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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 7:14:59 AM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		Thanks Send in the Hampden, Blenheim and Whitley’s escorted by the 3 land based fighters, thanks.

Whitley as front bomber.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 9:11:39 AM   
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The German also bring in 3 fighters and the forces line up:

Allied: 11 (DC) - The German player decides which Axis bomber to clear through and picks the Ju-88A1
Axis: 15 (AA) - The German player decides to abort the front fighter or bomber. The Spitfire is chosen

Where do the CW want this to land? Shall we say "from whence it came" for the whole game - unless otherwise specified going forward?

Edit: I can't see AllenK on the forum so in the interests of moving the game along I will return from whence it came. That hex is in no danger of being overrun - or even attacked - this turn so there is no danger for the CW in doing so.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 9:34:26 AM   
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Air to Air Combat:

Possible Round 2: The combat odds have moved significantly so I can't make any further decisions.

What do the CW want to do?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 11:30:52 AM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 12:09:27 PM   
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Air to Air Combat: Round 2

Allied 13 (AC) - The CW decide which Axis bomber to clear through. There is no real difference in quality so I put through the one with slightly less good factors (does not affect this land battle)
Axis: 11 (DC) - The CW decide which of its bombers to clear through. I chose the Hampden as it has better Strat factors (no difference to this battle from the Belenheim)




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 12:16:04 PM   
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Air to Air Combat: Round 3

Allied: 5 (AA) The CW decides whether to abort the Axis front fighter or bomber.
Axis: 20 (AXPX) The Germans have to decide whether to destroy the front fighter or bomber. The pilot is killed. I destroy the Hurricane.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 12:38:42 PM   
AllenK


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 12:53:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you want to abort the Axis front fighter or bomber?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 1:14:40 PM   
AllenK


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 1:23:45 PM   
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Air to Air Combat: Round 4

Allied: 7 (DA) The Germans have to decide whether to abort their front fighter or bomber. I abort the fighter
Axis: 14 (AA) The Germans decide whether to abort the CW fighter or bomber. I abort the fighter which returns from whence it came




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 1:24:16 PM   
AllenK


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 1:35:39 PM   
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Air to Air Combat: Possible Round 5?

Axis stay, what about the Allies?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 1:37:43 PM   
AllenK


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 1:44:28 PM   
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Land Combat:

So these were the factors added after all that.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 1:47:17 PM   
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Land Combat:
Germany

So the odds are 43.5:16 (2:1) +2

What table do the CW want to use?




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 1:48:13 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 1:54:58 PM   
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Land Combat:
Germany

The fractionals work (337 thrown) taking the odds to 3:1 and an 8(10) was thrown. The British lose both units.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 2:04:13 PM   
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Air Rebase:
Germany

1 and 2 A Bf-109C and Bf-110C head for Brussels

Japan

1. A Ki-27 joins Terauchi southwest of Hengyang

HQ Reorganisation: None

Turn ends on less than 6 (a 5 is thrown and the turn ends)

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 2:20:35 PM   
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Impulse: End of Turn (Axis)

Neutrality Pact
The Germans will have one marker for each

Production Planning:
Germany
4 x Oil from USSR/Romania (all saved in Vienna)
1 x Oil from Austria (to production)
1 x Oil from Germany (to Italy as part of existing trade agreement).
18 Build Points (less 2 to USSR and 2 to Italy as part of existing trade agreement) = 14 Build Points.

Italy
1 x Oil from Romania (saved in Milan)
1 x Oil from Germany (to production)
4 Build Points (plus 2 from Germany as part of existing trade agreement) = 6 Build Points.

Japan
2 x Oil from USA and NEI (saved in Tokyo and Hiroshima)
2 x Oil from USA and NEI (to production)
14 Build Points

Stay At Sea: None (except convoys)
Return to Base:
Germany

He115C to Trieste

Italy

Z501 to La Spezia

Oil Reorganisation:
Japan

Val NAV and Motorised Corps for 0.4 (no Oil expended)

Germany

All units except the CONV and the Submarine for 3.4 (3 Oil expended all from Prague)

Italy

All units for 1.15 (1 Oil expended)

Breakdown:
Germany

Breakdown the 5-3 Infantry Corps west of Trieste and replace with 1-4 INF and 2-5 Mot Divisions.

Production:
Germany

During this phase scrap the He-111B
1 x LND (2)
2 x PIL
1 x ARM HQ

Italy

During this phase scrap the 3-strength CR-32bis
1 x FTR
1 x PIL
1 x MIL
1 x
Japan

Yamato
Kinugasa
1 x INF
1 x MIL
1 x SUB
1 x CARR AIR (1)
1 x CONV

Reinforcement:
Germany

Ju-87D in Aachen
Ju-87D in Cologne (6-quality)
INF DIV in Cologne

Italy

SUB in La Spezia
CR32 in La Spezia

Japan

ART in Fukuoka
Atago in Fukuoka
SUB in Fukuoka

I don't believe I have any ability to re-roll but if that is wrong then please re-roll if required. I will go first if I get the opportunity to do so.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 3:15:51 PM   
AllenK


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USSR puts its marker to defence and moves a marker from offence to defence.

US puts its chit in the Ja pool. No entry actions are chosen.


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 3:47:56 PM   
AllenK


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Status: offline 		CW and France keep various escorts plus the subs in the Italian Coast at sea.

Oil Use

CW reorgs all for 3.25 points (oil spent from Rangoon and Port of Spain).

France reorgs all for 1.25 using an oil from St Nazaire.

USSR reorgs Zhukov for 1 oil point.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 4:01:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		AllenK - orders now finalised. CARE: I had trouble with the Oil that was sent to Italy and Japan. When I got to production each country had one build point less even though in each case this was marked as for production. Let me know if you have any issues.

EDIT: I don't know if this from RAC has anything to do with it but RAC states "Resource points and build points become owned by the receiving major power during the production phase". Could this mean that Oil sent in a trade agreement has to be used as Oil?

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 4:40:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

AllenK - orders now finalised. CARE: I had trouble with the Oil that was sent to Italy and Japan. When I got to production each country had one build point less even though in each case this was marked as for production. Let me know if you have any issues.

EDIT: I don't know if this from RAC has anything to do with it but RAC states "Resource points and build points become owned by the receiving major power during the production phase". Could this mean that Oil sent in a trade agreement has to be used as Oil?

The other way around. Oil sent as a trade agreement can be used for production or saved, but can not be used to reorganize units. Indeed, even oil received from a cooperating major power could not be used for reorganization, because if it were used for reorganization, it doesn't exist during the production step, and could not be traded; some other oil point must be traded in its place, if another oil point that can be traded exists.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 4:43:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

AllenK - orders now finalised. CARE: I had trouble with the Oil that was sent to Italy and Japan. When I got to production each country had one build point less even though in each case this was marked as for production. Let me know if you have any issues.

EDIT: I don't know if this from RAC has anything to do with it but RAC states "Resource points and build points become owned by the receiving major power during the production phase". Could this mean that Oil sent in a trade agreement has to be used as Oil?

The other way around. Oil sent as a trade agreement can be used for production or saved, but can not be used to reorganize units. Indeed, even oil received from a cooperating major power could not be used for reorganization, because if it were used for reorganization, it doesn't exist during the production step, and could not be traded; some other oil point must be traded in its place, if another oil point that can be traded exists.
warspite1

Thanks - might be a bug then....


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 5:02:43 PM   
brian brian

 

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My Japanese routinely forget that one.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 5:10:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: brian brian

Japan might still be sending a BP to USA?

My Japanese routinely forget that one.
warspite1

But the planning document makes clear that the Italians have 6 BP and Japan 14 BP. Only when it gets to Production do those points disappear.

Let's see if AllenK can sort it.

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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 7:23:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had problems with the traded oil sent to Japan. The game kept overwriting my (Warspite1's) orders, resulting in less BP's than should have been available. I got around it after much trial and error by saving the two US oils and sending the two NEI oils to production. Net effect was the same as ordered.

CW scraps the Hurricane 1.

Production

China 3
INF Div
CAV Div

CW 13
FTR-2 x3
Pilot x2
MIL
CP

France 12
INF
MTN
FTR-2
AT gun

USA 10
AMPH 2nd
CVP-1
Pilot
INF
Sub

USSR 13
FTR-2
Pilot
INF x2
MECH Div

Belgium is conquered and the government relocates to the Congo. German forces capture the partially completed cruiser Artevelde. Warspite1 appears to be offline, so I assign the CA to Germany.

Reinforcements

China places an INF in Kweiyang.

CW puts a pilot in the land based Gladiators and sends them to Cardiff. CA goes to Plymouth and MIL to Bombay. There appears to be a bug as the game says the Batavia MIL can't be deployed despite the hex being empty and Dutch controlled.

France puts a GARR in Paris and FTR to Rouen.

US assigns a pilot to F4F-3 and loads onto Bearne.

USSR assigns a pilot to I-17's and bases at Vitebsk. INF to Minsk. ARM to Kiev.

Italian CR.32 had to go to Genoa, rather than La Spezia.

Initiative: Axis 9, Allies 7. The Allies try a re-roll but with Axis 4 and Allies 2, the initiative remains with the Axis, who decide to go first.

The weather turns fine everywhere.




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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 7:28:17 PM   
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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 7:33:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Orm

Could we, please, see a picture of the front in Belgium? Now that Belgium has been conquered.
warspite1

When the game comes over and I'm doing my impulse I will post some screenshots.


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RE: Folly a deux: AllenK vs Warspite1 AAR - 3/3/2019 7:34:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Orm

Could we, please, see a picture of the front in Belgium? Now that Belgium has been conquered.


Here you go.




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