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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/16/2019 9:37:46 PM   
Neogodhobo


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NORTHERN FRONT Turn 10-13


Battle of Leningrad














NORTHERN FRONT










CENTRAL FRONT

BATTLE OF SMOLENSK



CENTRAL FRONT














SOUTHERN FRONT (Keep in mind, sometime I confused Southern with Northern in writing, dont know why, but if you see anything about NORTH, in these pictures, change it to South in your mind )
















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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/17/2019 8:16:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		NORTHERN FRONT turn 14-16 and I also forgot to take many images for turn 16 so sorry about that









Battle of Leningrad






(Later told me it was to escape the risk of encirclement)



BATTLE OF LENINGRAD DURING THE 15TH TURN:













16th TURN




CENTRAL FRONT Turn 14-16 (Although, I forgot to take tons of pictures for the last turn so sorry about that)




BATTLE OF VYAZMA (start turn 14)










SOUTHERN FRONT (Forgot the last turn again, sorry)

















And as you can see in the picture ( a little) , the Soviets did encricle two of my Pz.Div. I rescue them and made even more progress down South.



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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/18/2019 3:15:00 AM   
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+1 Attack
Reduced Blizzard
Full FoW except movement
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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/18/2019 6:31:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		nice hole in the front near voronesh. maybe he gives up his fortified positions and retreats. good luck.

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/18/2019 11:55:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		So I have to apologize because I forgot turn 18 in its entirety. My bad. And also I missed turn 21 on some. But hum..yeah deal with it I guess. Cant do much more
Northern Front Turn 17-22 (minus 18)














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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/18/2019 11:58:00 PM   
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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/19/2019 12:04:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		South Turn 17-22 (without 18)



BATTLE OF KURSK














Southern Front

(Not Central as written, but Southern )












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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/19/2019 1:43:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		The horror....I think Manstein just turned over in his grave..... 😜

On a separate note, those might be the most perfectly color coordinated lines I’ve ever seen for the Germans. When I play Germans at this point in the game I basically have no lines and it looks more like a spilled bag of skittles......

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/19/2019 5:04:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah Manstein is definitly turning in his grave haha. And I do like a proper front line.

Hopefully the winter wont be so bad but with reduced blizzard and Soviet +1, I can only hope for the worst. My south is looking bad with all the Axis Minors holding it by themselves ( at the very southern sector). Hopefully my German divisions I am sending there will arrive in time.

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/19/2019 5:36:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dear lord! I haven't seen the Soviets on that side of the Dnieper in a long time. You good sir have given us a very interesting winter to watch. Your reports are top notch might I add, and are very enjoyable to read. It appears that with the line so far west in the South, the Soviets might attempt to capitulate Romania by capturing a town on their side of the border. That is what I would do anyways. In fact, I would make it my entire Blizzard focus because it gives me counters and takes them away from the Axis. I'm not sure what would happen to the new Soviet-Romanian units if the Axis took Romania back during the Spring.

Keep holding on though. I remember reading an AAR from a few years back that was in a worse position than you, that still got to Gorky in 44. Of course, he pocketed almost 2 million Red Army soldiers in the Pripyat Marches during 42...

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/19/2019 5:56:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I fear he will try to take the Romanians out as well. This is why Im shipping so many of my Pz.Gr down south ( not the tank divisions, but the Mot./Inf). Leningrad is going well though, just captured another suburb this morning ( in the soon coming AAR).

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/20/2019 12:09:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh wow that is a total disaster in the south. I really don't know why you did what you did. It wasn't a risk worth taking seeing how you didn't even pocket any units. Also I notice that you are attacking head on in many instances and I don't understand the reasoning for that. You will bleed the Wehrmacht dry this way and will not cause any damage to the Soviet war machine. The units in the north must be in terrible shape by now seeing how they are constantly attacking the Soviets with the goal of routing them. Why though? I don't know why you deployed PzGr 3 south of Lake Ilmen. The terrain there is bad even for infantry seeing how it is all swamps, river crossings and hills, so why deploy a PzGr there when you could have concentrated them further north to help you pocket some Soviets?

Hopefully you can use the snow to fix your line. Good report though!

You should always try to mix the Axis minors with your units so that they are never holding long stretches of the front on their own. That is basically gifting the Soviets Stalingrad style operations. Try to either stack the Minors with your forces or go for such line ups:

Ger Corps, Rum Corps, German Corps. German Corps, Rum Corps etc. That way even if they break you won't be facing a disaster.

Btw how are the losses looking like? And the air war?

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/20/2019 1:47:14 AM   
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Oh wow that is a total disaster in the south. I really don't know why you did what you did. It wasn't a risk worth taking seeing how you didn't even pocket any units. Also I notice that you are attacking head on in many instances and I don't understand the reasoning for that. You will bleed the Wehrmacht dry this way and will not cause any damage to the Soviet war machine. The units in the north must be in terrible shape by now seeing how they are constantly attacking the Soviets with the goal of routing them. Why though? I don't know why you deployed PzGr 3 south of Lake Ilmen. The terrain there is bad even for infantry seeing how it is all swamps, river crossings and hills, so why deploy a PzGr there when you could have concentrated them further north to help you pocket some Soviets?

Hopefully you can use the snow to fix your line. Good report though!

You should always try to mix the Axis minors with your units so that they are never holding long stretches of the front on their own. That is basically gifting the Soviets Stalingrad style operations. Try to either stack the Minors with your forces or go for such line ups:

Ger Corps, Rum Corps, German Corps. German Corps, Rum Corps etc. That way even if they break you won't be facing a disaster.

Btw how are the losses looking like? And the air war?


Take a look at the 8MP AAR. You will see that during the blizzard and snow turns I amassed attacks for the sole purpose of routing Soviet units ..it has three effects.1) morale 2) during the logistics phase additional losses are taken sometimes greater than the battle losses 3) these are units that will be unready for awhile ..

I particularly target Soviet armor units.. but also in Operation Pegasus found much profit in routing Cavalry:)


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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/20/2019 2:41:20 AM   
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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/20/2019 2:42:19 AM   
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Take a look at the 8MP AAR. You will see that during the blizzard and snow turns I amassed attacks for the sole purpose of routing Soviet units ..it has three effects.1) morale 2) during the logistics phase additional losses are taken sometimes greater than the battle losses 3) these are units that will be unready for awhile ..

I particularly target Soviet armor units.. but also in Operation Pegasus found much profit in routing Cavalry:)



I am well aware of the effects that routing has on a unit but that wasn't the point that I wanted to get through. The point was, why should the German player constantly attack Soviet units every week (and seek to rout them) when they have the chance to cut through their line and surround said forces?

Adding to that the fact that the summer campaign and blizzard operations are two different things. During the blizzard I also try to attack weakened Soviet forces and rout them, however doing so in summer is a waste of men, guns, time and everything else for very little gain.

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/20/2019 2:55:13 AM   
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I wish I did even a tenth as decently on my first shot at things!

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/20/2019 3:05:15 AM   
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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/20/2019 3:16:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		You be the judge, there is 9 divisions that I rotate to attack Leningrad, those are three of them and they are all pretty much the same:


Im not sure what else I could have done around Leningrad other than pushing for it. The goal was Leningrad, and Soviet infantry was housed right in it. I came knocking on his door."Let me in" I said. "Not by the steel of my shiny tank tank" the answer was. So I decided I would Huff, and puff, until their house blew away. And it did, almost. And by the same time , their units were routing so that was a nice bonus. Deploying Pz.Gr 3 there ,as explained in my AAR was a distraction to lure in more of their troops. Maybe I wont do that again in my next games but I wont be a pro by tomorrow. Let me have my mistakes that I can learn from.


As far as the Kharkov pocket, I did that for the reason I wrote in the AAR; completely forgot about mud turn. Had I knew, I wouldnt have planned for a big tank push and brought forward the other Pz.Gr. I will definitly not rely too much on the Minors even in 41. I figured I could count on them for 41.

The losses so far :





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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/20/2019 11:39:21 AM   
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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/20/2019 1:21:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		@Neogodhobo: Thanks for posting the stats. Good luck during the winter!

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/21/2019 7:27:33 AM   
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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/21/2019 4:47:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alright so winter really took a toll on me and you will notice it in the AAR. I will post a really bland post, mainly, you will notice the vague progress of the enemy and whatnot. There wont be much written. So I guess thats that. Overall though, the enemy is doing good progress, he is trying to pocket my troops in the South and probably cause even more chaos than it is already. He has definitly spot my weakest point and he is trying to take advantage of it. I am frantically trying to bring good troops down there to save as much as I can. My Pz.Gr are a mess, HQs and Divisions are so mixed up, I had to reorganize a lot of divisions to random HQs. It will be a lot of work to re-organize everything this coming summer. In my last turn, December is almost over ( its the last turn of December). So things should go a bit better from now on. I am able to rout enemy units in some parts of the front. I just attacked a 3 stack Soviet position in the North and was able to rout them ( Yippie ). Before winter, I concentrated a lot on smashing is cavalry divisions and I think I might have routed some ? (Im not sure as it was a while ago) but either way, I am not seeing a lot of Cav in action. Iv seen one or two divisions in the South. And maybe 1 in the Center. He his bringing forwards lots of Tank divisions and Mot. Div. wich wont go far. Historically, the winter was just as bad for the Soviets than for the Germans as we now learned with recent documents being made public on the soviet side ( or so says Glantz, and I believe him). So facing those tanks divisions is not something I am particularly afraid of. in my last turn ( turn 28) I have defeated one of his spearhead cav division, it was a division alone and I smash trough it with a Panzer Div and Mot.Div. I had brought forward in emergency ( as Im trying NOT to use any of my Pz.Div.

The Pz.Div. are trying to retreat by trains in cities in the rear but the need for me to bring reinforcement to the South, and my rail lines going there are long ( I have to go trough Warsaw almost ) is taking most of my rail points. Nonetheless, reinforcement arrives at a steady rate in the south and resistance is being made possible. Partisans are starting to appear in the North and are being really annoying but...what can I do..Oh yeah, KILL THEM ALL AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR VILLAGES !! I will show them what it means to go against our regime. It was announced yesterday that every partisan attacks would result in 10 randomly chosen male age 16 to 45 to be hung by a tree. Hopefully this will let the population know not to anger us (Although, keep in mind, this is just for the sake of writing. My wife's Grandfather actually battled the Nazis in partisan groups in Hungary while taking care of his wife and child ( her father) so dont think for a second that I support Nazis or their ideologies, thanks) ( Historically, this is what the German thought, in reality, it did the contrary, more people went up in arms against the Nazi Regime as their brutal and cold occupation could be felt everywhere. Even the sectors in the North who were pro-German and who welcomed the Germans at first, eventually went to fear the Germans and to fight them.) Nonetheless, I hope you all enjoy the pictures that are coming ...



We will start with Frontline pictures to get an overall look. Iv left out the info bar so you can make up the turn yourselves but the whole thing goes from turn 19 to 28 in most place of the frontline

turn 19

turn23

turn 26

turn 28




What I think is cool from my armor being eliminated is that one of the Pz.Div is resupplying with Soviet equipment. Here I have an armor division filled with T-34s, BT-7s, BA-20s. I will use this Division to smash into something important, with the enemy's own weapon...niark niark niark.



BATTLE OF LENINGRAD and NORTHERN FRONT / TURN 23-28

















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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/21/2019 4:50:42 PM   
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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/21/2019 4:57:54 PM   
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turn 28 kursk area



















Various successful battles in the South on turn 28

















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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/21/2019 4:59:35 PM   
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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/21/2019 5:05:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

Sorry again guys for this AAR to be a little bland.


HuH? Far from bland in my opinion. Doing a terrific job and much better than I ever could do. Keep up the good work! :)

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/22/2019 12:01:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well Folks, there was another pocket in the South. A massive one. 11 infantry divisions and 1 Mot. along with 3 HQ. Im not sure Im going to recover from that.

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/22/2019 12:22:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Worry not though. The German army might have failed more than what it historically achieve, true. We may have lost more men then they did. We may have done serious mistakes. But as long as we hold Berlin, there is hope. As long as our soldiers are out there in the field, willing to fight, there is hope. As long as our women and seniors are out there in the factories, building essential tools for the frontline, there is hope ! As long as our spirit, dedication, and OUR GODDAMN RIGHT TO DEMAND FOR LEBENSRAUM is alive, as long as THE FIRES OF OUR MIND, THE HEARTBEATS OF OUR INTERNALS, are lightning and beating. THERE SHALL BE HOPE !!

There is no way the German army will cower before Berlin is taken. That, is my word of honor !

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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/22/2019 2:38:34 PM   
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RE: Neogodhobo VS TheLysander AAR - 2/22/2019 2:40:50 PM   
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