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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/3/2019 5:39:32 PM   
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Okay I've gone back to the last save and made the attacks in a different order so the PARA is not the last attack - and that seems to have worked.

Air Rebase:
Germany

1. An He-100 moves north of Cologne
2. A Bf-109E4 moves to Cologne.

HQ Reorganisation: None


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 11:12:59 AM   
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No DoW or alignments.

Naval: CW
Land: China
Combined: The rest.

French TRANS sails from Marseilles to Cape Verde 0-box and loads Dakar MIL.

CW - TRANS takes London Mil from Plymouth to Gib'. Queens sail from Suez to Mozambique Channel 0-box and load Cape Town MIL. TRANS from Algiers sails to West Med 3-box and loads Nigerian TERR from Gib'. It is joined by a a task force of 5 BB and 2 CA from Gib'. CA Newcastle loads the 2nd INF Div from Algiers. The RN CV battle-group (3 CV accompanied by 2 BB and 2 CA) leaves Gib' for the West Med 4-box. CV Courageous sails from Liverpool to North Sea 3-box, accompanied by CA. It is joined by 3 BB and 1 CA from Plymouth. 2 subs leave Malta for Italian Coast 3-box. Various escorts are sent out.



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 12:32:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		US - Swaps CV's Wasp and Ranger from East to West coast and vice versa. CA sails from San Diego to Marshalls 2-box and loads INF Div from Midway.

No air missions.

French rail Marseilles MIL to Paris.

Just the one move by the Communist CAV Div in Northern China.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 12:49:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just a couple of moves by Peking MIL moving from Nanning to Kweilin and 8th INF 1 hex NW from Chihkiang in Southern China.

The French move MECH Div from Paris to Reims.

US disembark INF Div to Wake Is.

No combat, rebases or reorgs

Weather remains mostly fine.





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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 1:53:01 PM   
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Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Combined

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None
Naval Movement: None

Strategic Bombardment: None
Ground Strike:
Germany

1 and 2. A Ju-88A1 and an He-111 fly to Lodz
3. A He-111H attempts to disrupt Yugoslav defences west of Zagreb

The attack on Lodz went well, but the attack in the Yugoslav mountains less so.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 1:59:39 PM   
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Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Japan

The Japanese attempt to react to the Communist movement in the north. Yamamoto pulls back to the south.

Italy

The Julia Division moves northwards in Albania

Germany

The Germans make some detail changes in the west.

Land Combat:
Japan

The Northern Area Army plan an attack against a Chinese Communist Division in the mountains southwest of Taiyuan.

Germany

The German armies in Poland shape up for an attack on Lodz.

No aircraft are called upon leaving the odds as follows (no modifiers in China):

What combat table do the Allies choose for each?

Edit: AllenK doesn't appear to be on line so in the interests of moving the game along I am going to choose what I think appropriate. I don't think there is a retreat path from Lodz so that will be Assault. Also I think the opportunity to flip the Japanese units and possibly be in a position to counter is too good an opportunity to pass up - so I think he would go for Assault. We can always change if that would not have been the case.

Edit2: Seen the post from AllenK so have re-done on Blitz




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 2:36:16 PM   
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Land Combat: (cont)
Germany

The fractionals throw fails (916) and the throw against Lodz was a 1(3). The Poles lose their black print unit and all Germans are disorganised.

Japan

I re-did the throw against the Communist (a 6 was throw) and this proved to be the same result for a Blitz as an Assault



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 2:37:06 PM   
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Edit: Not to worry. The dice have been rolled.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 2:41:59 PM   
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Air Rebase:
Japan

1. A KI-51 heads north to support Umezu

Germany

1. An Me-110C moves south of Magdeburg

HQ Reorganisation:
Germany

von Leeb reorganises a Heinkel bomber
von Bock reorganises three infantry/militia corps

Japan

Terauchi reorganises an infantry and a mechanised unit

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 3:54:22 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 3:56:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Concerned about increasing signs of Italian readiness for war, the Allies decide to take some preemptive action. CW and France declare war on Italy.

The reaction in the US is muted (9 rolled, 1 chit removed).

Where would Italy like to place the reserves?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 4:10:13 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 4:42:58 PM   
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Combined: The rest.

The RN launch a maximum effort strike against La Spezia. Even the Gladiators are loaded with bombs to see what they can do. With enemy agents on the Spanish coast having reported half the RN leaving Gib and heading east, the Italians aren't caught entirely unawares (2 rolled on the surprise calc, giving 7 points).

Despite being surprised the Italian AA gunners put up a fearsome effort. Many of the attacking Swordfish are shot out of the sky, while others drop their torps wildly (8 rolled, 1 CVP destroyed and 3 points reduced from the survivors).



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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 6:15:53 PM   
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This is what the Allies thought WW II would be like!

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 6:25:30 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/9/2019 11:31:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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warspite1

Question. Why wasn't there a -1 Terrain and City modifier to the Lodz throw. Shouldn't the modifier have been +1 i.e. +2 for two Polish disorganised units and -1 for a 2-factory hex?


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 12:14:28 AM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 7:29:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: brian brian

Engineer in attack?
warspite1

Thank-you - yes the presence of an engineer appears to be the difference between this and the first two throws against Lodz. Sometimes the program tells one what the various modifiers are - and sometimes not. In this case not (it simply cancelled the Terrain & City modifier that it showed for the first two attacks rather than show a -1 for Terrain and City and a +1 for the Engineer).

From RAC: Engineers provide +1 to the land combat die roll (see 11.16.5) when attacking a 2 or 3 factory stack city.

It would have been noticeable had the Germans lost a unit because the Engineer would have been the casualty.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 11:36:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Almost immediately after committing myself to the AA roll, I realised I should have spent a couple of points to at least give a second chance of a lower roll. Oh well ...

All surprise points go to increase damage, giving X, 2D, 3A.

Several well aimed torpedoes strike the Littorio, penetrating the hull causing massive flooding. She rapidly sinks to the bottom. Fortunately for the Italians the waters of the harbour are shallow and save her from total loss.

Where would the Italians like to place the D and the 2 A's?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 11:50:04 AM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 12:07:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Italian transport shipping takes damage in the second wave. The BB Conte Di Cavour will be out of action for a few weeks, 2 CA's take minor damage, easily repairable and not affecting their battle-worthiness.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 12:16:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Despite being surprised the Italian AA gunners put up a fearsome effort. Many of the attacking Swordfish are shot out of the sky, while others drop their torps wildly (8 rolled, 1 CVP destroyed and 3 points reduced from the survivors).

warspite1

Can you clarify what this means please? CVP is this a carrier plane? If so which one? Were any pilots killed?

Many thanks


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 12:36:46 PM   
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CA Newcastle, with INF Div sails to Berbera (British Somaliland). An empty Glorious returns to Gib.

French subs go to Italian Coast 4-box and West Med 3-box.

US sends TRANS from Pearl to West Coast 0-box and picks up INF from San Diego.

RN subs search for Italian convoys in the Italian Coast but are unsuccessful (searches Allies 7, Axis 4).

Glasgow MIL rails to Plymouth.

Peking MIL reaches Kweilin.

CW move INF from Agra to join the MIL facing off the partisan in the woods to the south.

INF from Southampton to Liverpool.

Nigerian TERR debarks to Malta.

No combats

French rebase the LND one hex SE.

US rebases PBY's from West coast to Pearl. Hudsons fly from Hawaii to Midway.

Weather stays the same.






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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 12:38:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

Despite being surprised the Italian AA gunners put up a fearsome effort. Many of the attacking Swordfish are shot out of the sky, while others drop their torps wildly (8 rolled, 1 CVP destroyed and 3 points reduced from the survivors).

warspite1

Can you clarify what this means please? CVP is this a carrier plane? If so which one? Were any pilots killed?

Many thanks



Yes, CVP is carrier plane. I destroyed one of the 2 factor Swordfish. Pilots are killed.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 1:21:44 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 5:15:35 PM   
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Germany declares war on Belgium. Congress is alarmed at the news (throw 4) and a chit is added to the pool. There are no other declarations of war or alignments.

Does France or the CW align Belgium?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 5:20:00 PM   
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Give us a couple of minutes and I'll let you know the set-up.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 5:26:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		CAV to Liege. 2 INF and 2 CP to Antwerp. FTR to hex west of Antwerp, TERR to the port (Boma) thanks.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 5:40:29 PM   
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Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Land

Port Strike: None
Naval Air: None

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike:
Germany

1. A Hs-123 flies to Antwerp
2. A He-111H flies to the mountains west of Zagreb

Japan

1. A Ki-30 flies to Changsha

The results of the Ground Strikes were as follows:

(Note I input a 3 for the second strike on Antwerp incorrectly and this should have been 1 - no matter as the 2 x 2 rolls worked even without the 1.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 2/10/2019 6:03:58 PM   
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Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Japan

The Japanese move units in both the Northern and Southern Area Army areas. Changsha remains the target in the south.

Germany

The Germans move up to the Belgian frontier.

Italy

The Julia Division marches into Yugoslavia.

Land Combat:
Germany

There are three attacks announced; Antwerp, Liege and Lodz.

One aircraft is ordered to fly to Lodz.

That leaves three attacks as follows:




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