Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: jardail
The Ammo was the very first thing I checked, it was ful.

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ORIGINAL: jardail

Have a large surface combat TF that I have given orders to 5 times in 5 consecutive turns to attack enemy shipping at Tulagi.

They go there, fight and after beating the enemy ships, most of which are supply ships and most of which get sunk, at the beginning of the following turn the cruisers and destroyers are 10 hexes to the south heading back to Nuoema. Remain on station has switched back to Retirement allowed EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Is there a magic button somewhere that makes this stick? This seems to be quite common in any TF that does not have an Aircraft Carrier in it.

Any ideas?

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: jardail

Have a large surface combat TF that I have given orders to 5 times in 5 consecutive turns to attack enemy shipping at Tulagi.

They go there, fight and after beating the enemy ships, most of which are supply ships and most of which get sunk, at the beginning of the following turn the cruisers and destroyers are 10 hexes to the south heading back to Nuoema. Remain on station has switched back to Retirement allowed EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Is there a magic button somewhere that makes this stick? This seems to be quite common in any TF that does not have an Aircraft Carrier in it.

Any ideas?

This is WAD.

All Surface Combat TFs which engage in combat at their destination hex automatically return to their home port. The Remain on Station order does not apply in this situation. There is a reason why the option to patrol exists in the game and why the manual deals with the two orders. The two orders are mutually incompatible.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Dante Fierro
So what you're saying here is instead of ordering a TF to attack a given hex, you order it to patrol a hex, so as to avoid the automatic return to Home Port afterwards?

Odd.

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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

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ORIGINAL: jardail
The Ammo was the very first thing I checked, it was ful.

How did they battle and sink supply ships then?

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: jardail

Have a large surface combat TF that I have given orders to 5 times in 5 consecutive turns to attack enemy shipping at Tulagi.

They go there, fight and after beating the enemy ships, most of which are supply ships and most of which get sunk, at the beginning of the following turn the cruisers and destroyers are 10 hexes to the south heading back to Nuoema. Remain on station has switched back to Retirement allowed EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Is there a magic button somewhere that makes this stick? This seems to be quite common in any TF that does not have an Aircraft Carrier in it.

Any ideas?

This is WAD.

All Surface Combat TFs which engage in combat at their destination hex automatically return to their home port. The Remain on Station order does not apply in this situation. There is a reason why the option to patrol exists in the game and why the manual deals with the two orders. The two orders are mutually incompatible.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

...this is not really the behavior I see.

My SCTFs do not always retire after an engagement when sent somewhere with Remain On Station orders - it depends on the engagement. Basically - how much ammo they used, damage sustained, and so on. I wouldn't be surprised to see a SCTF retire in the example given, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see it stay at the target. Examples of cases where I would expect them to stay on target would be where the enemy TF escapes the combat early, or just a few enemy ships were present and were promptly sunk.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

...this is not really the behavior I see.

My SCTFs do not always retire after an engagement when sent somewhere with Remain On Station orders - it depends on the engagement. Basically - how much ammo they used, damage sustained, and so on. I wouldn't be surprised to see a SCTF retire in the example given, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see it stay at the target. Examples of cases where I would expect them to stay on target would be where the enemy TF escapes the combat early, or just a few enemy ships were present and were promptly sunk.

Lokasenna, do you recall if your TF was at the target hex or proceeded there after the engagements?

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

...this is not really the behavior I see.

My SCTFs do not always retire after an engagement when sent somewhere with Remain On Station orders - it depends on the engagement. Basically - how much ammo they used, damage sustained, and so on. I wouldn't be surprised to see a SCTF retire in the example given, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see it stay at the target. Examples of cases where I would expect them to stay on target would be where the enemy TF escapes the combat early, or just a few enemy ships were present and were promptly sunk.

Lokasenna, do you recall if your TF was at the target hex or proceeded there after the engagements?

Either/both. Almost certainly both. I keep copious notes of pertinent actions, but I've never noted when a SCTF has retired after a minor engagement (that would have gotten my attention).

Also of note - in recent turns, I've had a single IJN DD contacting my actual SCTFs and those TFs haven't been retiring. Literally 10+ engagements/contacts last turn, with SCTFs and amphib TFs, and none of my TFs retired whatsoever. They remained on station as ordered.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

...this is not really the behavior I see.

My SCTFs do not always retire after an engagement when sent somewhere with Remain On Station orders - it depends on the engagement. Basically - how much ammo they used, damage sustained, and so on. I wouldn't be surprised to see a SCTF retire in the example given, but I also wouldn't be surprised to see it stay at the target. Examples of cases where I would expect them to stay on target would be where the enemy TF escapes the combat early, or just a few enemy ships were present and were promptly sunk.

Lokasenna, do you recall if your TF was at the target hex or proceeded there after the engagements?

Either/both. Almost certainly both. I keep copious notes of pertinent actions, but I've never noted when a SCTF has retired after a minor engagement (that would have gotten my attention).

Also of note - in recent turns, I've had a single IJN DD contacting my actual SCTFs and those TFs haven't been retiring. Literally 10+ engagements/contacts last turn, with SCTFs and amphib TFs, and none of my TFs retired whatsoever. They remained on station as ordered.

When playing patch 1124 I frequently (perhaps always) had non-SCTFs RTB after the slightest contact with the enemy, even when it was my carrier TF bumping into some xAKs at night. By the end of the turn the TF was well on its way back to home base. Good TF commanders, good ship captains.
Setting waypoints just before target hex seemed to keep the ships going even after contact with the enemy.

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ORIGINAL: rtoolooze

"Not weighing anchor and steaming away just because some islander in a canoe threw a spear at them :P"


That made me laugh and choke on some coffee, but yes, I agree with you.

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I think if you give your commander a reaction range and more targets are sighted, he'll go after them (perhaps) regardless of the "remain on station" order. That is to say, he will not automatically order a retire to home port if there are other targets out there. Nonetheless, using patrol orders is in most cases the best plan.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I think if you give your commander a reaction range and more targets are sighted, he'll go after them (perhaps) regardless of the "remain on station" order. That is to say, he will not automatically order a retire to home port if there are other targets out there. Nonetheless, using patrol orders is in most cases the best plan.

Per Alfred's statements and in my experience reaction to intercept does not occur unless the TF is on patrol.

Having said that, Lokasenna just posted that he had a TF set to "Remain on Station" which reacted, and he is a very good observer/documenter of actual behavior of the game. I have no idea how this can be as I have not seen it in my games, but maybe the mod or patch he is playing differs from mine or there was some strange set of circumstances that brought it about.