush the toilet while crossing the equator???!!! Does the water halt mid flush and oscillate in the opposite direction? Or does this shatter the ever fragile and often referred to space time continuum, resulting in the ship/plane warping to another dimension (which may explain all those missing ships and planes south of Bermuda - although they'd have to be a bit further south than the triangle to hit the equator?). [/B][/QUOTE]

Sorry but since I have a graduate degree in meteorology I can�t let this one go.

Coriolis force does not act on a scale that will modify drainage direction in a common toilet or sink. The direction is dictated by the design of the basin.

http://www.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html

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Magnetism & maps - 6/19/2003 2:21:29 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Snigbert
[B][B]And what exactly makes you so bloody sure that it is not YOUR half of the world that is on the top? For all the sh1t that comes out of your part of the world one would swear that you are at the bottom. [/B]

That's a good point, the only reason we think of North as up is because early astronomers/geographers whose works have lasted were European and they drew their maps that way.
North has been arbitrarily annointed as 'up' and it could just as easily have been any other location on the globe.

[/B][/QUOTE]

If you ignore the poles that is. Ptolomy & Eratosthenes were drawing maps with north facing up long before the Euros got into the act. The ancient Chinese were actually the first to develop magnets & the compass rose. :)

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- 6/19/2003 8:51:00 PM

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Yes, but the North and South Pole are just arbitrary points selected on the map. The Magnetic North pole isn't even the true north pole, it is about 40 miles away...so you can't say compasses determined where the poles would be positioned. The reason they are placed where they are is because the two points are on the axis the Earth spins on.

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- 6/19/2003 9:00:12 PM

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Coriolis force eh? Learn something everyday!
Although I didn't spot any design differences in basins and toiled bowls between the hundred odd I've seen in Oz and the thirty odd I've seen in the US.

I once had a physics lecturer propose that since a slice of buttered bread will always land butter side down if you drop it, and if you drop a cat they always land on their feet, that we could strap a lot of buttered slices of bread to a whole bunch of cats and create a buttered-cat array that could be suitable for say, a light rail system, or hover craft.

He thought it was funnier than we did - but we only got half the joke. The joke was that he was being PAID to teach us this **** while at the same time we'd be paying our HECS for many years to come. No wonder the bastard was laughing!

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- 6/19/2003 9:07:16 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Snigbert
[B]Yes, but the North and South Pole are just arbitrary points selected on the map. The Magnetic North pole isn't even the true north pole, it is about 40 miles away...so you can't say compasses determined where the poles would be positioned. The reason they are placed where they are is because the two points are on the axis the Earth spins on. [/B][/QUOTE]

I believe magnetic north is located somewhere in the Canadian arctic.

This link will show you that it moves every year. http://www.geolab.nrcan.gc.ca/geomag/northpole_e.shtml

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- 6/20/2003 10:15:42 PM

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I understand the magnetic polarity of the earth shifts every ten thousand years or so...some enormous period of time. So at some point your compasses will all point south.

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- 6/28/2003 1:55:32 AM

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Question related to the up and down debate :

it's common for world maps to be centered on the edition country (European world maps on Europe, AMerican on USA, Chinese on China, Russia on Moscou and so on... gives an interesting sight of the world from another point of view).

And in most maps from the North, the northern hemisphere is 66% of the surface while the southern is only 33% due to the choosen model of projection.

Wonder if this is different in Oz, NZ, SA or South America.

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- 6/28/2003 8:43:55 AM

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The world stretches all the way from perth to sydney, tassie to cape york. None of this earth is round bullshit.

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Re: Korean units? - 6/28/2003 10:14:24 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Raverdave
[B]Were there any "all" Korean units that fought for the Japanese? If so are they going to be reperented in the game?
IIRC that the IJA used Korean guards for POW camps, and by all accounts they were even more brutal than the Japanese. [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually a fairly important question since it would effect support unit combat/defense ratings, supply requirements, and effectiveness (in their primary function).

A great number of the Japanese auxilliary units were composed (or largely) of Koreans (and other conquered nationalities). Construction units...harbor units...stevedores ect.

However, IIRC, a majority of IJA MOS's (job specialties) were non-combatant support jobs. Construction units...harbor units...stevedores ect. These forward IJA support units, since they were manned by actual soldiers, would have much different ratings than the units mostly composed of foreign "slave labor".

The ratings/effectiveness of these support units will/should play a MAJOR role in game play. As one example, a competent stevedore work crew could unload a ship approx. 6x faster than unskilled/unmotivated labor...not to mention loading ships much faster and more efficiently. And this, believe it or not, played a major role in how the war played out historically.

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